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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by Oldbloke » 21 Jul 2022, 9:13 am

"You are posting the Ukrainian ministry of defence as the official figures. Ooookay then."
Yep, could be BS.

And any numbers that Pootin publishes will also be BS. But then, that can't be true, cause you love him, don't you.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 21 Jul 2022, 9:18 am

Oldbloke wrote:"You are posting the Ukrainian ministry of defence as the official figures. Ooookay then."
Yep, could be BS.

And any numbers that Pootin publishes will also be BS. But then, that can't be true, cause you love him, don't you.


I don't have much of an opinion of Putin but they haven't published any official numbers for a few months. Opinion of you :roll:
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 21 Jul 2022, 9:20 am

Oldbloke wrote:
cz515 wrote:Yes and our d**khead governments won't spend money on hospitals and roads and education in Australia... well for that matter on aged care looking after the old..... but we will spend hundreds of millions to send tin cans to Ukraine


Don't concern yourself. A few here think old people don't matter, just let them rot in bed. :sarcasm:


Nope just you.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by Oldbloke » 21 Jul 2022, 10:26 am

"I don't have much of an opinion of Putin but they haven't published any official numbers for a few months."

Funny that?

Oh, wait, no Russian casualties to report,, right?
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by womble » 21 Jul 2022, 3:47 pm

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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by womble » 21 Jul 2022, 4:33 pm

mchughcb wrote:You are posting the Ukrainian ministry of defence as the official figures. Ooookay then.
Must be amazing that with Russians 10 times the daily artillery strikes with longer missiles that they have significantly higher losses than the Ukrainians. Actually that doesn't make any sense.


It’s not targeted artillery. They just throw it out there as ordered to. They’re not aiming at anything.
Unfortunately this leaves a lot of unexploded bombs in arable land for years to come.

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Much of the time they are firing at their own units. They don’t have a clue what they’re doing really.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 21 Jul 2022, 7:16 pm

Well here's the entrenched dad's army dying in the trenches and the artillery are very accurate.

https://youtu.be/1sCGo-OYwYw
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by cz515 » 21 Jul 2022, 7:24 pm

Unexploded ordinance... is that another word for land mines womble.

Anyway what does it matter if Ukraine lost 10k, 20k or 50k...or for that matter whatever Russia lost. Not that its going to make a difference to our lives. Plus Russia started at 1m defence to 200k of Ukraine. Ukraine probably had 100k active fighting personnel.


Anyway straightshooter, you are 100% right. While we the public is paying double and triple for fuel, gas, food etc the people making the money from this war are the billionaires and the multinationals.

Already Germany has had enough, saying how they got no more weapons to give to Ukraine.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by Oldbloke » 21 Jul 2022, 7:45 pm

cz515 wrote:Unexploded ordinance... is that another word for land mines womble.
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Stuff that should have gone bang, but didn't.
Could be, land mines, artillery shells, missiles etc
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 21 Jul 2022, 8:49 pm

Germany says they can't give anymore. Boris is gone. Draghi is gone. Biden is a dead man walking.

Meanwhile Russia signs a 40 billion contract for gas with Iran. America has just lost is international policeman status. Looks like there are going to be more humans living on the USA/Euro sanction list than not, which means at some point it literally means nothing.

Winter is going to be a shocker for all the virtue signallers.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by wanneroo » 22 Jul 2022, 2:18 am

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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mickb » 22 Jul 2022, 10:11 am

Well as long as the worlds richest add another zero to their net worth Im happy. With all these lockdowns, work evictions, small businesses bought out. profiteering, price gouging, using trade sanctions against our own side, and general misery it would be dissappointing if someone wasnt seeing some good of out of it :lol:
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by cz515 » 22 Jul 2022, 10:37 am

Micb you are right covid was a big issue and still is.

But you cannot deny the following
Russia was the top5 largest producer of oil.
The largest supplier of gas to Europe.
One of the larger suppliers of fertiliser.

Ukraine was one of the largest exporter of wheat and other agricultural
Ukraine was also a large producer of specialised equipment needed in many primary industries.

So just the fact that at a time oil was already in high demand we drop off one of the larger suppliers of oil from the market. There is an old term supply vs demand (curve). Simply put less supply vs demand of a product the price will increase.

Now what do we use oil for, firstly transport of everything, generation of energy/electricity. Its also used in plastics and polymer, fertiliser etc etc etc. Now imagine the result of that, everything goes upin price
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by cz515 » 22 Jul 2022, 10:40 am

Oldbloke wrote:
cz515 wrote:Unexploded ordinance... is that another word for land mines womble.
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Stuff that should have gone bang, but didn't.
Could be, land mines, artillery shells, missiles etc


It was a sarcastic comment mate, but unexploded ordinance is live and hazardous to heath just like a land mine.

:shock: :crazy: :crazy: :lol:
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mickb » 22 Jul 2022, 10:50 am

CZ Í dont deny it mate, your are correct, but I only attribute a certain % to it. Here is what I saw jumped anywhere from 5% per month to 800% total in some cases pre-putins campaign.

International shipping
International Airfreight
Domestic transport.
Metals.
Resins( which form everything made of plastic in your life. The biggest jump for this were 2020-2021, not thanks to Putins effect on energy.
Textiles- which you wear and tarp your boat with
Meat
Cereals and Grains
Raw ingredients- bulk raw sugar, vinegar, salt, coffee, emulsifiers, agents, colors the total list would fill up the page
Industrial chemicals- list also too long
Manufactured parts- industrial, auto, long list again.
Silicon components- laptops almost doubled in price.

Anyone here if they were honest could fill this list out even further. Like gun components, who can forget certain distributors whacking a 17% hike just 4 months into covid. :shock:

The real point is not what calamity is currently doing the most damage its the fact the drivers for the pre-war inflation have not gone away. Too many price fixes got under the radar during the lockdowns and are now blamed on Putin too.

You know the saddest thing is once upon a time foreign wars and sanctions used to increase our standard of living :D
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 22 Jul 2022, 1:52 pm

Well lavrov has cracked it. More weapons flow in,the more eastward they are going to push.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by Oldbloke » 22 Jul 2022, 5:05 pm

cz515 wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
cz515 wrote:Unexploded ordinance... is that another word for land mines womble.
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Stuff that should have gone bang, but didn't.
Could be, land mines, artillery shells, missiles etc


It was a sarcastic comment mate, but unexploded ordinance is live and hazardous to heath just like a land mine.

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Welllll, that's what this is for. :sarcasm: :crazy: :wtf: :shock:
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 22 Jul 2022, 5:49 pm

Leaked polish intelligence report says Ukraine is losing 300 per day killed.

If that is the case then wounded and desertion is probably 2-3x that. US military estimates total rusdian and separatists at 15000. If you take out separatists then Russia has probably lost about 5000.

This rate of attrition will explain why no major counter offensive even after 5 months.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 22 Jul 2022, 9:12 pm

USA says they are going to give aging A10 warthogs. Well if they go against S400 they aren't going to last long.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by wanneroo » 22 Jul 2022, 11:01 pm

mchughcb wrote:USA says they are going to give aging A10 warthogs. Well if they go against S400 they aren't going to last long.


Doubtful it would happen and if it does, it's going to be at least a year to put everything in place, train people and pilots, etc.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by womble » 23 Jul 2022, 4:39 am

S400 couldn’t intercept your mother. Billion dollar heap of crap.
Most of the ammo and fuel depots in Donbas and south Ukraine have been destroyed in just 3 weeks.
S400 is a joke.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by womble » 23 Jul 2022, 4:41 am

Jew and Muslim “nazis” share the same trench.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 23 Jul 2022, 7:49 am

womble wrote:S400 couldn’t intercept your mother. Billion dollar heap of crap.
Most of the ammo and fuel depots in Donbas and south Ukraine have been destroyed in just 3 weeks.
S400 is a joke.


Just took out all 12 himars missiles fired at damn in kherson.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by womble » 23 Jul 2022, 3:35 pm

If the Russians don’t hold Kherson they will have achieved literally nothing. Once those 2 bridges are gone it’s a hopeless situation for them.
And Kherson is currently being turned into a testing ground for the latest military hardware the world has provided. It’s kinda disgusting and sickening. They should have got out while they had time.
Thousands have deserted but there’s still a lot of Russian soldiers in there just barely adults.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 23 Jul 2022, 3:43 pm

No counter offensive has yet worked. I'm not seeing anything to change that.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by womble » 23 Jul 2022, 3:47 pm

mchughcb wrote:No counter offensive has yet worked. I'm not seeing anything to change that.


Well they all have if you look at the land Russia occupied 3 months ago in grey compared to now in pink.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by Lazarus » 23 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm

One of Tzar Vladimir's biggest problems is he is using an army of soldiers who'd rather be anywhere else in the world to fight an army of soldiers who wouldn't be anywhere else for all the money in the world.

That's why they have returned to Russian Warfare 101, scorched earth carpet bombardment.

They did it in Grozny, when the Chechens kicked them in the plums, they did it in Syria for Assad.

They're doing it now with the same deliberate targeting of civilians that's always been integral to their strategy.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by womble » 23 Jul 2022, 5:52 pm

Brute force and expendable soldiers vs the nato playbook.
And Ukraine has done it by the book precisely. They let the enemy inside the gates. Cut off its supplies and let it wear itself out.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by mchughcb » 23 Jul 2022, 6:35 pm

Lazarus wrote:One of Tzar Vladimir's biggest problems is he is using an army of soldiers who'd rather be anywhere else in the world to fight an army of soldiers who wouldn't be anywhere else for all the money in the world.

That's why they have returned to Russian Warfare 101, scorched earth carpet bombardment.

They did it in Grozny, when the Chechens kicked them in the plums, they did it in Syria for Assad.

They're doing it now with the same deliberate targeting of civilians that's always been integral to their strategy.


They didn't do it in Crimea or Georgia.
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Re: When is,,, "enough is enough"

Post by womble » 23 Jul 2022, 8:31 pm

The Chechens seem likely to give it another crack now while Russia is weak.
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