Who puts 2 stroke oil in their Diesel?

[monbeg]

I don't use two stroke but I do use this in a 3 litre Isuzu engine.
http://www.flashlube.com/en/products/di ... ioner.html

[bigfellascott]

Back to 2 stroke. Iasked a manager at merc, As u know they use diesels in most models. It is there bread and butter. I got this reply.

"I have spoken to a number of the guys here and we have not seen anything from Benz that suggests adding lube to diesel fuel, the workshop guys here said they would certainly not recommend it, could cause more harm than good."

just passing it along Take it or leave it.

Yep everyones got an opinion on it, there are ****** of people using it in their diesels and as far as I can ascertain none have reported any issues in doing so and the majority have reported improvements?

Honestly who knows hey.

[on_one_wheel]

I look at it this way, if a diesel engine runs well on crudely refined deep fryer oil, I seriously doubt that 200:1 of 2 stroke oil could do any harm.

[bigfellascott]

I don't use two stroke but I do use this in a 3 litre Isuzu engine.
http://www.flashlube.com/en/products/di ... ioner.html

Looks like good stuff too mate, I'd happily use it too.

[bigfellascott]

They reckon that a lot of those injector cleaners on the market are Kero Based which is another form of diesel I believe (not sure how diff it is to diesel) but I know the ol cockies use to use Heating Oil in their 4wds as it was cheaper back then (not the case now of course) once the fuel cos and government got wind of it.

[Die Judicii]

They reckon that a lot of those injector cleaners on the market are Kero Based which is another form of diesel I believe (not sure how diff it is to diesel) but I know the ol cockies use to use Heating Oil in their 4wds as it was cheaper back then (not the case now of course) once the fuel cos and government got wind of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong,,,, but I believe Kero is actually an abrasive.
Maybe that is what actually does the cleaning.

[bigfellascott]

They reckon that a lot of those injector cleaners on the market are Kero Based which is another form of diesel I believe (not sure how diff it is to diesel) but I know the ol cockies use to use Heating Oil in their 4wds as it was cheaper back then (not the case now of course) once the fuel cos and government got wind of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong,,,, but I believe Kero is actually an abrasive.
Maybe that is what actually does the cleaning.

I honestly don't know mate

[Oldbloke]

If a diesel idles a lot the cylinders will glaze up. This results in a poor ring to cylinder seal. So kero which has no oil should help reduce the glasing. I have often been told kero is abrasive but im not convinced. In my view, a solvent and fuel. Perhaps a chemist can explain if we have one? Or perhaps just google it mate.

[Varmtr]

They reckon that a lot of those injector cleaners on the market are Kero Based which is another form of diesel I believe (not sure how diff it is to diesel) but I know the ol cockies use to use Heating Oil in their 4wds as it was cheaper back then (not the case now of course) once the fuel cos and government got wind of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong,,,, but I believe Kero is actually an abrasive.
Maybe that is what actually does the cleaning.

Yep it is.

Diesel comes from what we call at work light cycle oil, which we monitor cloud point. Then it goes hydrogen de-sulphurisation unit which removes the sulphur ( Euro standards ). After all this the cetane, cloud point, get dosed with lubricant and a heap of other test before its released to the public.

[Varmtr]

Heating oil comes from Kero its a distillation cut out of kero can't remember its distillation range. Yeh you could run a diesel on heating oil but it wouldn't be good for the engine and pump.

When I get back to work after annual leave I'll have chat with a few technologists about putting 2 stroke oil into diesel. Me personally I wouldn't.

[bigfellascott]

Heating oil comes from Kero its a distillation cut out of kero can't remember its distillation range. Yeh you could run a diesel on heating oil but it wouldn't be good for the engine and pump.

When I get back to work after annual leave I'll have chat with a few technologists about putting 2 stroke oil into diesel. Me personally I wouldn't.

That would be great if you could have a chat to em mate, its an interesting subject alright. Apparently the sulphur content used to be up around 2000-3000ppm and now its been reduced to around 50ppm I would appreciate it if you could suss them out about that too and find out what they add into the diesel these days to compensate for the reduced lubricity due to the low sulphur content.

What I can tell you since putting some 2 stroke in my diesel (200:1 ratio) is that the engine runs quieter (less injector noise I think) and seems to run smoother and quieter as you drive along too so let em know that and see what they think the reason is (this seems to be a common comment from those who have been using it for a long time and they notice the noise diff when they don't add it in.

Cheers mate - I look forward to their input on the subject.

[Oldbloke]

Varmtr, I would be interested in what they say too.

[Oldbloke]

Varmtr, I would be interested in what they say too.

[Varmtr]

Will do guys I don't go back to work till the 1st of next month so will be a while but I will find out.
Bigfellascotty the sulphur content is well a truely below 50ppm. We make 10ppm and lower and chatting to the boys up that end we have actually made 0ppm sulphur diesel.

[bigfellascott]

Will do guys I don't go back to work till the 1st of next month so will be a while but I will find out.
Bigfellascotty the sulphur content is well a truely below 50ppm. We make 10ppm and lower and chatting to the boys up that end we have actually made 0ppm sulphur diesel.

Yeah I've been reading how they were looking at reducing it below the 50ppm, I just hope they are putting some good lube in the diesel to compensate. I did find an interesting product on the market that looks the goods.

They produce a lot of diff additives to help reduce friction and lubricate etc - not cheap at around $300 for a 5lt container of it but I don't think you have to keep adding it to diffs, gearboxes etc too often to get good results. Basically it works out at a 10% ratio so 10lt of engine oil for argument sake would be 1lt of this stuff to be added. The Diesel Conditioner is used at a rate of 10mils per tank from what I can tell.

It's an interesting couple of videos to watch and certainly makes one think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf3moijxSvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUimTKM9E5M

[Varmtr]

Ah Bi-Tron seen it years ago at a field day have never used it. If I come across any I'l grab a sample and put it on a GC ( gas chromatograph ) and see what exactly is in it.

[North East]

What's wrong with normal diesel?....never been a problem to me.

[on_one_wheel]

Thats what most people would say NE , but for me adding 2 stroke oil to my diesel fuel gives me the physiological edge that I need against my competitors.

[Bourt]

Thats what most people would say NE , but for me adding 2 stroke oil to my diesel fuel gives me the physiological edge that I need against my competitors.

Who? Trees?

[Die Judicii]

Will do guys I don't go back to work till the 1st of next month so will be a while but I will find out.
Bigfellascotty the sulphur content is well a truely below 50ppm. We make 10ppm and lower and chatting to the boys up that end we have actually made 0ppm sulphur diesel.

Hey there Varmtr,,
I take it you work in a refinery,
Are you allowed to say which company and,, or,, which refinery ?

At any rate, you sound like you've got a finger on the pulse.
Keep us all up to date MATE.

Its getting scary when as fast as you update (vehicles), the other technology (fuel) outstrips you.

[Oldbloke]

It was obvious from his firstcomment he works in a refinery

[Varmtr]

I do, and being in Vic there are only 2 refinery's you have a 50% chance of getting it right.

[Die Judicii]

:lol: I do, and being in Vic there are only 2 refinery's you have a 50% chance of getting it right.

Ok,,,,,, thanks.
Keep us well informed please.

[Die Judicii]

Question to Varmtr,,, or anyone else that can answer,,,,,,,,,

What is the go with "Bio Diesel" ?
Is it blended into normal diesel like ethanol in unleaded petrol ?

Do servos that sell the stuff have the bowsers labelled as such ?

I dont recall ever seeing anything in a servo that says "Bio Diesel"

For that matter, I've never seen Bio diesel pumps.

Not that I want to use the S*it,,,,,, just curious.

[on_one_wheel]

Question to Varmtr,,, or anyone else that can answer,,,,,,,,,

What is the go with "Bio Diesel" ?
Is it blended into normal diesel like ethanol in unleaded petrol ?

Do servos that sell the stuff have the bowsers labelled as such ?

I dont recall ever seeing anything in a servo that says "Bio Diesel"

For that matter, I've never seen Bio diesel pumps.

Not that I want to use the S*it,,,,,, just curious.

I've been told that the diesel that we use at work is a Bio blend diesel, it's bright yellow, doesn't smell much like diesel at all infact it barely smells like anything ,feels similar on the skin and between the fingers as regular diesel and the exhaust gasses from even the big equipment doesn't have that same diesel smoke smell.

I'd be interested to hear more about whats on the market in the way of blends and stuff.

on the topic of smell, ever noticed how most diesel engines have a different smell to one another on startup even when they all run the same juce ?
Some smell waxy like a candle being blown out, some have a ritch sweet smell, some hardly smell at all. Probably something to do with tune , injector performance or general condition. .. im yet to work it out.

[lole]

Biodiesel is made from oil or fat, it's not a petroleum derivative.

Meant to be a eco-friendly fuel etc.

The reason for mixing it with normal diesel is because the thicker biodiesel causes ignition delay in some systems I believe. Thinning it out with regular is a balance between performance and being eco-friendly.

on_one_wheel if you check your tanks at work it probably says B20 on it? Mean 20% biodiesel. I don't think you can go any higher than that without the equipment being made or modified for it

[Die Judicii]

The other week on our way down south, we got a tank full of dirty diesel that killed the ute.
To get to our destination while the ute is in dry dock, we hired a near new Prado from Avis.

On the fuel filler flap they had put a largish sign that said "DO NOT USE BIO DIESEL"

Surely thats gotta tell us all the truth.

Any diesel service specialists will back that message up.

[bigfellascott]

The other week on our way down south, we got a tank full of dirty diesel that killed the ute.
To get to our destination while the ute is in dry dock, we hired a near new Prado from Avis.

On the fuel filler flap they had put a largish sign that said "DO NOT USE BIO DIESEL"

Surely thats gotta tell us all the truth.

Any diesel service specialists will back that message up.

Certainly pause for thought that's for sure mate. I run 2 fuel filters on mine - the original OM and a Donaldson Filter with water separator in it, the other thing I add to each tank is that Fuel Doctor which is designed to break up water and that diesel bug or whatever its called, which can be read bad for CR diesels.

By the way what brand was the diesel that caused issues?

[Die Judicii]

Hiya Scottie,
I'm really not sure, cos we had gone thru 3 separate top ups as we travelled.
Could've been any one of em,,

[bigfellascott]

Hiya Scottie,
I'm really not sure, cos we had gone thru 3 separate top ups as we travelled.
Could've been any one of em,,

Independants mate or more your Shell, Caltex etc? either way mate not a nice thing to happen that far from home.