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Re: Just had an awful experience with my local gun shop

Post by Stix » 24 Jun 2018, 11:45 am

Yes ponkychonk...
You need to do something...!!...i was getting to the point of straightshooter & marksman, & gonna suggest you investigate the legalities of it.

Id get as much dirt as you can first--such as, is it legal to do this charging for the letter for starters.
If its a written/regulated process, if the coppers allow this-particularly if its NOT regulated.
Do other gunshops in WA do it...? & so is it a generally accepted form.of corruption over there.

As you've described it, i see it that you have been both legally & morally robbed & violated...& that is not right...!!!

If this gun shop is alone doing this, id go all the way & just before leaving the state id expose them as the corrupt gun running mob of fraudulent crooks they are in mainstream.media.

I hate people/co-ops/groups who abuse power & fuk people over--so if they are one of those mobs--you should fuk them back--its just unfortunate you cant do it with a rusty star dropper thats been hacked up with a nine inch grinder...!!
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jun 2018, 12:26 pm

ponkychonk wrote:
Stix wrote:Stupid question...
A "property letter"...what exactly is a property letter for a firearm...?


Just proof you send to the police that shows you have authorisation to shoot on a big property



Sounds pretty damn dodgy to me too.
Sounds to me they are selling a false declaration.
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Post by darwindingo » 24 Jun 2018, 2:28 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
ponkychonk wrote:
Stix wrote:Stupid question...
A "property letter"...what exactly is a property letter for a firearm...?


Just proof you send to the police that shows you have authorisation to shoot on a big property



Sounds pretty damn dodgy to me too.
Sounds to me they are selling a false declaration.


Yep.. Why even bother to have the requirement of providing this authorisation letter, when it appears to be an accepted practice to allow people to sell them... Bound to get a few clayton's one's being produced :lol: :crazy: :lol:
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jun 2018, 2:41 pm

darwindingo wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
ponkychonk wrote:
Stix wrote:Stupid question...
A "property letter"...what exactly is a property letter for a firearm...?


Just proof you send to the police that shows you have authorisation to shoot on a big property



Sounds pretty damn dodgy to me too.
Sounds to me they are selling a false declaration.


Yep.. Why even bother to have the requirement of providing this authorisation letter, when it appears to be an accepted practice to allow people to sell them... Bound to get a few clayton's one's being produced :lol: :crazy: :lol:
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Post by Rifle realist » 24 Jun 2018, 5:58 pm

Old Bloke is right
On the property letter form one of the "questions is how long have you known this person?"
As for Claytons letters a requirement is the location number and size of the property.
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Post by darwindingo » 24 Jun 2018, 6:54 pm

Rifle realist wrote:Old Bloke is right
On the property letter form one of the "questions is how long have you known this person?"
As for Claytons letters a requirement is the location number and size of the property.


Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that they don't need to have the relevant info such as the property location or size on them mate. Just that with the big cash these authorisation letters fetch, there is a lot of incentive for people with qualifying properties to give a Clayton's authorisation regarding the actual access.

Selling or providing such a letter with the intent of circumventing the legal requirement to provide a legitimate letter of authorisation, is in my mind pretty risky conduct to be engaging in.

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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jun 2018, 7:30 pm

“Selling or providing such a letter with the intent of circumventing the legal requirement to provide a legitimate letter of authorisation, is in my mind pretty risky conduct to be engaging in.”

Spot on mate
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Post by 2freeq » 24 Jun 2018, 7:43 pm

If by chance the gun shop is illegally selling letters then exposing them seems the right thing to do, However its a double edged sword when the police start looking into everyone including the OP who has obtained firearms through this method.
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Post by ponkychonk » 24 Jun 2018, 8:27 pm

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Re: Just had an awful experience with my local gun shop

Post by simmo » 14 Jul 2018, 9:54 pm

First step...don’t live in The recalcitrant, over governed, police state s**t hole of WA...
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Post by TassieTiger » 04 Mar 2019, 6:01 pm

Seems to be an awful lot of edits within this post - have I missed something??
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Re: Just had an awful experience with my local gun shop

Post by duncan61 » 05 Mar 2019, 12:56 am

https://www.ellavalla.com.au.This is the place selling property letters.From what I know the place had a fire go through and firearms are half their revenue you can hunt there and they have a .50 cal range at 2km and are trying to get a 2 mile range to open up to international competition.I personally spoke with Shane recently regarding the police issue on going he will not release any information till it is over.One of my best shooters obtained his .243 by getting a Ellavalla letter.Right or wrong it worked and he is one of my most dependable people as in if we arrange to go shoot he does it.He only has the .243 I believe it is an upmarket Ruger and he keeps it immaculate.He is the guy that put the primer in backwards and I checked his loads and there was another.I will mention it when we go to the range next Saturday
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Re: Just had an awful experience with my local gun shop

Post by Daddybang » 05 Mar 2019, 9:18 am

We enquired about ellavella a couple of weeks ago and apparently due to the wapol problems they're only operating the range at 1000m :unknown:
100 bucks for three shots of the fifty seems ok considering the state and minimum of 2k to have the whole place to yaself is a bloody good price. Even if only two go its still a minimum of 2k........just a damn shame it's in WA and taking my rifles across is just bloody painful.
As for the letters just about any lgs and most large sations sell'em :drinks:
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Post by cirles » 10 Mar 2019, 7:01 pm

My property letter cost me $200 mid last year from the dealer. Being new to this whole thing (& having a mate who has been in this for a few years) this is standard practice to be able to acquire an open license for a rifle here in WA.
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