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Post by Die Judicii » 29 Mar 2019, 7:52 pm

Blackened wrote:Patriot,

I honestly have no idea what you are going on about...

What is your complaint exactly?

That ageism, sexism, racism and deliberate attempts to insult people or initiate arguments aren't welcome here?

Here, on this free forum, that you're not in any way obliged to participate in...

Any time you find the respectful discourse between mature people too much for you, you know where to find the door.


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Post by Die Judicii » 29 Mar 2019, 7:58 pm

Mods,,,, I think to go hand in hand with the "New (and improved) moderation system " we definately need a NEW EMOTICON..

A one way swinging door would be perfect.
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Post by Patriot » 29 Mar 2019, 8:21 pm

Blackened wrote:Patriot,

I honestly have no idea what you are going on about...

What is your complaint exactly?

That ageism, sexism, racism and deliberate attempts to insult people or initiate arguments aren't welcome here?

Here, on this free forum, that you're not in any way obliged to participate in...

Any time you find the respectful discourse between mature people too much for you, you know where to find the door.


No problem with respectful discourse mate, I think my posts have always been respectful.

I just think as mature people, we should be able to handle free speech however it comes, after all its only words.

Offence is taken not given, the more we, as a society, give into the ‘victim mentality ‘ the weaker our democracy becomes.
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Post by grandadbushy » 29 Mar 2019, 9:01 pm

Patriot, I can't comment on your prior posts mate, I don't know where or how you were brought up but in my day you showed the elders respect first then all other people regardless of their age. If you did want to disrespect someone or say something to upset them then you said it in private, not in public or on a forum. If you don't do it in private then there's the spinless part right there.

I agree some take things to heart very easily but that's why respect is called for. Many of us don't know each other or each others stress levels, there has to be a happy medium and the only way to achieve that is to expect respect from all concerned.

I to may have tread close to being stepped on by the mods at some time but hey, if I had I would have respected that and made moves to control myself better, not take a swipe at the mods for doing their job.

Let's have fun on this forum and poke fun at your mates. Lets learn from people on here, I know I have, and made the odd friend that without this forum I would never have known.

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Post by Die Judicii » 29 Mar 2019, 9:15 pm

Well said GDB :thumbsup:

The old folks certainly had something special.

Now, my old man always told me that RESPECT is EARNED and certainly not COMMANDED.
Something that younger people of this day and age don't seem to be able to comprehend.
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Post by Flyer » 30 Mar 2019, 2:14 am

Patriot wrote:No problem with respectful discourse mate, I think my posts have always been respectful.

I just think as mature people, we should be able to handle free speech however it comes, after all its only words.

Offence is taken not given, the more we, as a society, give into the ‘victim mentality ‘ the weaker our democracy becomes.

I, too, am in the free speech camp.

Having said that, we do get quite a bit of freedom here compared to other places and there appears to be a common-sense approach to moderation.

There's a lot of respect for knowledge in the gun forums, and a lot of members go to a lot of trouble to give help and offer advice.

Politics on the other had . . . is just a reflection of real life. They say never discuss politics or religion, as they both polarise. It's a brave forum that has a politics section (especially where firearms legislation is involved), and it can't be easy moderating it.

But I've seen the results of free-for-alls on other forums, and it just doesn't work. People say crap to each other online they would never say face-to-face because there are not the same social conventions or consequences.

As much as I cherish my implied right to free speech (which we don't actually have under the Australian Constitution), I accept there must be a line drawn for the purpose of discourse. Otherwise every thread ends up being a bunch of people calling each other names. Been there, done that. :D
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Post by AusC » 03 Apr 2019, 8:06 am

Hmm, some dramatic terms getting thrown around in here.

Censorship, shutting down speech, the weakening of democracy.

I think some people are confusing "free speech" with "people have to listen to my opinion".

There's a difference between censorship and not indulging peoples rubbish :lol:
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Post by Ziad » 03 Apr 2019, 10:50 am

People actually forget under Australian law, its a privilege granted, esp in a forum like situation.....

Australia does not have explicit freedom of speech in any constitutional or statutory declaration of rights

Some times people forget that and think they are in America.
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Post by bigrich » 03 Apr 2019, 4:32 pm

I agree with all posts above on this page. GDB, flyer , ziad , JD , AusC, all good well said points of view . Politics and religion are two subjects garunteed to start arguments. I think by and large there is a lot of goodwill on this forum. And I reckon the mods have been lenient in a lot of ways. Love ya work one and all
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Post by grandadbushy » 03 Apr 2019, 10:31 pm

HERE , HERE Spoke like a true gentleman Cheers BR
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Post by mickb » 24 Apr 2019, 10:39 pm

My views on moderation, is firstly it isn't. A moderator in true use of the term is someone who intercedes on the behalf of debating parties without exercising authority.

In 20 years on internet forums I have seen very little moderation, their role is arbitration.

Not saying it isn't necessary of course, or they dont have a right to, I have been in the role myself, just laying out what this is.

As to comments about a forum encouraging good discourse, mature behaviour and discouraging poor behaviour I would totally agree. And for someone to do this would be 'actual moderation'.

A group of people interceeding with good manners to basically correct, request , or if necessary berate a difficult person is a far greater tool than arbitration, and creates a culture that basically manages itself( at least 90% of the time, there are times for legal infractions or where someone is unresposive, the admin must act) The largest gun forums on the internet generally operate this way. They can have debates raging, s**t slinging but generally the moderators can hang back until the last minute because if the site has a good enough culture, the problem will generally be sorted out by the advent of the other members.

As to a 3 strike warning and the necessity to record this in perpetuity. I actually don't understand this. Even in law and financial issues, charges, crimes, bankruptcy, many black marks can be forgotten with time, or considered to have expired in their limitations. An assault charge expiring and being allowed to own guns again a prime example, or traffic infractions not following you for the rest of your life. Young people are going to spend several decades on forums after all. People have bad years, people have messy divorces, people say things they don't mean, people learn, people grow up.
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Post by bladeracer » 25 Apr 2019, 2:09 am

mickb,

Are you thinking of mediation perhaps?
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Post by bigfellascott » 25 Apr 2019, 7:02 pm

Has Gaznazdiak been a victim of this new Moderation? Haven't seen hide nor hair of him lately.
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Post by grandadbushy » 25 Apr 2019, 9:58 pm

Its funny you should say that BFS I was only thinking that the other day (His absence I mean)
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Post by tom604 » 25 Apr 2019, 10:53 pm

a couple of questions,,say ive been a bad boy three times but over five years and haven't been a shoit stirrer, just had three brain fades,,,,still gone?

so ive been banned/exiled/excommunicated or just told to hoof it,,,is it forever or can i come back after a time? and if so ,how long? :thumbsup:
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Post by Stix » 25 Apr 2019, 10:56 pm

I cant imsgine why Gaz wouldv been kicked off...
Sure he talks but he's not a trouble maker....well not that i see anyway... :unknown:
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Post by Apollo » 25 Apr 2019, 11:14 pm

Who says "Gaz" has been kicked off... He posted yesterday.

Don't believe what BFS say's... he's full of wind.... :allegedly:
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Post by trekin » 26 Apr 2019, 6:32 am

Gaz's last post appears to have been on the 24th of March, and he is not showing as 'member deleted'. Maybe he's not posting much any more because he's got the curlies that a lot of his posts/threads have been deleted because someone has taken offence to them, and not had the courtesy to inform why.
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