cracker wrote:for all those who are keen as on cat c, get your collectors license.
plenty of info on here and on lrd's website.
As long as you're happy to only own them, not actually go out shooting with them.
cracker wrote:for all those who are keen as on cat c, get your collectors license.
plenty of info on here and on lrd's website.
bladeracer wrote:cracker wrote:for all those who are keen as on cat c, get your collectors license.
plenty of info on here and on lrd's website.
As long as you're happy to only own them, not actually go out shooting with them.
cracker wrote:as iv said before mate once a month is plenty for me, i really enjoy it.
private range date once a month is ace.
the whole you cant shoot them is just crap, theres actually no where you can just flat up mag dump 45 pistols and bigger (45/75)50ae), 12g shotguns, semi auto 22's, pump shooties 12gs
. once you actually get into its really good fun, the only reason you say its useless, is up to you, your choice.
Die Judicii wrote:TassieTiger wrote:...taking to a friend and he reminds me I cancan apply for a cat C with my circumstances,
Tas, if your thinking along the lines of using medical or physical difficulties as an inroad to getting a Cat C license,,,,, think long and carefully Mate.
If they grant you a Cat C status on those grounds,,,,,, (as in can't or have difficulty in manipulating a bolt action etc) they may possibly then turn around and say you don't need any Cat A or B firearms and Bingo,,,,,,, they're gone.
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TassieTiger wrote:Die Judicii wrote:TassieTiger wrote:...taking to a friend and he reminds me I cancan apply for a cat C with my circumstances,
Tas, if your thinking along the lines of using medical or physical difficulties as an inroad to getting a Cat C license,,,,, think long and carefully Mate.
If they grant you a Cat C status on those grounds,,,,,, (as in can't or have difficulty in manipulating a bolt action etc) they may possibly then turn around and say you don't need any Cat A or B firearms and Bingo,,,,,,, they're gone.
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Appreciate the heads up and very interesting- something I didn’t think about.
I’ve been recently granted primary production status with my private timber reserve - which is a legit tree farm.
Interestingly - from what hive read, anyone with land over 10 hectares, with a parcel of standing trees (doesn’t have to be plantation) can apply to have their trees registered as a private timber reserve...this can then allow for certain “benefits”. Mind you - you would not bother doing it, if your sole purpose was to try and procure a cat c firearm...not worth it.
womble wrote:Interesting isn’t it
Cat C is for land owners and rich people
Even cat A and B is difficult if you’re blue collar and don’t really asociate much with lawyers, doctors
Class system
womble wrote:Yeah not quite what I meant. Farmers around here are desperate times.
bladeracer wrote:cracker wrote:as iv said before mate once a month is plenty for me, i really enjoy it.
private range date once a month is ace.
the whole you cant shoot them is just crap, theres actually no where you can just flat up mag dump 45 pistols and bigger (45/75)50ae), 12g shotguns, semi auto 22's, pump shooties 12gs
. once you actually get into its really good fun, the only reason you say its useless, is up to you, your choice.
I have no interest in mag dumping pistols, or shooting semi-auto rifles - I've done all that before the laws changed, but I don't begrudge you from enjoying it if that's your thing.
Agreed, but likewise, that's your opinion too. If I can't wander down the paddock and enjoy a firearm whenever I feel like it, it's not worth putting it in my safes.
Ziad wrote:Just make sure you don't live on it mate, as ato can get very nasty.
aS always talk to an account
womble wrote:Interesting isn’t it
Cat C is for land owners and rich people
Even cat A and B is difficult if you’re blue collar and don’t really asociate much with lawyers, doctors
Class system
JSS wrote:TassieTiger wrote:Die Judicii wrote:TassieTiger wrote:...taking to a friend and he reminds me I cancan apply for a cat C with my circumstances,
Tas, if your thinking along the lines of using medical or physical difficulties as an inroad to getting a Cat C license,,,,, think long and carefully Mate.
If they grant you a Cat C status on those grounds,,,,,, (as in can't or have difficulty in manipulating a bolt action etc) they may possibly then turn around and say you don't need any Cat A or B firearms and Bingo,,,,,,, they're gone.
.
Appreciate the heads up and very interesting- something I didn’t think about.
I’ve been recently granted primary production status with my private timber reserve - which is a legit tree farm.
Interestingly - from what hive read, anyone with land over 10 hectares, with a parcel of standing trees (doesn’t have to be plantation) can apply to have their trees registered as a private timber reserve...this can then allow for certain “benefits”. Mind you - you would not bother doing it, if your sole purpose was to try and procure a cat c firearm...not worth it.
Yep i've heard a similar rumour floating around that Die Judicii is talking about, the version i heard was if your medical reason was "recoil for injured shoulder" then they may come and take any other high powered rifles off you that they deem to have big recoil. i don't know if it's true or just a scare tactic put out to stop people trying the medical cat c route. It would suck if they did it to you though....
I know here in Qld if you use it (medical) to get a semi 12g for say shooting clays, you have to limit the mag capacity to 2 rounds. So unless it really is for genuine recoil reduction for an injury it defeats the purpose in getting one as you can fire two rounds just as fast from a double barrel.
Also i think (if i remember correctly) that that gun can only be used at the range and can't be taken out hunting. They've really made it just not worth doing unless you're genuine.
cracker wrote:bladeracer wrote:cracker wrote:as iv said before mate once a month is plenty for me, i really enjoy it.
private range date once a month is ace.
the whole you cant shoot them is just crap, theres actually no where you can just flat up mag dump 45 pistols and bigger (45/75)50ae), 12g shotguns, semi auto 22's, pump shooties 12gs
. once you actually get into its really good fun, the only reason you say its useless, is up to you, your choice.
I have no interest in mag dumping pistols, or shooting semi-auto rifles - I've done all that before the laws changed, but I don't begrudge you from enjoying it if that's your thing.
Agreed, but likewise, that's your opinion too. If I can't wander down the paddock and enjoy a firearm whenever I feel like it, it's not worth putting it in my safes.
yeah fair play mate, not all of us were around pre 96 its fun to let your hair down sometimes and not take it so seriously.
bladeracer wrote:JSS wrote:TassieTiger wrote:Die Judicii wrote:TassieTiger wrote:...taking to a friend and he reminds me I cancan apply for a cat C with my circumstances,
Tas, if your thinking along the lines of using medical or physical difficulties as an inroad to getting a Cat C license,,,,, think long and carefully Mate.
If they grant you a Cat C status on those grounds,,,,,, (as in can't or have difficulty in manipulating a bolt action etc) they may possibly then turn around and say you don't need any Cat A or B firearms and Bingo,,,,,,, they're gone.
.
Appreciate the heads up and very interesting- something I didn’t think about.
I’ve been recently granted primary production status with my private timber reserve - which is a legit tree farm.
Interestingly - from what hive read, anyone with land over 10 hectares, with a parcel of standing trees (doesn’t have to be plantation) can apply to have their trees registered as a private timber reserve...this can then allow for certain “benefits”. Mind you - you would not bother doing it, if your sole purpose was to try and procure a cat c firearm...not worth it.
Yep i've heard a similar rumour floating around that Die Judicii is talking about, the version i heard was if your medical reason was "recoil for injured shoulder" then they may come and take any other high powered rifles off you that they deem to have big recoil. i don't know if it's true or just a scare tactic put out to stop people trying the medical cat c route. It would suck if they did it to you though....
I know here in Qld if you use it (medical) to get a semi 12g for say shooting clays, you have to limit the mag capacity to 2 rounds. So unless it really is for genuine recoil reduction for an injury it defeats the purpose in getting one as you can fire two rounds just as fast from a double barrel.
Also i think (if i remember correctly) that that gun can only be used at the range and can't be taken out hunting. They've really made it just not worth doing unless you're genuine.
The reason for getting a semi-auto is the reduced recoil is easier on your body, not to be able to shoot quicker. Yes, if you get CatC for competition, then that's all you can use it for.
TassieTiger wrote:Reduced recoil in a 12g is a reasonable request for many - would it be fair to assume a semi auto 12g would have a lot less recoil than either a pump or lever?
Also - forgive my ignorance here but ole mate who wants a pump centrefire - i assume they don’t load via a nose to tail tube for safety of nose into primer like 22’s, so do they use a normal mag and use some recoil gases to pre load a cartridge ?
womble wrote:Hopefully bladeracer will give you a better explanation as my experience is also limited and distant memory.
But a pump action is an entirely manual operation, no use of recoil gasses.
In 12 gauge I went from a side by side hammer gun to a mossberg 500 pump. Which is a pretty cheap gun. Synthetic stock, mass produced junk really. Somewhat better to shoot, because nothing is more brutal than the old side by side.
But then I swapped the mossberg for a Bennelli semi auto, expensive well balanced nicely put together with a wood stock. and that was a dramatic difference in recoil.
The only other semi auto I used infrequently was a franchi spas which was still a nice piece of kit but not a patch on the Bennell
I guess recoil is relative depending how much you need/want to shoot the gun. In 12 gauge most stuff available for cat a/b is not much fun if you want to shoot all day
Unless it’s a nice u/o trap gun or something.
I’ve seen shotguns nowadays with muzzle brakes and I saw one with ported barrels, things that would vent some gas and make them a bit more pleasant.
Plastic stocks I would avoid in 12 gauge and I think you need something that’s nicely weighted, balanced.
I guess you get what you pay for like anything else. Some of the better straight pulls seem well reviewed recoil wise.
And of course recoil is relative to the individual. The only shotgun I take anywhere nowadays is a 410. Probably my favourite gun to shoot actually.
But that’s simplistic, there’s more to the story. Bladeracer ?
Ziad wrote:I think most states have extra requirements regarding getting the license also storing the firearms.... otherwise everyone would try and get one
TassieTiger wrote:Ziad wrote:I think most states have extra requirements regarding getting the license also storing the firearms.... otherwise everyone would try and get one
The requirements when I first did the course for cat C were;
You had to already have A and B endorsed,
You had to have a genuine reason consistent with the requirements for which the firearms in cat A and B would not suffice AND be in primary production or a professional shooter. That was it.
It seems now, the police and/or govt have added to the requirements with out public notice... if they can do that with cat c, why couldn’t they do it with certain B’s...
bladeracer wrote:TassieTiger wrote:Ziad wrote:I think most states have extra requirements regarding getting the license also storing the firearms.... otherwise everyone would try and get one
The requirements when I first did the course for cat C were;
You had to already have A and B endorsed,
You had to have a genuine reason consistent with the requirements for which the firearms in cat A and B would not suffice AND be in primary production or a professional shooter. That was it.
It seems now, the police and/or govt have added to the requirements with out public notice... if they can do that with cat c, why couldn’t they do it with certain B’s...
I don't know anything about TAFE courses, that must be a local thing. But if you're applying on the basis of PP then yes, you have to provide evidence of your business, and if as a professional then you need evidence of contracts, income and such.