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Post by bigfellascott » 10 Dec 2019, 10:36 pm

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Post by bigfellascott » 10 Dec 2019, 10:45 pm

I must confess I don't recycle much at all, we don't even have recycling bins where I live (country town) and it looks like it would be a waste of time anyway going by the story from 60mins.

I recycle cardboard and paper via the wood heater or incinerator, those stupid reusable bags end up in the rubbish and I end up drowning in the bloody things (at least the old version I could use but this new version is a PITA and useless for most things I used to use the old ones for.
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Dec 2019, 11:47 pm

We don't have any rubbish collection here so we recycle everything.
Wood and paper get burned as we have the wood stove going 24/7 most of the year for cooking and hot water - we burn almost a cubic meter of wood a week during winter, and not much less during summer.
Cardboard gets saved up and used in the gardens to control grass.
We have several compost heaps that take care of anything organic.
Metals get sorted into plastic tubs in the shed and taken in to the scrap metal as the tubs fill up, even scrap steel is bringing decent money just now. Engines and things get dumped in a pile and when I'm bored I sit there and break things up to separate the metals and salvage the useful bits, like shafts and fasteners.
Plastics get bagged and taken into town during the week and put in friends' recycling bins.
The handful of stuff that's left is taken into town and put in a friend's council bin when there's enough of it to bother with.
Oils, paints and such are saved and taken in to the tip where they collect it for recycling.
Tyres are still a nuisance.

As seems common with farms, friends in town don't want to pay tip fees so a lot of trailer loads of stuff wind up out here, especially when tenants piss off leaving a house full of stuff behind. It's often handy having a junk pile to forage for bits of odd stuff when I'm building something, and the pile eventually gets separated into elements that can then be recycled, moved to the wood pile, compost heaps, or into the metals tubs, etc.
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Dec 2019, 12:14 am

I actually asked the local IGA if they would set up some sort of bin where people could bring back their excess bags but they sighted health and hygene reasons as to why it couldn't be done.

I did score a heap of old racks from the local type a while back (from the IGA shop) I've turned that into all sorts of things from shelving for the shed, seats, racks for my firewood, rabbits cages and will also make a wood box for the wood heater.

I'm hearing ya re the wood burning, not sure how much we burn each year, got about 12 cubic metres already cut up for next winter and still have plenty of trees to cut down yet before I'm finished. I also got a wheel barrow in the local clean up that was held recently, it needed a tire which was an easy fix, I use that to cart the wood down to the wood rack. Also got a few mowers in the clean up and they have been repaired and given to people who needed then.

I love repurposing things, its fun, I get a lot of satisfaction doing it.

From the recent purchase of a log splitter which came in a metal cage basically, so that will for part of the wood box I'm making, also got quite a few heavy duty desks from the council a few years back, they have be repurposed into a reloading bench, printer table, work table for me. Also got a heap of gal steel box that I have repurposed into flooring bearers for my Mezzanine flooring I built in the shed, also got a heap of tongue and groove flooring from the tip and that was used for the flooring itself on the Mezzanine.

I'm doing as much as I can to recycle things into more useful items, but those bloody plastic bags give me the tom tits I can tell ya, I keep forgetting to take them in when I go shopping, I get to the checkout and then bloody remember em! LOL
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 11 Dec 2019, 1:03 am

Yep, after the crisis emerged been listening to what ppl saying.

I find it hilarious that glass contamination is the biggest source of issue, in separating from cardboard and plastics. Ie cannot be done. But if you look at what council's tell us... chuck the glass bottle in the bin which dumped into a big truck which then compacts

What more funny is that it takes nearly 90% as much energy to recycle glass than to make virgin glass.

Went to a local plastic recycling factory with the little ones scouts group. It took certain types of plastics and made outdoor benches, tables, etc from it... their biggest bug bear, ohh it costs us more to produce them but no one wants to pay extra for our products.... we talking council's and state and federal governments.... their price was prohibitive for normal people... but very good quality stuff.

And that's why China says we not taking your trash...aka mixed recycling, as our rivers are getting full... plus they produce enough of their own sheet

And don't get me started on the multi use plastics... that's a con for supermarkets to make more money, and probably takes 100 times longer to decompose than thinner single use plastic bags. And I reckon 9 out of 10 people only use the bags once or twice.

And yes, I have seen rivers and streams clogged with plastic bags like the first video from my eyes.

Btw I am not giving any solutions, no ones pays me for solutions... And I do my winging for free already.
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Post by Flyer » 11 Dec 2019, 2:30 am

Generally it's easier not to collect the plastic in the first place than to figure out what to do with it later.

Get yourself a canvas bag or two and always leave one in the car for shopping so you don't forget.

If you do forget your bag ask for a cardboard box – all supermarkets have them, and all you've got to do is ask.

Don't put fruit and veg in separate plastic bags, leave it loose in your basket and help the check-out chick at the counter by scooping it up and putting it on the scales before putting it into your canvas bag.

If you really need a bag for smaller veg items (beans, snow peas etc), put them in a paper mushroom bag.

Don't buy stuff that's double wrapped: bannanas and avocados etc in wrapped in plastic on styrofoam trays etc; pre-sliced onions and that sort of sh!t; you're only encouraging the supermarkets to do it more.

Don't buy individually wrapped items like chips and chocolates in small wraps placed in larger plastic bags.

If everyone reduces their plastic consumption, it all adds up.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 11 Dec 2019, 7:21 am

I done my trade as a butcher way back and we never used plastic then we used grease proof paper ( bit like baking paper) to wrap the meat then over wrap it with old news paper that people used to collect and sell to us until the gov stipulated we use craft paper that we used to buy in rolls its just a white paper we'd precut it to size the day before using then onto plastic bags meat was also froze in the grease proof paper so I don't really see a need for butchers to use bags other than paper bags which was also used I know paper puts pressure on trees but I think more should be done to make sure trees are planted back by the cutters to replace the fallen trees because the regrowth is usually rubbish and unusable for anything there's not enough done to alleviate the plastic problem anywhere my wife asked for a box a week or so back to carry a few things to the car but was told they don't supply boxes they're used for phone delivery orders and what isn't used then is destroyed I don't think there is one lightening bolt that's going to fix plastic waste when multi nationals won't stick together on this and get fair dinkum about the problem till that happens we'll have to live with it and do our bit for it
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Post by flutch » 11 Dec 2019, 10:19 am

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Post by Oldbloke » 11 Dec 2019, 3:02 pm

I had a couple of work related trips to an Indonesian island called Batam. The bay where the ferry docked was like that river in the vid. Just disgusting . It was a real eye opener for me.
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Post by flutch » 11 Dec 2019, 3:59 pm

Oldbloke wrote:I had a couple of work related trips to an Indonesian island called Batam. The bay where the ferry docked was like that river in the vid. Just disgusting . It was a real eye opener for me.



yeah sadly its more uncommon to see a clean beach in Indonesia than it is to see a unclean one.
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Dec 2019, 4:25 pm

It's definitely a serious problem alright, you would think in this day and age it would be easy to fix but clearly it's not.
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Dec 2019, 4:28 pm

Re the shopping bags, maybe they should have a little notice at the entrance asking you if you've remembered to bring your shopping bags in? Without fail every time I go shopping I forget the bloody thing and they are sitting in the car half the time then I end up tossing em out as I get that many around the joint it's not funny.
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Post by flutch » 11 Dec 2019, 4:30 pm

bigfellascott wrote:It's definitely a serious problem alright, you would think in this day and age it would be easy to fix but clearly it's not.



well in a lot of southeast Asia they have gone even more hard on for plastic bags because they had a guilt trip campaign over deforestation and using paper... and they bag literally everything you buy... stuff with its own handles and everything they still put it in another bag, and good luck getting the cashier not to do it, because a lot of the time its proof you paid for the item.
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Dec 2019, 5:22 pm

flutch wrote:

well in a lot of southeast Asia they have gone even more hard on for plastic bags because they had a guilt trip campaign over deforestation and using paper... and they bag literally everything you buy... stuff with its own handles and everything they still put it in another bag, and good luck getting the cashier not to do it, because a lot of the time its proof you paid for the item.


Crazy isn't it, one is a renewable resource the other isn't yet we believe the non renewable resource is the way to go :silent: :unknown: there are some seriously doppy f***s out there making decisions on our behalf, no doubt about it. :unknown:
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Post by Oldbloke » 11 Dec 2019, 5:41 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
Crazy isn't it, one is a renewable resource the other isn't yet we believe the non renewable resource is the way to go :silent: :unknown: there are some seriously doppy f***s out there making decisions on our behalf, no doubt about it. :unknown:


BFS some how i have a feeling u have known that for some time.
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Post by flutch » 11 Dec 2019, 6:03 pm

+1 ^^
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Post by Flyer » 11 Dec 2019, 11:01 pm

bigfellascott wrote:Re the shopping bags, maybe they should have a little notice at the entrance asking you if you've remembered to bring your shopping bags in? Without fail every time I go shopping I forget the bloody thing and they are sitting in the car half the time then I end up tossing em out as I get that many around the joint it's not funny.

Seriously? You can't walk back to your car to get a bag? :shock:


bigfellascott wrote:Crazy isn't it, one is a renewable resource the other isn't yet we believe the non renewable resource is the way to go :silent: :unknown: there are some seriously doppy f***s out there making decisions on our behalf, no doubt about it. :unknown:

You mean like renewable energy vs petroleum?

I'm really trying to resist the urge to be a smart-arse, but you say such contradictory things.

You complain about plastic bags . . . but you can't walk a few meters to get one out of the car.

You complain about non-renewable plastics (made from petrochemicals), but state that coal, oil and gas is the answer to all our energy needs and renewables are bunk.

Perhaps I'm misinterpretting what you're saying, but if I understand correctly that you – like most other people in this world – don't want to live on a polluted planet, why do you always brag about burning fossil fuels and making no effort to reduce your consumption?

You know that making the world a cleaner place starts with every individual – you don't have to wait for governments to legislate everything.
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Post by duncan61 » 11 Dec 2019, 11:06 pm

You guys have just carried on from climate porn.
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Post by Flyer » 11 Dec 2019, 11:16 pm

duncan61 wrote:You guys have just carried on from climate porn.

You're right. They're related. Pollution is pollution, whether it be air pollution, ocean/waterway pollution or terrestrial pollution. For the life of me I don't know why some pollution is considered bad (plastic bags) and other pollution is considered good (air pollution), because the climate change debate is all about what we pump into the air.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 12 Dec 2019, 12:05 am

You are right there Duncan brace yourself it's only up to page 2 the climate porn went for 30 odd pages this could be a good time to switch the computer off for a few months or so
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 12 Dec 2019, 7:03 am

Rofl... it started as bags... but some people are strong it towards climate again.

But what I find funny is the twiggy video posted by fluffy... I thought my eyes were playing tricks and it was flyer who posted that. Because twiggy says
This is a man made problem.
We all over the world need to work together to fix it.
An entity needs to collect money from developed countries and distribute to the pollution creators.
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Post by flutch » 12 Dec 2019, 10:44 am

well quite simply plastic waste is a tangible and treatable issues, unlike most of the assume garb from the other camp. thats the entirety of that.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 12 Dec 2019, 10:46 am

One minute we're whinging about pollution from paper mills the next we're whinging about plastic and plastic is a man made problem when we go camping we pack stuff into our own containers why can't we use our own containers to when shopping it's reusable and as clean as you make it its just most don't want the hassle of doing so and the supermarkets crack the sh!ts when you hand them a container to put the goods into and we have the same fibre bags we bought when they started cutting back on plastic bags
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Post by flutch » 12 Dec 2019, 10:55 am

well some of the biggest waste now really is what parents and family members buy kids, toys and the packaging they come in are a huge waste of not only the resource that theyre made from but they arent recycled properly due to cost and they are completely plastic and s**t.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 12 Dec 2019, 5:28 pm

What's funny is both come from the same place...aka petrochemicals...ground. but some people think one is man made and other isn't.
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Post by bladeracer » 12 Dec 2019, 5:34 pm

Ziad wrote:What's funny is both come from the same place...aka petrochemicals...ground. but some people think one is man made and other isn't.


Both? Are you suggesting that paper is petrochemical and plastics occur naturally without technology?
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Post by Flyer » 12 Dec 2019, 9:23 pm

He's talking about petrochemical plastics vs petrochemical refined fossil fuels. Both are man-made from naturally occurring resources. You could also argue paper and cardboard are man-made from naturally occurring resources. I guess the difference is one is renewable (trees), whilst the other isn't (oil). I mean, oil might be renewable, but it takes millions of years to form.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 13 Dec 2019, 6:41 am

Oh sorry I meant pollution wise. You have pollution off waterways from plastics that you can see, and pollutation from burning oil/ fuel that you usually cannot see (aka carbon), unless you are in 3rd world countries like China etc, which some people don't think is an issue.
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