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A serious question.

Post by Die Judicii » 27 Mar 2020, 12:22 am

There has been talk/rumor/inuendo regarding the Covid 19 virus having been "made" in China and it either escaping unintentionally or intentionally.

Does anyone have any reference/s to whether this is true or not ??

If it be true, I think the chinese govt has a lot to answer for.
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Re: A serious question.

Post by Baronvonrort » 27 Mar 2020, 1:45 am

If you want an admission from the Chinese government there isn't one, their foreign minister has claimed it came from the US military which I don't believe

When we look how the Chinese government treated the doctor who blew the whistle on this and their early denials it hard to believe anything from that government which includes death toll and infected.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382

We shipped out over 80 tons of medical equipment to China in February which might explain why our medical staff have a shortage with protective gear. https://www.smh.com.au/national/second-developer-flies-82-tonnes-of-medical-supplies-to-china-20200326-p54e8n.html

My thoughts on this are in this thread starting here check this link and the red links from article I cited. https://enoughgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=226630#p226630

Still looking into this looks like it was created in the level 4 biosecurity lab in Wuhan then unintentionally released. There were 4 incidents with SARS somehow getting out of a lab in Beijing which caused outbreaks that were quickly contained so not unprecedented for this to happen in China.

I don't believe it was a biological weapon it would be far more deadly if it was.

I think the Chinese government has a lot to answer for not containing this which was made a lot harder with the Chinese new year happening around that time which resulted in lots of tourists being in that area then flying back to many parts of the world shortly after.

As for people whinging about threads like this if you don't like it don't click on it. It's a huge issue i think the mods should allow it on this forum.
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Re: A serious question.

Post by Baronvonrort » 27 Mar 2020, 2:12 am

For those who prefer to have someone explain the background behind this pandemic then listen to JC explain it as he rides his electric bike home.

Video footage of ride is cool the US and NZ spec electric bikes do 32kph before it cuts out in Australia our electric bikes are limited to 25 kph. From what i hear it's a simple software change to get higher speeds here by changing to NZ specs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlplnH3VYyc
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Post by Die Judicii » 27 Mar 2020, 9:59 am

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Still looking into this looks like it was created in the level 4 biosecurity lab in Wuhan then unintentionally released. There were 4 incidents with SARS somehow getting out of a lab in Beijing which caused outbreaks that were quickly contained so not unprecedented for this to happen in China.

I don't believe it was a biological weapon it would be far more deadly if it was.


Thanks for that Baron,,,,,, very informative. (I'm not a proficient surfer of the web)

I think the question that is begging to be asked is,,,,,,
If NOT a "biological weapon" ,,,, Why the hell would anyone want/need to create such a thing, and what possible use would it have ?? :unknown:

I read last night that Covid19 was found alive and well on a cruise ship 21 days after it had been evacuated, and supposedly cleaned.
I'm guessing it was grown in a lab culture that originated from a hand rail or bathroom on the ship.

Scary stuff.
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Post by sungazer » 27 Mar 2020, 10:45 am

There are lots and lots of offical sites all around the world saying that it was not an engineered virus.

If it was an engineered virus I would be looking to the US as they have far more to gain than China. The US is in hock to the Chinese up to their eyeballs.They would dearly love to cut back on imports from China and make things in the US again. Making the Virus in the US and releasing it in China to halt manufacturing and hurt their economy is much more believable than the other way around.
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Post by Baronvonrort » 27 Mar 2020, 11:15 am

sungazer wrote:There are lots and lots of offical sites all around the world saying that it was not an engineered virus.

If it was an engineered virus I would be looking to the US as they have far more to gain than China. The US is in hock to the Chinese up to their eyeballs.They would dearly love to cut back on imports from China and make things in the US again. Making the Virus in the US and releasing it in China to halt manufacturing and hurt their economy is much more believable than the other way around.


J.J.Couey who made that video is a scientist- https://neurobio.pitt.edu/people/j-j-jay-couey

Yes I have read a lot on this recently some say this virus evolved naturally they can't see any evidence of it being engineered.

JJ covered this we should also keep in mind China doesn't have restrictions on testing with animals that the rest of the world has.

I think this virus was accidently released which is not unprecedented I don't see any real evidence of a conspiracy. Conspiracy theorists must believe in government competence which is something I don't believe in.

This virus started in China nothing I have seen makes me believe any of their victim numbers or claims they have it under control.

The rest of the world is also in hock with China. Did you know China owns the power company called Energy Australia?
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Post by Baronvonrort » 27 Mar 2020, 11:34 am

Die Judicii wrote:
Thanks for that Baron,,,,,, very informative. (I'm not a proficient surfer of the web)

I think the question that is begging to be asked is,,,,,,
If NOT a "biological weapon" ,,,, Why the hell would anyone want/need to create such a thing, and what possible use would it have ?? :unknown:

I read last night that Covid19 was found alive and well on a cruise ship 21 days after it had been evacuated, and supposedly cleaned.
I'm guessing it was grown in a lab culture that originated from a hand rail or bathroom on the ship.

Scary stuff.


They do a lot of research with viruses to create vaccines where there is huge money.

I saw a paper on Herpes virus being cured by Shingles which was one virus attacking another with the intention to create a vaccine. I had to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement with that about 20 years ago so nothing else to say there. :allegedly:

I have seen evidence UV kills this virus so when I come home from shopping I put groceries down strip off and leave clothes in the sun have a shower then put groceries away. Massachusetts in the US has reversed the ban on single use plastic bags because this virus will stay alive on plastic bags another thing to consider. At this stage shopping is my only risk apart from a neighbour who is a gasbag.
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Re: A serious question.

Post by Ziad » 27 Mar 2020, 12:37 pm

So how did it escape?

And second question, why have all these viruses only escaped from Chinese facilities but never from a US or European facility?
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Post by sungazer » 27 Mar 2020, 12:49 pm

The US also has a huge Germ bank and more importantly hold the rights and vaccines to most of the worlds diseases. The US has more military bases around the world than China has on their own territory.

I think you need to have a look at who has most to gain if you are looking at conspiracies. why would China want to cripple the US economy they have a huge investment of funds they may not recover. The US nearly defaulted on their loans a few years ago. The US is the major source of the Chinese exports and again the income for China.

Looking at in from the other side the US has a lot to gain if the Chinese $ failed the loans would be easier to repay. It would be an incentive to manufacture in the US or the US companies manufacturing in China would have cheaper labor.

The US relies on having instability in many parts of the world to keep prices down on oil and manufacturing. They rely on having illegal immigrants to work in the farms in the US. This was shown on TV just this week by the English flog.
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Post by Ziad » 27 Mar 2020, 2:09 pm

One more point to ad there.

China actually holds the biggest deposits of US currency... the reserve bank of China or outs equivalent had propped up the greenback for a very long time.... they only do this so their exports are cheap enough for consumers in Chinas biggest market ie America
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Post by poid » 27 Mar 2020, 2:40 pm

It could have come from the virus lab, they've had incidents in the past where something has been accidentally released. To me it's not that relevant whether that happened.

Bioweapon though? It doesn't look like one to me...a country developing a bioweapon would want it to be somewhat selective and not something that can blow back to the originating country. Plus if you are building a bioweapon you also build a treatment for it. This looks like a pretty classic pandemic, in the past without media (say last century) we may not have even recognised it as a separate disease.
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Post by InisBineest » 27 Mar 2020, 3:52 pm

I went into reading this thread with the thought of "oh no, another lot like this..." But this is the most reasonable non-tinfoil hat conversation i have seen on the topic yet. The possibilities are interesting to consider, but I'm glad to see a lot of level heads here talking quite rationally. Many threads i see on this devolve into outright racist or patriotic rants!
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Re: A serious question.

Post by Baronvonrort » 27 Mar 2020, 4:00 pm

poid wrote:
Bioweapon though? It doesn't look like one to me...a country developing a bioweapon would want it to be somewhat selective and not something that can blow back to the originating country. Plus if you are building a bioweapon you also build a treatment for it. This looks like a pretty classic pandemic, in the past without media (say last century) we may not have even recognised it as a separate disease.


A good bioweapon has high mortality so that it burns through a population quickly and then clears quickly, leaving a clear path for troops. It has the opposite specs of what you would want in a bioweapon.
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Post by Ziege » 27 Mar 2020, 4:21 pm

China has a laundry list of things to be held accountable for

-oppression
-covid19
-sars
-swine flu
-internment camps (concentration camps) with millions interned
-human rights violations too many to list
-social score system
-invading and stealing land off neighbouring sovereign nations
-killing their own people
-socialism/communism continuance/promotion
-illegal military bases in the oceans of SEA
-exploitation of child labor
-exploitation of natural resources and pollution

And the list just goes on and on, they should be buried in trade embargoes and strictest travel restrictions after this... China and it's people need to be forced to have a serious attitude/moral adjustment.
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Re: A serious question.

Post by Baronvonrort » 27 Mar 2020, 4:35 pm

Ziad wrote:So how did it escape?

And second question, why have all these viruses only escaped from Chinese facilities but never from a US or European facility?



As for the circumstances or mechanism for this escape we don't know, when things are unknown it acceptable to say I don't know when it's the truth.

This article claims some Chinese researchers sell animals used for testing in the wet market instead of cremating them.It mentions one being jailed for doing this how much money did he make?
https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

This article claims the first victim diagnosed had never been to the wet market which Lancet cited.It also mentions the Chinese government mandated more stringent handling of viruses and bioagents in all labs
https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/coronavirus-lab-leakage-rumors-spreading/

This article mentions 4 virology escapes with SARS virus in China along with incidents from Taiwan and Singapore, it also mentions escapes from other labs around the world.
https://thebulletin.org/2014/03/threatened-pandemics-and-laboratory-escapes-self-fulfilling-prophecies/

We have more examples of these pathogens escaping here- https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/3/20/18260669/deadly-pathogens-escape-lab-smallpox-bird-flu

We have even more examples here- https://nationalpost.com/news/a-brief-terrifying-history-of-viruses-escaping-from-labs-70s-chinese-pandemic-was-a-lab-mistake

It's not unprecedented for a virus to escape from a lab in China or the US or UK.

Those who work in these viral labs will downplay the fact these pathogens can escape or even outright deny it as the consequences of an outraged public will reduce any future taxpayer funding they get to joining others in the line at Centrelink
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Post by Die Judicii » 27 Mar 2020, 8:27 pm

I hear today, that china is buying medical equipment/supplies in a big way here in Australia.
I cannot confirm whether this is true or not.
But,,,,, if true,,, what the hell is our govt doing/thinking ??????????

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