Baronvonrort wrote:
Still looking into this looks like it was created in the level 4 biosecurity lab in Wuhan then unintentionally released. There were 4 incidents with SARS somehow getting out of a lab in Beijing which caused outbreaks that were quickly contained so not unprecedented for this to happen in China.
I don't believe it was a biological weapon it would be far more deadly if it was.
sungazer wrote:There are lots and lots of offical sites all around the world saying that it was not an engineered virus.
If it was an engineered virus I would be looking to the US as they have far more to gain than China. The US is in hock to the Chinese up to their eyeballs.They would dearly love to cut back on imports from China and make things in the US again. Making the Virus in the US and releasing it in China to halt manufacturing and hurt their economy is much more believable than the other way around.
Die Judicii wrote:
Thanks for that Baron,,,,,, very informative. (I'm not a proficient surfer of the web)
I think the question that is begging to be asked is,,,,,,
If NOT a "biological weapon" ,,,, Why the hell would anyone want/need to create such a thing, and what possible use would it have ??
I read last night that Covid19 was found alive and well on a cruise ship 21 days after it had been evacuated, and supposedly cleaned.
I'm guessing it was grown in a lab culture that originated from a hand rail or bathroom on the ship.
Scary stuff.
poid wrote:
Bioweapon though? It doesn't look like one to me...a country developing a bioweapon would want it to be somewhat selective and not something that can blow back to the originating country. Plus if you are building a bioweapon you also build a treatment for it. This looks like a pretty classic pandemic, in the past without media (say last century) we may not have even recognised it as a separate disease.
Ziad wrote:So how did it escape?
And second question, why have all these viruses only escaped from Chinese facilities but never from a US or European facility?
Die Judicii wrote:I just tried to upload an article (link) regarding the possible very first case of Covid19
But,,,, was met with "The extension html is not allowed. The upload was rejected because the uploaded file was identified as a possible attack vector"
The article refers to a woman that was working in a "wet market" in Wuhan that sells Bats, Dogs, Cats, etc etc for food.
She was diagnosed with the typical Covid19 signs and symptoms along with other work colleagues all having the same symptoms.
She was admitted to hospital, recovered, and was discharged in late January
Jan. 26, 2020
Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally
As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.
The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).
In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.
Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan—and perhaps elsewhere—before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December.
“The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey asserts.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally#
TassieTiger wrote:“The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers...” ie the Chinese govt...
Can’t and won’t trust them...
TassieTiger wrote:The death rate will be very questionable (thankfully), due to the large numbers that are infected but not recorded which could be many many thousands - this will be especially so, where our Au numbers are relatively low in statistical comparison.
The who is still tracking towards an approx 3% fatality rate - which is still extremely high - and I guess could obviously change at any time.
These stats are all interesting but do hard to quantify until after the fact - which will be a loooong time coming...