The combined COVID-19 topic

[sungazer]

The really silly thing is blaming China's wet markets. These are common place in all of Asia, Africa and in many other parts of the world. Buying your food alive is the only way to prove it is fresh in a huge part of the world. There are no fridges or Freezers in use in more households around the world than those with them. The same for the markets. to single out China is just a skape goat. The last big Virus came from Mexico or did it? It is a very fluid border that America relies on with Mexico. There are many off the grid towns in America where we would call illegal immigrants living the only drinking water is contaminated ground water. In America they are just refereed to as un documented. Still able to legally obtain a job.

[Bill]

This article is from 2015, they key line I have quoted below is from the article.

' They inserted a key part of the virus, its spike protein, into a SARS virus and then ran experiments to see if the hybrid virus could infect human respiratory tract cells (in a dish) and mice that were vulnerable to the SARS virus. It did. '

https://www.statnews.com/2015/11/09/sar ... udy-finds/

[marksman]

this is worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

[Oldbloke]

I'm going shopping tomorrow with the Mrs.

While we are out and about I'm buying a tin hat. Might buy a dozen. Just in case.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... o-covid-19


https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 46416.html

[Bill]

marksman Covid 19 has nothing to do with the wet markets, red herring but plenty have been fooled, the seafood market that the virus apparently started in has no bats for sale.

Just google it....type in these 3 terms, they are all fairly general, shouldnt be many listings if not true.... .

University North Carolina

Spike Protein

Respiratory

[Blr243]

I have a conspiracy theory of my own ..coved 19 is actually going to increase the feral pig population so dramatically that when I’m allowed to go hunting again there will be almost 1000 feral pigs per square kilometre, and also that dog I missed a couple of months ago will be easier to find because he is so slow and fat from eating so many piglets Mark my words ,...... just don’t ask me about the economy or Greta

[marksman]

Bill FFS
the vid tells how the "chinese" said where the virus started and where it came from because out of the first 41 patients 27 had been there
it wasn't conclusive evidence but the chinese quickly shut down the market, it remains unclear if bats were sold there
but there is no doubt that bats carry the disease
the vid explains the wet markets, wildlife farming, illegal wildlife trade and how they all came about in china

it is not giving a definitive answer like you are trying to but it is worth a watch

it is very plausible that the chinese did start this theory although they are trying to rewrite history again

remember tiananmen square that didn't happen in chinese history

[Baronvonrort]

this is worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

VOX? ffs you might as well cite the guardian or the abc.

The bats carrying CoV ZC45 were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province,
both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market. Bats were
normally found to live in caves and trees. But the seafood market is in a densely-populated
district of Wuhan, a metropolitan of ~15 million people. The probability was very low for the
bats to fly to the market.

According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents
and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the
market.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200214144447/https:/www.researchgate.net/publication/339070128_The_possible_origins_of_2019-nCoV_coronavirus

The first patient had no links to that wet market, do we ignore the 31 residents and 28 visitors who said bats were never a food source or sold at that market?

[wanneroo]

The cruise ship problem is a simple fix.

LOAD TORPEDO TUBES ONE AND TWO!

I was never a big fan of the whole cruise ship thing before this and after this you wouldn't get me on one for anything. No thank you.

[TassieTiger]

Quote -

According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents
and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the
market.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200214144447/https:/www.researchgate.net/publication/339070128_The_possible_origins_of_2019-nCoV_coronavirus
[/quote]

The first patient had no links to that wet market, do we ignore the 31 residents and 28 visitors who said bats were never a food source or sold at that market?[/quote]


So, your saying China can’t be trusted, don’t believe their numbers, etc but then your effectively quoting the Chinese municipal reports to support your claims...

[Sergeant Hartman]

Mate that's marky trying to be funny.. maybe hoping he gets a reaction from what he would call leftards.

I call it being GCA unwitting pawn. When a group of shooters have other group of shooters just cuz they don't agree with rach other...... Divided we fall.

Anyway while many of us are just too blind about hating each other. I suppose most are not paying attention to what's happening in real world. A world where tje PM of Britain is in ICU. and atleast Victoria is fast becoming a Gestapo state, where police are getting armed with Semi Auto rifles and issuing fines to people who leave their houses even though there is no curfew in place

[Sergeant Hartman]

Lol you know it's bloody hard to get a track off threads.. as every thread goes in the wrong direction here. It degenerates to the same old racist Chinese ppl are bad thread, and look the same, honestly thought i answered your question.

In this thread I was really wanting to discuss how our lives are changing right now and in the near future. Acts like the police stopping law abiding citizens for doing an act that is not against any current laws. Etc etc etc

Ok you got me 1.07trillion.... just 7% less and it would be billions. So i was wrong.

Now going back to your first question, yes America can say, nanana we will not give you that $1T. Unfortunately It just won't work, if America can reneg on Chinese debt what chances is that a future president will reneg on other ppls depts and they all lose money. But more importantly when America wants to print more money next time it will issue bonds NO one will line up to buy NO confidence US BONDS because if a superpower like China cannot get its money what is the chances a company or mom&pop investors would?

[Ziege]

Oh I hate that also. Hence why I have Korean made fridge and freezer and thai made washing machine lol

[sungazer]

The world powers dont seem to have a problem buying from China, Face masks and Ventilators then number of face masks was staggering just to the US.

[marksman]

The world powers dont seem to have a problem buying from China, Face masks and Ventilators then number of face masks was staggering just to the US.

there's quite a few articles out there that say you are incorrect sungazer
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52092395

https://time.com/5814940/china-mask-diplomacy-falters/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/ ... 42616.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/ ... n/12105110

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east- ... sks-abroad

even UFC champ Conor McGregor blasted china over there sh!t ppe
https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts ... asts-china

[Blackened]

Combining these as there's about 9 of them at the moment.

[marksman]

its amazing your not shutting it all down,
it is appreciated that we are able to discuss this chinese flu, a fair amount of info getting put out, some comedy but well its ok
its just a shame that we have a couple on the forum who cant discuss some things without becoming agitated with TDS and then complaining after they get put in there place, the words may be removed but we all remember it is two way good and bad

it is appreciated that we can have this discussion on this forum though

[Blackened]

it is appreciated that we can have this discussion on this forum though

You know the story mate, as long as the conversation is mature and constructive we're happy to entertain most subjects.

If it goes the other way, everyone knows what happens.

A few people have put their hand up already for a permanent holiday by taking this opportunity to post a good old rant full of blatant racism. Hopefully, they're the last to do so and the conversation can continue properly.

[Sergeant Hartman]

So was reading around...cuz i got bored. And an article linked below explains the lengths the Chinese govt went to try and stop the spread of cronavirus. Would these work in UK, USA or even Australia (even though we seem to be getting an upper hand on the virus spread)

Complete lockdown for 77 days, you cannot leave your house for anything, set food is delivered to you every 3 days, and if you don't like it tough luck. No work, no school, no supermarkets. Not leaving the house for anything.

Now things are finally opening up, but All locals are registered on a computer database and given a unique QR code, that is scanned whenever they leave home, foreigners have to carry a medical report saying they are cronavirus free, and everyone gets their temps checked multiple times a day... and every few days the authorities goto every house in hazmat suits and everyone gets tested for temps as well.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sures.html

[marksman]

errr yea right
sure the ccp can be believed

the same source has a really good article on married at first sight stacey hamptons huge stomach tattoo
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a ... attoo.html

[Norton]

and every few days the authorities goto every house in hazmat suits and everyone gets tested for temps as well.

This sounds a bit dramatized (bulls**t) I have to say.

3-man teams, checking everybody every 3-4 days? Plus guards on the street checking passers-by.

Wuhan has 10-11 million people according to Google. How many 'hazmat security guards' can they possibly have to be able to do that...

[Sergeant Hartman]

Quite easy if you can commandeer 100-200k "volunteers".

Plus generally there would be 2-4 people on a house/ apartment.

While China and Australia are doing well.. it's not that great in the UK
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tage-test/

[marksman]

some pretty strong words from richo and jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn78Gx8Kwu0

you have to feel for the Americans at the moment with nearly 2000 deaths from the chinese flu in the last 24hrs

lucky they shut their borders before it was advised but still a bit late, and they were called racist because they did
very strange to say the least

[Bill]

No conspiracy reqd here

USA 4% of world population now accounting for 25% of the world official deaths, the homeless are being buried on an island just off New York

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-10/ ... 9/12140380

[marksman]

its a sad thing to be happening in america at the moment
it wasn't there flu and the advice given was rubbish
the CCP and WHO have a lot to account for, to the whole world

[Sergeant Hartman]

No conspiracy reqd here

USA 4% of world population now accounting for 25% of the world official deaths, the homeless are being buried on an island just off New York

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-10/ ... 9/12140380

Yes it's indeed sad... but the biggest sad is for the front line health workers (doctors and nurses) in America who dont have access to any PPE getting infected... most recover... but some will die. Completely preventable infections and deaths.

Makes you wonder how has America gotten so bad in health. Atleast Australian government banned Chinese arrivals by the 1st of February... why didn't the American authorities do that?

[sungazer]

How much of this do you think is conspiracy theory and how much truth may there be? Personally I dont know, it was my doctor who told me about this guy. google Charles Lieber

[doc]

Atleast Australian government banned Chinese arrivals by the 1st of February... why didn't the American authorities do that?

According to the data I have seen Australia did it Feb 1, USA Feb 2. New Zealand Feb 2, Thailand March 11, South Africa March 18, Germany March 16 (just to name a handful).

It's amazing the focus I see on the USA's decision (that was one day behind Australia) while many other countries that were later (some by more than a month) are ignored.

[sungazer]

I think when dealing with the numbers from the US (because they are so big) you need to keep the normal influenza rates in the back of your mind to keep things in perspective as to gauge how much worse this is.

The normal Influenza rate is about 1 million cases and 70,000 deaths. In both cases how the deaths are reported are crucial and I hope they would use the same guidelines. Is the death reported from the Flu or from the underling condition the patient has. Its a bit like Phenomena lots of people die from it but it is not normally the root cause of becoming sick.

[marksman]

l get what you are saying sungzer but really what would the numbers be if we were not shut down

the problem we have with this germy chinese flu is we dont have immunity
if they took influenza a from the planet for 100 years and then threw it back in it would be no different than this one
and that is because the herd immunity is what keeps its fatality rate down

its not that they could not find a vaccine for sars its that sars went away and they stopped the funding
apparently 240 million has been put into finding a vaccine at the csiro, cross your fingers