The combined COVID-19 topic

[trekin]

Yep been said that it shows up without symptoms, add to that people can get reinfected is very worrying.

Well we know that the virus will infect cats and dogs. Outta quote feasible that the bat infected a cat/dog.... Did it's necessary mutation and then a Chinese person ate the infected animal.

Or the most dangerous, if birds, especially migratory birds can carry the virus.... there goes the free range chicken and egg industry (sory going offtopic)... but it could spread like the flu then.

In a way i do agree with Mark the Chinese did cover up things, but i think our was low level bureaucrats that did it to save their own skin not high level conspirasory. And there are heaps and heaps of things to learn about this virus, how it works and infects and even how it was formed.

Having antibodies to the flu, either by vacination or catching it, only reduces your chance of reinfection by 40% - 60%.

[straightshooter]

By the time any sensible statistics on infections, infection rates and deaths due to infection are available we will have moved on to the next 'crisis'.
The only indicator that will truly inform will be data on 'deaths from all causes'.
My prediction is that 'deaths from all causes' will largely conform to the same trend as preceding years because this is a statistic that is difficult to contrive.
However to fit to the current official narrative of just how deadly this corona virus is purported to be we should see noticeable numerical declines in deaths due to a variety of other causes.
Now wait for a couple of years for the data to become available.
Meanwhile just as, sadly, the virus is "the straw that breaks the camel's back" for many vulnerably already ill people so too will it be the "cause" of all the coming economic chaos that we plebs will have to endure.
And then what?

[sungazer]

Trekin I wasnt suggesting that it was started in Australia. What I was suggesting is that it could of started somewhere other than China and the normal GP hospitals wouldnt have gone into alarm mode. More to the point that they might not have even notified the Central disease control in their country.

Really in the west we are pretty laid back about these things as we tend to think it wont happen here and we are well prepared for anything that might happen.

I mean if what you had was Covid-19 then why wasn't any alarm raised? if it was identified as a sister virus to SARS it should have been. Then Australia might have been credited with detecting it first and possibly eradicating it from our shores.

[Aliqua]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailym ... ation.html

Request for international enquiry by australian foreign minister.

[TassieTiger]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233477/amp/Australias-Foreign-Minister-demands-inquiry-COVID-19-not-World-Health-Organisation.html

Request for international enquiry by australian foreign minister.

I don’t know how they could ever, in reality, come to a meaningful conclusion - documents, testing, emails, ppl can all be (and let’s face it, will be) doctored...
They can form an opinion based on info available I guess but Is that enough to do anything with ? We all know the rumours, so what is to be gained by solidifying those rumours...? I read some of the detail from the US class action - same story...reports and evidence has already been “amended” so conclusive proof is going to be difficult.

[trekin]

Trekin I wasnt suggesting that it was started in Australia. What I was suggesting is that it could of started somewhere other than China and the normal GP hospitals wouldnt have gone into alarm mode. More to the point that they might not have even notified the Central disease control in their country.

Really in the west we are pretty laid back about these things as we tend to think it wont happen here and we are well prepared for anything that might happen.

I mean if what you had was Covid-19 then why wasn't any alarm raised? if it was identified as a sister virus to SARS it should have been. Then Australia might have been credited with detecting it first and possibly eradicating it from our shores.

All good mate, yes there is a remote possibility that what you suggest could have happened.
A sister virus to the flu, is a virus that has the same symtoms as the the flu, but is not a true Influenza virus itself. There are 58 known sister viruses to the flu, including a number of corrona viruses.
As to why no alarm was raised, well personaly, I think the whole thing here on the Highlands was a total clusterfuck from the beginning,
For one, at the time, they wouldn't have known what they were looking at under the microscope,
All those who presented at the local hospital, those that it hit the worst, complained about shortness of breath, constriction of the chest, some chest pain when breathing, so the doctors started look at and treating for heat attacks, test for viruses were only done days later when the other tests returned negative, then see above,
When the number of people going to the local doctors, hit a certain number the doctors pretty much stopped testing and started saying "Oh you got Blackwater virus", and that any breathing problems was from the dust from the mines.
I don't believe they reported a cluster of an unknown virus to Q Health, as I sure know that they didn't follow protocol around reporting dust levels that may be causing respiratory problems.

[wanneroo]

In their rush to ignore and deny the fact that covid 19 was here well before the first offical case, South Aus authorities have banned the use of the antibody POCT, and other States are discouraging there use as well. The authorities say that these tests return too many false positives, that is to say that too many people who test positive to the antibody, but when tested for the actual covid 19 virus, the test return negative. These are two different tests, testing for two different things.

I'm sure a lot of this is going to be worked out in time with testing. Probably six months to a year down the road things will be much improved.

[AussieCapitalist]

I just hope a lot of red tape is cut and businesses can operate with less boot on their necks. I envision a lot more local manufacturing to occur in the near future as the world moves away from globalisation and into a more nationalistic focus. The longer business are closed the harder it will be for them to recover, so things have to open up quickly. The unions really annoy me. If you are not happy with the pay and conditions do not sign the contract. it is that easy. Start your own company if you think you can do it better, do not try to hold a company hostage by making demands.

The future looks pretty good in terms of prosperity as we have everything we need in this country to manufacture and feed ourselves. The UK imports half of their food which is horrible in times like this, where Australia only imports 6%. So all the fancy imported smelly cheese and stuff might not be available locally for awhile but I am sure one can still survive with coon or beqa.

There is a lot of money up for grabs in this country as being "Australian Made with local ingredients" and employing "Local" will be a huge marketing point in the very near future.

[trekin]

I'm sure a lot of this is going to be worked out in time with testing. Probably six months to a year down the road things will be much improved.

From waht I've seen, very few here in Aus want to even entertain the possibility that this virus could have reach here weeks before the 25 January.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Yep more so that people are not really getting tested.

[perentie]

Now its spread by farting.
https://www.dailysun.co.za/LIfestyle/co ... s-20200421

[Sergeant Hartman]

Lol that's just funny.. and he's Australian..... well actually hes pommy.

And none of the Australian media mentions him... that's sad. This could explain a new link... butt more importantly is not good news for vegan and vegetarian people... as hurts commonly known eating a vegan diet results in more farts.... gives another meaning to fart camp

[Stix]

Hell...I didnt even know there was an initial meaning to 'fart camp'...

[Sergeant Hartman]

Ahh well i could tell you... but may be the last thing you hear.. ever

[Sergeant Hartman]

Ill. just leave this picture here for Bill and I to laugh about.

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[Bill]

I hope thats aged dettol, I wouldnt drink anything less

[AussieCapitalist]

Got to love the leftist media. The left is happy to inject kids with hormones but not happy to research ingestible chemicals to kill the virus?

[Sergeant Hartman]

Lol looks like i have made another friend.... or you have changed names. Hehe

Mate its easy, why don't you drink that stuff and let us know if it works or not.

Its not the job anyone except heath experts to tell the population what they should or shouldn't do to safeguard themselves from cronavirus.

Hey i am not a chippy, and i won't tell stix how to put up a frame for a house. Even though 9/10 a frame slapped up by me will probably be standing in 10-15 years time.

[AussieCapitalist]

I am a friend of anyone mate, except communists and big government types. Nobody said to anyone what they should or should not do. He merely mentioned things that are being looked into. If washing your hands can keep the virus off your hands then looking into an ingestible type of cleaner for the body might be beneficial. You wont know until you look into it. Clearly over the counter products are not meant for human consumption and the media is making out that he is telling everyone to go and drink bleach when that is not the case.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Mate that's a very interesting point you make, unfortunately i am unable to give you an answer

[Sergeant Hartman]

That's even better...

Bring out the ultraviolet sun tan beds... they can send UV light inside the body

[sungazer]

They use UV light or have in the past to sterilize and keep medical instruments in kills bacteria and Viruses. Also used in food processing plants and canneries. Perhaps a dialysis machine could be used and run your blood through the UV. The world probably has less dialysis machines than ventilators.

[AussieCapitalist]

I just want things to reopen. The economy is never going to recover if they keep it down for to long. The death rate world wide is so low and is nothing different than usual seasons. The death rate is less than 0.5%, that is nothing considering people die all the time from a magnitude of different things. Many more people will die from the economic fallout than from the virus. We have to get the economy moving!!!!!

[Blackened]

For a while now this has been the same few people going in circles trying to turn this topic to things that it is not about.

Crap deleted.

Topic locked.