LEGISLATED road rules,,,,, ????

[Die Judicii]

DJ - it’s an undisputed fact that to get a car license in this country you have to vomit out a couple questions and pass sweet bugger all.
To get a Full motorcycle licence you have to attend at least 3 Courses.

The stats are difficult to quantify re accidents. A small accident in a car usually doesn’t involve injury, doesn’t involve police and many times, doesn’t get recorded by insurance - a bike is a bit of a different story. Yes - always going to be one offs...
In my opinion Motorcycle riders make better car drivers - situational awareness is not taught to car drivers but is mandatory to motorcycles.

As a motorcycle trainer in another life - I’ve turned away and failed so many ppl who couldn’t read English - but guess how they got to the courses? Yep - they drive their car...

So I should be right then,,,,,,, and in a box seat so to say.
I used to ride with one of the clubs during the 70s and into the late 80s
I hold a current motor vehicle license,
And also a current articulated truck license.

[Die Judicii]

I really don't understand how someone can get in a driver's seat and not automatically put a seat belt on.

It's like wearing a helmet and jacket and gloves etc on a bike. I wouldn't get on it without it all on.!

Agreed Mate,,,,,,,,,,,, It makes me shudder these days when I get passed by a motorcyclist who is wearing a helmet but then only shorts, T shirt (maybe) and thongs.

I always get a mental picture of him being scraped up and piled onto a big styrene foam tray with a label that says "Woolies Mince Meat"

[Stix]

When an officer sees somebody doing 2 mph with no belt on he does not assume that u always do 2mph And he knows that sometimes people do 100 mph ...

Haha...!!!...
BLR... You just gave me what i call, "age shivers"...

You reminded me how i once managed, with the help of a little long gentle 'down hill-ness', to get my 192/mild cam/M-20 boxed/3:36 diff'd powered EH Wagon up to the full tonne...yup...the big100mph... ....

Yep...if you've ever seen the speedo on an EH & know how quick a bored out 186 redlines,, you'll know it takes a good deal of sustained "i think i can...i think i can.....( ) to get there...


When it finally hit the mild undulation in the bridge heading south on the Londsdale freeway in the southern burbs of Adel, i had my fiirst concious episode of denial...

My permanent late teens boner lliterally let out its own audible shreak of "i want my mummy", & if for what ever reason id have had an 18mm high tensile reo rod jammed up my clacker, my sphincter would'vee sheared it off without a burr...!!!!

It occurred to me that I infact wasnt the driver i thought i was...i did indeed have to upgrade the springs & fork out the coin for that big fat front end sway bar...& i AM about to die...!!!

lmao...

Shivers i tell ya...
I just had shivers...!!!

[TassieTiger]

I think in some countries (Italy? Spain?,) - it’s mandatory to spend 12 months on a bike before applying for a car licence - and then all car drivers have to revisit that law at year 10. As you’d know, driving a car when your a motorcyclist makes you more aware of motorcycles...win win.

[targetshooter900]

I personally would not be against drivers and passengers having to wear helmets in cars.

This is a joke right. LMAO

[bladeracer]

I personally would not be against drivers and passengers having to wear helmets in cars.

This is a joke right. LMAO

Not that I can see, what do you find funny about the idea?

[Stix]

I personally would not be against drivers and passengers having to wear helmets in cars.

This is a joke right. LMAO

Not that I can see, what do you find funny about the idea?

Well, with respect...while i appreciate the motives behind the thought, i too find it a joke...

An idea like this in the hands of the Govt wont be about safety, it will purely be about convincing citizens they are too stupid to think for themselves, & so we'll add in another entire lot of 3 teir legislation, regs & administration, along with exorbidant expiation structure to fund the totalitarian style of law enforcing (not to mention, poorly run, exorbitantly priced, outsourced administration), & all for saving, well, maybe, 5-10 lives a year...AT BEST...!!...? ...

...NO...!!...all because we can, & we need to exploit another way to generate further funds to cover & justify our inadequate ability to Govern in such a way as to "be there for the people," rather than use Governing as a means to be there for our individual egos.

To put it another way, an idea like this will be just like the "Save the river Murray levvy" we have here in SA...not a cent will go the cause...it will be purely a boost to financing the already over zealous ego run budget, & be bumped up every time the ALP gain power to help lower the unemployment stats by way of funding more unnecessary "public service" jobs.

Sorry to be a stick in the mud...err...i mean a realist....

[bladeracer]

I personally would not be against drivers and passengers having to wear helmets in cars.

This is a joke right. LMAO

Not that I can see, what do you find funny about the idea?

Well, with respect...while i appreciate the motives behind the thought, i too find it a joke...

An idea like this in the hands of the Govt wont be about safety, it will purely be about convincing citizens they are too stupid to think for themselves, & so we'll add in another entire lot of 3 teir legislation, regs & administration, along with exorbidant expiation structure to fund the totalitarian style of law enforcing (not to mention, poorly run, exorbitantly priced, outsourced administration), & all for saving, well, maybe, 5-10 lives a year...AT BEST...!!...? ...

...NO...!!...all because we can, & we need to exploit another way to generate further funds to cover & justify our inadequate ability to Govern in such a way as to "be there for the people," rather than use Governing as a means to be there for our individual egos.

To put it another way, an idea like this will be just like the "Save the river Murray levvy" we have here in SA...not a cent will go the cause...it will be purely a boost to financing the already over zealous ego run budget, & be bumped up every time the ALP gain power to help lower the unemployment stats by way of funding more unnecessary "public service" jobs.

Sorry to be a stick in the mud...err...i mean a realist....

I agree with you, helmets should not be mandatory, it should be personal choice based on being offered as much information as possible on which to make your own decisions. I always wore full race leather on a bike, I wouldn't be pushing for it to be mandatory. But it has to be remembered that we have Medicare for all, so morons that suffer brain injuries due to their poor choices are a burden on all taxpayers.

[TassieTiger]

If govt was 100% serious about road toll - why do even basic family vehicles have the capability of reaching over 200kmh? In this day and age - a chipset could easily limit vehicles to say 120 kmh and further - why do family cars need 0-100 performance? Why aren’t diff Ratios insanely high for economy based performance ?
Well, I think it’s Because - speeding fines are such a huge contribution to coffers...
Yep it would be easy to circumvent a chipset but shet you’d stand out...even further - why don’t modern cars have gps based speed zone limiting, meaning your car oils to do 50 in a 40 zone during school and crap like that - it is pocket change in $$...

[Stix]

I personally would not be against drivers and passengers having to wear helmets in cars.

This is a joke right. LMAO

Not that I can see, what do you find funny about the idea?

Well, with respect...while i appreciate the motives behind the thought, i too find it a joke...

An idea like this in the hands of the Govt wont be about safety, it will purely be about convincing citizens they are too stupid to think for themselves, & so we'll add in another entire lot of 3 teir legislation, regs & administration, along with exorbidant expiation structure to fund the totalitarian style of law enforcing (not to mention, poorly run, exorbitantly priced, outsourced administration), & all for saving, well, maybe, 5-10 lives a year...AT BEST...!!...? ...

...NO...!!...all because we can, & we need to exploit another way to generate further funds to cover & justify our inadequate ability to Govern in such a way as to "be there for the people," rather than use Governing as a means to be there for our individual egos.

To put it another way, an idea like this will be just like the "Save the river Murray levvy" we have here in SA...not a cent will go the cause...it will be purely a boost to financing the already over zealous ego run budget, & be bumped up every time the ALP gain power to help lower the unemployment stats by way of funding more unnecessary "public service" jobs.

Sorry to be a stick in the mud...err...i mean a realist....

Blade said I agree with you, helmets should not be mandatory, it should be personal choice based on being offered as much information as possible on which to make your own decisions. I always wore full race leather on a bike, I wouldn't be pushing for it to be mandatory. But it has to be remembered that we have Medicare for all, so morons that suffer brain injuries due to their poor choices are a burden on all taxpayers.[/quote]

Blade...i think that is a fault of the legal side of things...

So i think you are right, in that it shouldnt be a bill for the tax payer, it should be a mandated thing that is balanced & mitigated in the judicial system...

But we need for things to be transparent here...
Like that of the old adage with smokers...

One of the reasons we are seeing such pressures on the medicare system is due to the lack of smokers we see every day...
It was once frowned upon (still is) to be a smoker & receive free medical treatment, but the average non-smoking punter didnt/doesnt realise its the smokers paying exorbidant tax that pays for the medical bills of the fat sugar loving diabetic obese food lover that refuses to do anything about their own impulse control...& Mcdonalds & Hungry's pay little tax & hold no responsibility...

Transparency & rightful laws accross the board is what we lack...

Sorry...bit ranty & way off kilter there...

[Member-Deleted]

If govt was 100% serious about road toll - why do even basic family vehicles have the capability of reaching over 200kmh? In this day and age - a chipset could easily limit vehicles to say 120 kmh and further - why do family cars need 0-100 performance? Why aren’t diff Ratios insanely high for economy based performance ?
Well, I think it’s Because - speeding fines are such a huge contribution to coffers...
Yep it would be easy to circumvent a chipset but shet you’d stand out...even further - why don’t modern cars have gps based speed zone limiting, meaning your car oils to do 50 in a 40 zone during school and crap like that - it is pocket change in $$...

This will happen in the future...

And you will be the first to scream blue murder.

I predict there will then be a thread about it on EG... and it will turn to s**t

[TassieTiger]

If govt was 100% serious about road toll - why do even basic family vehicles have the capability of reaching over 200kmh? In this day and age - a chipset could easily limit vehicles to say 120 kmh and further - why do family cars need 0-100 performance? Why aren’t diff Ratios insanely high for economy based performance ?
Well, I think it’s Because - speeding fines are such a huge contribution to coffers...
Yep it would be easy to circumvent a chipset but shet you’d stand out...even further - why don’t modern cars have gps based speed zone limiting, meaning your car oils to do 50 in a 40 zone during school and crap like that - it is pocket change in $$...

This will happen in the future...

And you will be the first to scream blue murder.

I predict there will then be a thread about it on EG... and it will turn to s**t

Yes, I will be screaming blue murder - as you apparently and quite happily It appears, bend over and enjoy it all the way home from your govt friends lol. I’m going to guess you’d get on well with uncle Kim Jong.
See you in the slow lane lol.

[Member-Deleted]

If govt was 100% serious about road toll - why do even basic family vehicles have the capability of reaching over 200kmh? In this day and age - a chipset could easily limit vehicles to say 120 kmh and further - why do family cars need 0-100 performance? Why aren’t diff Ratios insanely high for economy based performance ?
Well, I think it’s Because - speeding fines are such a huge contribution to coffers...
Yep it would be easy to circumvent a chipset but shet you’d stand out...even further - why don’t modern cars have gps based speed zone limiting, meaning your car oils to do 50 in a 40 zone during school and crap like that - it is pocket change in $$...

This will happen in the future...

And you will be the first to scream blue murder.

I predict there will then be a thread about it on EG... and it will turn to s**t

Yes, I will be screaming blue murder - as you apparently and quite happily It appears, bend over and enjoy it all the way home from your govt friends lol. I’m going to guess you’d get on well with uncle Kim Jong.
See you in the slow lane lol.

You really think I’m a communist hey? Just because we disagree on stuff

You’ll be right mate. You don’t have cars in Tassie yet do you?

What’s the speedo on your horse and cart top out at

[TassieTiger]

No, I don’t think your a communist - but I don’t take to the position that if the govt says so, it must be right. I’m not a unionist but I strongly value what our forefathers fought for and I don’t take lightly to pissing away their efforts.
They (the govt) work for the people and they make mistakes - and, there are numerous avenues to redress those mistakes...I’ve used many of them personally.

We used to be able to do 60 on our horses, but too many human sheep did nothing when the govt put our speed limit to 10 - so no our horses get fined on a daily basis.

I’ve posted this previously, but for your benefit and evidence as to how mis informed govt reps get things wrong - so wrong, some are just down right hilarious.

About 2-3 years ago now, a prominent politician protested and lobbied the closure of a local curvy road - to motorcyclists. She demanded that police hit the area hard and speed check every bike. The fact was, this road (grass tree hill) was loved by bikes, it was 80kmh but the fastest you could safely do was about 70 ish.
She was livid when the police didn’t stop the bikes using the roads and she took a motion to parliament and in her speech she said -“ these motorcyclists are leaning their bikes over to go around the corners, it’s an unsafe practice and it has to be stamped out. “

The problem? About 85% of the sitting members agreed with her and it took days before someone actually rebutted saying - you do realise motorcyclists HAVE to lean over to go round corners...just one example of thousands.

[Member-Deleted]

No, I don’t think your a communist - but I don’t take to the position that if the govt says so, it must be right. I’m not a unionist but I strongly value what our forefathers fought for and I don’t take lightly to pissing away their efforts.
They (the govt) work for the people and they make mistakes - and, there are numerous avenues to redress those mistakes...I’ve used many of them personally.

We used to be able to do 60 on our horses, but too many human sheep did nothing when the govt put our speed limit to 10 - so no our horses get fined on a daily basis.

I’ve posted this previously, but for your benefit and evidence as to how mis informed govt reps get things wrong - so wrong, some are just down right hilarious.

About 2-3 years ago now, a prominent politician protested and lobbied the closure of a local curvy road - to motorcyclists. She demanded that police hit the area hard and speed check every bike. The fact was, this road (grass tree hill) was loved by bikes, it was 80kmh but the fastest you could safely do was about 70 ish.
She was livid when the police didn’t stop the bikes using the roads and she took a motion to parliament and in her speech she said -“ these motorcyclists are leaning their bikes over to go around the corners, it’s an unsafe practice and it has to be stamped out. “

The problem? About 85% of the sitting members agreed with her and it took days before someone actually rebutted saying - you do realise motorcyclists HAVE to lean over to go round corners...just one example of thousands.

Mate I don’t believe what the gov says is right either. It’s far from right. Most of them are there feeding their snouts with incredibly short sighted views.
The laws are there for various reasons. We can all fight for change and it might help. But rules are rules and we have to abide by the ones that stand and relate to us.
I was in the ETU for over 20 years. It used to be a great movement until little Johnny f***ed it with his workchoice crap. I watched those laws turn unions back into the thugs they were back in the BLF days. I’m glad I don’t have to deal with them any more.

As for grasstree hill. I know the road your talking. It’s between glenorchy and Richmond. My bro used to live in sunny Moonah. Great little bit of road. Never done it on a bike but I’d love to drag a knee around there one day

[yoshie]

Goldwings should have seat belts, they have air bags, AirCon, stereos and reverse gears.

[SAnewb85]

There is a huge difference between a car crash and a bike crash.

In a car, you have crumple zones, seatbelts and airbags.
On a bike you have absolutely nothing but a helmet and jacket.

Its safer 90% of the time to be held securely in the car, whereas its probably safer to be thrown off a bike and slide/roll away from the impact.

I've been lucky enough to have never had a serious bike accident but I know plenty of people who have and who would've most likely died as a result of their relatively minor accidents had they been attached to the bike.

**As for cars being limited to 120km/h, that's absolute nonsense.

In so many cases its not actually speed that is the issue, it's absolutely piss poor driver training, poorly maintained vehicles and an absolute disregard for the consequences of distracted driving.

The fines and consequences for DUI/Drug driving, using your phone/putting make up on/eating breakfast etc while driving should be massive.

Learners need proper training for when the sh1t hits the fan. there needs to be regular 5-10yrs retesting to keep your license and i think that as people get older 65-70yrs old they need to be tested every 2 years.

There was a guy in Adelaide who was arrested for over 60 speeding fines of at least double the speed limit on a motorbike.
The press conference said the usual speed kills bs, yet old mate proved that speed isn't necessarily the issue as he hasn't died yet, after months of "excessive" speed. Food for thought

[bladeracer]

There is a huge difference between a car crash and a bike crash.

In a car, you have crumple zones, seatbelts and airbags.
On a bike you have absolutely nothing but a helmet and jacket.

Its safer 90% of the time to be held securely in the car, whereas its probably safer to be thrown off a bike and slide/roll away from the impact.

I've been lucky enough to have never had a serious bike accident but I know plenty of people who have and who would've most likely died as a result of their relatively minor accidents had they been attached to the bike.

**As for cars being limited to 120km/h, that's absolute nonsense.

In so many cases its not actually speed that is the issue, it's absolutely piss poor driver training, poorly maintained vehicles and an absolute disregard for the consequences of distracted driving.

The fines and consequences for DUI/Drug driving, using your phone/putting make up on/eating breakfast etc while driving should be massive.

Learners need proper training for when the sh1t hits the fan. there needs to be regular 5-10yrs retesting to keep your license and i think that as people get older 65-70yrs old they need to be tested every 2 years.

There was a guy in Adelaide who was arrested for over 60 speeding fines of at least double the speed limit on a motorbike.
The press conference said the usual speed kills bs, yet old mate proved that speed isn't necessarily the issue as he hasn't died yet, after months of "excessive" speed. Food for thought

I've had 31 bike crashes on road and track, no car crashes. I would still prefer to crash a bike than a car.

[SAnewb85]

@bladeracer Agreed mate.