Any covid unemployed thinking about fruit/veggie picking ?

[Member-Deleted]

Fun Fact: I was once offered a "job" driving hookers around to meet their John's and make sure no harm came to them. In exchange I would be allowed to park my car in the underground parking garage and sleep in it. Lady was offended I called that offer dodgy .

I was offered the same a while back haha, was sitting in my HSV Clubby at inner city car park and was approached by a sleazy looking bloke with the typical lebbo jewellery cheap tacky gold looking chains and all that.

anyways I was earning over 100k per annum at the time and he wanted to offer me the irresistible about of 35k a year for this easy gig...

I told him to leave... peon.

I wasn't even offered a salary :p just the underground car space

[Ziege]

Fun Fact: I was once offered a "job" driving hookers around to meet their John's and make sure no harm came to them. In exchange I would be allowed to park my car in the underground parking garage and sleep in it. Lady was offended I called that offer dodgy .

It’s all in the attitude - I’d call that an opportunity...
if I was trying to buy a new sako, rubber for the track bike, Xmas presents for kids, save for a night out, hell - put food on the table...there isn’t a lot I wouldn’t do.
Apparently (wink) - most of those girls are A sad they are in that line of work to start with (oh the irony)...B happy to talk / be friend the man that is in-effect looking out for them...C 98% driver stays in car doing sfa other than looking at phone.

My mother was a hooker... she... is a piece of work. s**t root too

Pretty sure my cousins (three of them) mother was a hooker, couldn't imagine having a hooker as a mum, but then depends, one of the single mothers at my kids last school was a hooker, she didn't look to amazing, but she was a hooker none the less.

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When it came out no one was surprised, no one was shocked, no one freaked about it, I think nowadays with so many single mothers giving it out on a daily for Meth its not really shocking that someone Not on drugs would charge for it... still not my Cup of tea.

[TassieTiger]

In some situations - being married / having a GF, is almost the same thing without the acknowledgment lol.

[Member-Deleted]

When it came out no one was surprised, no one was shocked, no one freaked about it, I think nowadays with so many single mothers giving it out on a daily for Meth its not really shocking that someone Not on drugs would charge for it... still not my Cup of tea.

The amount of sex workers has increased dramatically with things like "sugar babies" and onlyfans. Most girls in general will have been through so much dick anyway just casually tinder dating by the time they reach 30 a lot of hookers would be thinking "damn... what a whore.."

[Member-Deleted]

In some situations - being married / having a GF, is almost the same thing without the acknowledgment lol.

Relationships and marriage are prostitution. Last time I went over this the forum had a melt down . But at least when you're in a relationship or marriage you believe you're her only partner.

[Ziege]

When it came out no one was surprised, no one was shocked, no one freaked about it, I think nowadays with so many single mothers giving it out on a daily for Meth its not really shocking that someone Not on drugs would charge for it... still not my Cup of tea.

The amount of sex workers has increased dramatically with things like "sugar babies" and onlyfans. Most girls in general will have been through so much dick anyway just casually tinder dating by the time they reach 30 a lot of hookers would be thinking "damn... what a whore.."

My last GF I was her 3rd intimate partner, she hasn't moved on, My current GF I am her 2nd partner.

I personally won't be with a woman who has been with a lot of guys or has had a "casual" sex life. Its gross and call me sexist but they're nothing more than a bucket of used cum when I look at them, I've got mates that think I'm being unreasonable with that attitude but it's impossible for such women to have an honest life with a man.

[Member-Deleted]

When it came out no one was surprised, no one was shocked, no one freaked about it, I think nowadays with so many single mothers giving it out on a daily for Meth its not really shocking that someone Not on drugs would charge for it... still not my Cup of tea.

The amount of sex workers has increased dramatically with things like "sugar babies" and onlyfans. Most girls in general will have been through so much dick anyway just casually tinder dating by the time they reach 30 a lot of hookers would be thinking "damn... what a whore.."

My last GF I was her 3rd intimate partner, she hasn't moved on, My current GF I am her 2nd partner.

I personally won't be with a woman who has been with a lot of guys or has had a "casual" sex life. Its gross and call me sexist but they're nothing more than a bucked of used cum when I look at them, I've got mates that think I'm being unreasonable with that attitude but it's impossible for such women to have an honest life with a man.

I'd back you any day of the week with that assertion/opinion, and twice on Sunday!

[TassieTiger]

When it came out no one was surprised, no one was shocked, no one freaked about it, I think nowadays with so many single mothers giving it out on a daily for Meth its not really shocking that someone Not on drugs would charge for it... still not my Cup of tea.

The amount of sex workers has increased dramatically with things like "sugar babies" and onlyfans. Most girls in general will have been through so much dick anyway just casually tinder dating by the time they reach 30 a lot of hookers would be thinking "damn... what a whore.."

My last GF I was her 3rd intimate partner, she hasn't moved on, My current GF I am her 2nd partner.

I personally won't be with a woman who has been with a lot of guys or has had a "casual" sex life. Its gross and call me sexist but they're nothing more than a bucket of used cum when I look at them, I've got mates that think I'm being unreasonable with that attitude but it's impossible for such women to have an honest life with a man.

And if you think a woman is telling you her “true” no, come buy a bridge from me...you’d not have a clue.

[Ziege]

haha perhaps, in any case, I have had the opportunity to be with some truly stunning women, one friend of mine from highschool wanted to date me, she went as far as hitting me up after buying something off me online just to get me around her house, she is stunning, but she has had 15 football teams through that gash so no fkn way. another chick who I dated when I was 17 went on to have more than 148 guys the following year, all cos she could.

[Member-Deleted]

I'll never be kissing another woman. Just never know where she has been XD can't take their word for it either.

[Ziege]

There is a study out there that shows that women find it something like 70 or 80% harder to commit in a relationship after having sex with one guy then ceasing the relationship, this compounds more with every guy they F#ck, so a woman who has had 3 or more sexual partners is likely going to be fickle, or a cheater or both. this is definitely my experience, that aside I am done forever with western females, they are all selfish, entitled, fickle, lazy, do not commit (relationship is always 100% one sided), leave as soon as things are difficult (sadly blokes here are also getting this pathetic too), make no compromises, show no empathy, have no maternal instinct, use and neglect their partners, and the list just goes on and on and on.....

when I was practicing counselling, I would have this s**t in my face constantly, so people don't act like I am just being bitter, guys aren't completely innocent in it either, guys are complicit in it, they condone the behaviour and guys that use girls/women are to blame for at least some of the attitudes and pathetic natures of these women.

the biggest contributing factor is broken homes, and unfortunately broken homes breed more broken homes.

[Member-Deleted]

Yeah the pair bonding mechanism women have goes to s**t the more guys she's with.

[Farmerpete]

B.W.C.
In response
1. Yes both our arguments are anecdotal but mine are based on MY experience, yours seem to be based on a friend of a friend's experience.

2. I have done every job on my farm more than once my job as a kid to earn pocket money was pulling weeds out of peanuts. Even if i employed backpackers i still have to be there supervising why wouldn't i chip in and get the job done quicker?

3 all employees must be given the opportunity to earn minimum wage 24.86/h even on peice rate

4 I'll leave that

5 a lot of aboriginals are in prison for theft... all aboriginals are criminals. This is your argument?

Lastly I don't have time to watch a 45 minute video on YouTube and if I did i wouldn't be watching something about job placement... you must have to much time on your hands.

[Member-Deleted]

B.W.C.
In response
1. Yes both our arguments are anecdotal but mine are based on MY experience, yours seem to be based on a friend of a friend's experience.

2. I have done every job on my farm more than once my job as a kid to earn pocket money was pulling weeds out of peanuts. Even if i employed backpackers i still have to be there supervising why wouldn't i chip in and get the job done quicker?

3 all employees must be given the opportunity to earn minimum wage 24.86/h even on peice rate

4 I'll leave that

5 a lot of aboriginals are in prison for theft... all aboriginals are criminals. This is your argument?

Lastly I don't have time to watch a 45 minute video on YouTube and if I did i wouldn't be watching something about job placement... you must have to much time on your hands.

1. Just totally ignore what I said then.

2. "Chipping in" isn't what I asked.

3. Great.

4. So will I, I don't recall what you're leaving.

5. There's almost always room for people who the reputations don't fit, but the industry from bottom to top has earned the reputation and been complicit in it's exploitative behaviour. I have addressed that I've met people that have worked for good farmers, I myself am one of those people. Nice race bait, but a poor attempt at putting words in my mouth.

Finally, it's always convenient when people don't have the time to look at evidence when it is presented, you're line of "I don't have time to watch your video because I have work you unlike you pleb" has been tried and tried, but it's utter bulls**t and a very common excuse. I called someone out on it just the other day before he even had a chance to use it. I do have time to do study and research, especially when I'm employed full time. It's just a hobby I guess, but I consider mandatory. I'm currently in the process of moving but I still have time. So say what you want to say, but when it come to this instance, but I taking everything with a jar of salt.

[TassieTiger]

B.W.C.
In response
1. Yes both our arguments are anecdotal but mine are based on MY experience, yours seem to be based on a friend of a friend's experience.

2. I have done every job on my farm more than once my job as a kid to earn pocket money was pulling weeds out of peanuts. Even if i employed backpackers i still have to be there supervising why wouldn't i chip in and get the job done quicker?

3 all employees must be given the opportunity to earn minimum wage 24.86/h even on peice rate

4 I'll leave that

5 a lot of aboriginals are in prison for theft... all aboriginals are criminals. This is your argument?

Lastly I don't have time to watch a 45 minute video on YouTube and if I did i wouldn't be watching something about job placement... you must have to much time on your hands.

1. Just totally ignore what I said then.

2. "Chipping in" isn't what I asked.

3. Great.

4. So will I, I don't recall what you're leaving.

5. There's almost always room for people who the reputations don't fit, but the industry from bottom to top has earned the reputation and been complicit in it's exploitative behaviour. I have addressed that I've met people that have worked for good farmers, I myself am one of those people. Nice race bait, but a poor attempt at putting words in my mouth.

Finally, it's always convenient when people don't have the time to look at evidence when it is presented, you're line of "I don't have time to watch your video because I have work you unlike you pleb" has been tried and tried, but it's utter bulls**t and a very common excuse. I called someone out on it just the other day before he even had a chance to use it. I do have time to do study and research, especially when I'm employed full time. It's just a hobby I guess, but I consider mandatory. I'm currently in the process of moving but I still have time. So say what you want to say, but when it come to this instance, but I taking everything with a jar of salt.

There’s not an industry out there that has not got some level of negative employee feedback - hell, if you look at glass ceiling feedback - no one would take a job ever lol.

BWC - farmer offered up his real world experience in an attempt to help your thread - the one you asked for info about - to them tell him his wrong to not watch a 45 min video to try snd support your heresay arguments ? Ummm...yeah, no.
I doubt anyone full time employed has time to watch a 20 min video or even a 10 min for that point.
Moving house is your time, working is the bosses time.

[Member-Deleted]

There’s not an industry out there that has not got some level of negative employee feedback - hell, if you look at glass ceiling feedback - no one would take a job ever lol.

BWC - farmer offered up his real world experience in an attempt to help your thread - the one you asked for info about - to them tell him his wrong to not watch a 45 min video to try snd support your heresay arguments ? Ummm...yeah, no.
I doubt anyone full time employed has time to watch a 20 min video or even a 10 min for that point.
Moving house is your time, working is the bosses time.

I know, but the agri/horti industry stands out above the rest. That is from real world experience as a worker, not a boss. I'm not spouting conspiracies here, these are the experiences of myself and people I've met. I can also back it up with journalist investigations (not always reliable though more likely to encourage people to do the work rather than dissuade them), YouTube videos of backpackers talking about their experiences so other backpackers have an idea of what they are getting into, also the fair work ombudsman has some sections that talk about it. What I'm saying isn't just falling out the sky, and it's not just people upset about being let go writing nasty reviews.

He did, but also accused me of providing misinformation, which is not true, so I defended myself. This thread was more for the lol's than anything. I was going to mention how it may be a good opportunity if you're going to do it and capable of doing it well to talk to the farmer about doing some shooting after the harvest, it's getting to be that time that's prime for pig shooting so I hear.

If he doesn't want to watch it, just say that, if he's got better things to do, just say that. Don't come back at me for providing evidence by saying "I don't have the time because I actually work unlike you", you're not talking to someone who has been unemployed all his life and doesn't have a clue. It's a snarky evasive comment intended to incite and have a dig. I called him out on it. Full time people do have time before work or after work. There are a few exceptions but for the most part people have time.

[cz515]

B.W.C.
In response
1. Yes both our arguments are anecdotal but mine are based on MY experience, yours seem to be based on a friend of a friend's experience.

2. I have done every job on my farm more than once my job as a kid to earn pocket money was pulling weeds out of peanuts. Even if i employed backpackers i still have to be there supervising why wouldn't i chip in and get the job done quicker?

3 all employees must be given the opportunity to earn minimum wage 24.86/h even on peice rate

4 I'll leave that

5 a lot of aboriginals are in prison for theft... all aboriginals are criminals. This is your argument?

Lastly I don't have time to watch a 45 minute video on YouTube and if I did i wouldn't be watching something about job placement... you must have to much time on your hands.

Don't worry mate, its the attitude.... probably one of the bigger reasons he doesn't have a job. He wil end up getting a job at a council or government

[Member-Deleted]

B.W.C.
In response
1. Yes both our arguments are anecdotal but mine are based on MY experience, yours seem to be based on a friend of a friend's experience.

2. I have done every job on my farm more than once my job as a kid to earn pocket money was pulling weeds out of peanuts. Even if i employed backpackers i still have to be there supervising why wouldn't i chip in and get the job done quicker?

3 all employees must be given the opportunity to earn minimum wage 24.86/h even on peice rate

4 I'll leave that

5 a lot of aboriginals are in prison for theft... all aboriginals are criminals. This is your argument?

Lastly I don't have time to watch a 45 minute video on YouTube and if I did i wouldn't be watching something about job placement... you must have to much time on your hands.

Don't worry mate, its the attitude.... probably one of the bigger reasons he doesn't have a job. He wil end up getting a job at a council or government

yes sensei! You are the knower of all.

[Ziege]

I will say this unapologetically, Most Farmers are more than behind the times when it comes to understanding the cost of labour and trades these days, The attitudes I get from Farmers when I have built them a shed for less than ALL of the regional competitors, they came to ME to do it (although not my main income) because they wanted to skimp out on paying the industry standard costs, but even then they have a whinge. When I or my old boy hire offsiders, we have to pay them at least $40 per hour (thats the rock bottom sometimes its over $80 per hour) I work most of my jobs out on a very generous rate considering most of my sheds are solid steel Welded and bolted (no roll form widespan garbage) that gantry's and other heavy cranes etc can be easily and safely mounted in, I still do these cheaper per m2 than what the widespan garbage usually comes out at.

farmers always act like you've ripped them off, it takes between 3 to 6 months to get partial payment and full payment sometimes takes years. So I have raised my prices again, f*** them, they can pay others the full rate or me at 6% under the competitor instead of nearly 40% below the competitors like I used to offer, my time is rarely renumerated properly in these jobs, as someone who used to get $80 an hour for non trade specific work, when doing my usual gig I would make well beyond that consistently. Had these farmers had to pay the rates the rest of the world did then they would really be whinging.

But that's not the most unreasonable part, they are happy to pay the Vet for the preg testing, they are paying the shearing contractors their fees, they are paying their fertilizer and chemical costs at the ag supplies, they pay the car dealerships for their new toyotas and they pay their mechanics their going rate, they pay their rates, they pay all the other s**t that is expected and reasonable like every other kind of person has to. but when it comes to trades like construction, concrete, asphalt, carpentry, pest controllers, data and phone tradesmen, sparkies, plumbers, etc etc they all act like theyve had their throats cut. I say f*** off and f*** yaself to that.

[Shootermick]

I will say this unapologetically, Most Farmers are more than behind the times when it comes to understanding the cost of labour and trades these days, The attitudes I get from Farmers when I have built them a shed for less than ALL of the regional competitors, they came to ME to do it (although not my main income) because they wanted to skimp out on paying the industry standard costs, but even then they have a whinge. When I or my old boy hire offsiders, we have to pay them at least $40 per hour (thats the rock bottom sometimes its over $80 per hour) I work most of my jobs out on a very generous rate considering most of my sheds are solid steel Welded and bolted (no roll form widespan garbage) that gantry's and other heavy cranes etc can be easily and safely mounted in, I still do these cheaper per m2 than what the widespan garbage usually comes out at.

farmers always act like you've ripped them off, it takes between 3 to 6 months to get partial payment and full payment sometimes takes years. So I have raised my prices again, f*** them, they can pay others the full rate or me at 6% under the competitor instead of nearly 40% below the competitors like I used to offer, my time is rarely renumerated properly in these jobs, as someone who used to get $80 an hour for non trade specific work, when doing my usual gig I would make well beyond that consistently. Had these farmers had to pay the rates the rest of the world did then they would really be whinging.

But that's not the most unreasonable part, they are happy to pay the Vet for the preg testing, they are paying the shearing contractors their fees, they are paying their fertilizer and chemical costs at the ag supplies, they pay the car dealerships for their new toyotas and they pay their mechanics their going rate, they pay their rates, they pay all the other s**t that is expected and reasonable like every other kind of person has to. but when it comes to trades like construction, concrete, asphalt, carpentry, pest controllers, data and phone tradesmen, sparkies, plumbers, etc etc they all act like theyve had their throats cut. I say f*** off and f*** yaself to that.

Don’t be in a hurry to ask a farmer if you can shoot on his land then.

[Ziege]

I will say this unapologetically, Most Farmers are more than behind the times when it comes to understanding the cost of labour and trades these days, The attitudes I get from Farmers when I have built them a shed for less than ALL of the regional competitors, they came to ME to do it (although not my main income) because they wanted to skimp out on paying the industry standard costs, but even then they have a whinge. When I or my old boy hire offsiders, we have to pay them at least $40 per hour (thats the rock bottom sometimes its over $80 per hour) I work most of my jobs out on a very generous rate considering most of my sheds are solid steel Welded and bolted (no roll form widespan garbage) that gantry's and other heavy cranes etc can be easily and safely mounted in, I still do these cheaper per m2 than what the widespan garbage usually comes out at.

farmers always act like you've ripped them off, it takes between 3 to 6 months to get partial payment and full payment sometimes takes years. So I have raised my prices again, f*** them, they can pay others the full rate or me at 6% under the competitor instead of nearly 40% below the competitors like I used to offer, my time is rarely renumerated properly in these jobs, as someone who used to get $80 an hour for non trade specific work, when doing my usual gig I would make well beyond that consistently. Had these farmers had to pay the rates the rest of the world did then they would really be whinging.

But that's not the most unreasonable part, they are happy to pay the Vet for the preg testing, they are paying the shearing contractors their fees, they are paying their fertilizer and chemical costs at the ag supplies, they pay the car dealerships for their new toyotas and they pay their mechanics their going rate, they pay their rates, they pay all the other s**t that is expected and reasonable like every other kind of person has to. but when it comes to trades like construction, concrete, asphalt, carpentry, pest controllers, data and phone tradesmen, sparkies, plumbers, etc etc they all act like theyve had their throats cut. I say f*** off and f*** yaself to that.

Don’t be in a hurry to ask a farmer if you can shoot on his land then.

I'm not, With well in excess of 6 million acres at my disposal including over 70,000 acres within 10 mins drive of my house I think I will be fine.

plus f*** them, there are only 2 farmers that I'm not related to that have ever just paid the bill without making a laundry list of excuses why they aren't paying me meanwhile they are paying all their other creditors. so f*** them.

[Member-Deleted]

I will say this unapologetically, Most Farmers are more than behind the times when it comes to understanding the cost of labour and trades these days, The attitudes I get from Farmers when I have built them a shed for less than ALL of the regional competitors, they came to ME to do it (although not my main income) because they wanted to skimp out on paying the industry standard costs, but even then they have a whinge. When I or my old boy hire offsiders, we have to pay them at least $40 per hour (thats the rock bottom sometimes its over $80 per hour) I work most of my jobs out on a very generous rate considering most of my sheds are solid steel Welded and bolted (no roll form widespan garbage) that gantry's and other heavy cranes etc can be easily and safely mounted in, I still do these cheaper per m2 than what the widespan garbage usually comes out at.

farmers always act like you've ripped them off, it takes between 3 to 6 months to get partial payment and full payment sometimes takes years. So I have raised my prices again, f*** them, they can pay others the full rate or me at 6% under the competitor instead of nearly 40% below the competitors like I used to offer, my time is rarely renumerated properly in these jobs, as someone who used to get $80 an hour for non trade specific work, when doing my usual gig I would make well beyond that consistently. Had these farmers had to pay the rates the rest of the world did then they would really be whinging.

But that's not the most unreasonable part, they are happy to pay the Vet for the preg testing, they are paying the shearing contractors their fees, they are paying their fertilizer and chemical costs at the ag supplies, they pay the car dealerships for their new toyotas and they pay their mechanics their going rate, they pay their rates, they pay all the other s**t that is expected and reasonable like every other kind of person has to. but when it comes to trades like construction, concrete, asphalt, carpentry, pest controllers, data and phone tradesmen, sparkies, plumbers, etc etc they all act like theyve had their throats cut. I say f*** off and f*** yaself to that.

Damn, I can't say I've ever had to do any trade work on-site for a farmer, I've built locks and such for one guy without much issue. I'd imagine most people would try to hassle the price lower with tradies, a lot of people say tradie prices are a rort. Locksmithing is one of those things where they can't really stand around and argue the price, because if they leave, chances are you're f***ed. Also, not many people have the gall to ****** someone who knows where they live and how to get into their home :p.

[Ziege]

Damn, I can't say I've ever had to do any trade work on-site for a farmer, I've built locks and such for one guy without much issue. I'd imagine most people would try to hassle the price lower with tradies, a lot of people say tradie prices are a rort. Locksmithing is one of those things where they can't really stand around and argue the price, because if they leave, chances are you're f***ed. Also, not many people have the gall to ****** someone who knows where they live and how to get into their home :p.

My jobs are an agreed price before commencement. its not like they don't know that they have to pay what the job costs, its not like they don't know what its going to cost them.

its more that they think they can treat you like a personal loan without interest. its disgusting behaviour, they're not alone in it, plenty of businesses do it to trades (hence cost of trades), but farmers are far ahead as the worst for it.

I wouldn't care if they were paying it off balancing their debts, but when you KNOW they are paying their other bill in FULL, its nothing short of complete and utter insult.

[Member-Deleted]

My jobs are an agreed price before commencement. its not like they don't know that they have to pay what the job costs, its not like they don't know what its going to cost them.

its more that they think they can treat you like a personal loan without interest. its disgusting behaviour, they're not alone in it, plenty of businesses do it to trades (hence cost of trades), but farmers are far ahead as the worst for it.

I wouldn't care if they were paying it off balancing their debts, but when you KNOW they are paying their other bill in FULL, its nothing short of complete and utter insult.

I've never owned a business so I'm unsure of what you can do exactly, but I'm guessing you take a decent deposit before hand? Have their credit card on file, then depending on the cost price, have them agree to a certain time period to pay it off, then maybe at late fees of a certain percent of the cost, every month?

[Ziege]

My jobs are an agreed price before commencement. its not like they don't know that they have to pay what the job costs, its not like they don't know what its going to cost them.

its more that they think they can treat you like a personal loan without interest. its disgusting behaviour, they're not alone in it, plenty of businesses do it to trades (hence cost of trades), but farmers are far ahead as the worst for it.

I wouldn't care if they were paying it off balancing their debts, but when you KNOW they are paying their other bill in FULL, its nothing short of complete and utter insult.

I've never owned a business so I'm unsure of what you can do exactly, but I'm guessing you take a decent deposit before hand? Have their credit card on file, then depending on the cost price, have them agree to a certain time period to pay it off, then maybe at late fees of a certain percent of the cost, every month?

Yeah we have purchase orders and all that but under law these are seen as civil undertakings not 1000% iron clad orders. Issue is going to court costs your profit margin. so thats the major hold up with pursuing it... best bet in towns like this is to wait till there is a public/community event and spread the word while you are present to add rebuttal, the shame of being called out as a piece of s**t that doesn't pay your bills usually is enough pressure in a community where keeping up appearances is everything.

Issue is having to go to any length when others don't have to, a few farmers are on my sh!tlist and theyre also on the local sparkie and plumber and painter and chippy's sh!t lists.

[Oldbloke]

Personally I've found that if the client is happy with the work. I get paid within a reasonable time. All though a couple have been a bit difficult.

[Ziege]

Personally I've found that if the client is happy with the work. I get paid within a reasonable time. All though a couple have been a bit difficult.

Dont get me wrong, businesses in town, and alll the work I have done elsewhere, and for others, never an issue, My sheds go up true, I stick to the same strict quality as if I were fabricating other parts. Last 36mx12m shed I built was within 5mm of variation one end to the other and that was after the clay had been soaked by rain under the footings (basically expect 20mm of variation minimum), this is because of how rigid and solid it is and how well toleranced to begin with.

Most pay up immediately, farmers not so much

[Farmerpete]

Ziege after reading that rant all I can say is complain to Coles or Woolworths, the price of labour up the price of fertiliser up the price of electricity up the price of chemicals up try to raise the price I get for produce at the farm gate Coles and Woolworths have to pass the cost on to consumers.
HOW MUCH WOULD YOU SCREAM WINGE AND COMPLAIN IF THE COST OF FOOD GOES UP.

[Member-Deleted]

Yeah we have purchase orders and all that but under law these are seen as civil undertakings not 1000% iron clad orders. Issue is going to court costs your profit margin. so thats the major hold up with pursuing it... best bet in towns like this is to wait till there is a public/community event and spread the word while you are present to add rebuttal, the shame of being called out as a piece of s**t that doesn't pay your bills usually is enough pressure in a community where keeping up appearances is everything.

Issue is having to go to any length when others don't have to, a few farmers are on my sh!tlist and theyre also on the local sparkie and plumber and painter and chippy's sh!t lists.

Haha there are pros as well as cons to small communities

[Ziege]

Ziege after reading that rant all I can say is complain to Coles or Woolworths, the price of labour up the price of fertiliser up the price of electricity up the price of chemicals up try to raise the price I get for produce at the farm gate Coles and Woolworths have to pass the cost on to consumers.
HOW MUCH WOULD YOU SCREAM WINGE AND COMPLAIN IF THE COST OF FOOD GOES UP.

mate when these cocky's are paying their:

- Fertlilizer bill
- Ag supplies bill
- Power bill
- Fuel bill
- Stock bills
- Feed bills
- Shearing bills
- Mechanics bills
- Grocery bills
- Machinery bills
- Loans


the list goes on and on and on and somehow Me having been CONTRACTED by THEM at a time THEY requested (so in no way an unexpected cost) yet somehow paying me is a problem??? nah fk off.