Police using QR codes.

[Oldbloke]

W.A. police used covid QR codes, now it's Victoria Police. What do member think, is it OK?

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/vict ... 582x4.html

https://www.theage.com.au/national/west ... 581g3.html

You gotta wonder where it will end. Don't get me wrong, in some cases it might be appropriate, but not for just any wishy washy reason. IMO some people will stop using the QR code, making tracing more problematic.

Let's not turn this into a covid thread. Please stay on topic.

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

Does this honestly suprise you that the government lies and overreaches when they say they won't?

Remember when the federal government banned the importation of automatic firearms(I believe it was in 1991)? They said they only want to stop automatics nothing more. Since then they have banned so much more.

Remember when the state governments said they only want to restrict self loading firearms? What have they banned since then?


It may shock people but the government is not your friend and they lie to you. People forget change happens slowly.
It starts with nobody needs an automatic longarm, then nobody needs a pistol with more than 10 rounds, then nobody needs a lever action shotgun etc etc etc until nothing is left.

[ZaineB]

Does this honestly suprise you that the government lies and overreaches when they say they won't?

Remember when the federal government banned the importation of automatic firearms(I believe it was in 1991)? They said they only want to stop automatics nothing more. Since then they have banned so much more.

Remember when the state governments said they only want to restrict self loading firearms? What have they banned since then?


It may shock people but the government is not your friend and they lie to you. People forget change happens slowly.
It starts with nobody needs an automatic longarm, then nobody needs a pistol with more than 10 rounds, then nobody needs a lever action shotgun etc etc etc until nothing is left.

+1

[Blr243]

I’m happy for the cops to catch crooks in 5 mins instead of five months ....it costs less tax payers dollars ...a helicopter, road spikes, radios, Facebook , QR code’s , they are all just tools to get the job done faster, and get crooks locked up quicker .......because crooks not locked up might just steal your brand new car tomorrow night

[animalpest]

It may come as a surprise to many that when public servants are in a meeting or committee no decisions are made that make policy or law easier or simpler. Often it ends up tougher than they would have done themselves.

Government is often about control rather than "how do we make this work or happen?"

No is the simplest answer of public servants as they are generally risk adverse. Industry, the private sector, are the drivers of making things happen. Heck, I was at a meeting last week where two wildlife officers didn't want meeting minutes or notes because they didn't want anything to come back that they were accountable for. So much for the honesty of government and its servants of the public.

Use of QR codes was simple. WA Premier McGowan himself said he would like to keep the applications to enter WA purely for the sake of drugs even though it is legally there only for the Covid pandemic.

Give a socialist government increased power over it citizens and they don't want to relinquish it.

Am I threatened by the use of QR codes use? No.. I don't do anything illegal. Am I concerned over it's misuse? Absolutely as who knows what they are doing that they don't tell us.

I seriously doubt the police got warrants to access the data without the politicians knowing about it. The WA Government stressed it was secure and only used for health reasons. For the police to do that would be acting against their political masters. So either the coppers decided that the government's policy was to be ignored or the senior lollies knew it and have pretended surprise.

Either way, trust has been broken.

[boingk]

IMO some people will stop using the QR code

People use those things?

I used it once, screenshotted the green tick thing with my name, and made it a 'favourite pic'.

Need to check in, show pic, get waved through. Thanks luv.

- boingk

[ZaineB]

IMO some people will stop using the QR code

People use those things?

I used it once, screenshotted the green tick thing with my name, and made it a 'favourite pic'.

Need to check in, show pic, get waved through. Thanks luv.

- boingk

Blue collar Australia is full of self employed workers with a lot to lose from a loss of personal freedoms, I know a great proportion of people Do Not sign in anywhere because they know if some numpty tests positive where they have been they could be hurled into a world of financial pain. cant blame them and wouldn't do a thing to change their decision personally.

[animalpest]

Sign sway. After all facebook and this group are all on their knowledge of what you do. How many of us have a Coles or Woolies card that tracks everything we buy?

They know everything you do online. And they are not government restricted.

[womble]

I’m not ok with it.
Even the dumbest crims will eventually realise don’t sign in anywhere.
People on the run from the law won’t use it.
Career criminals only use encrypted phones allready so their movements and conversations can’t be seen.
So it just becomes another tool to send fines to working class people in the mail.
I don’t think the police should be privy to that information for the general public.

But then, if it’s an offender with a history and a record of sex offences, crimes against children, then perhaps they should lose the privilege of that info being protected by law.
And then begins the slippery slope, so yeah it’s definately a conundrum
If they can get the legislation right, must have prior convictions, need a warrant for access to info from magistrate.
Say someone’s child gets kidnapped by a known peddo, small window of time to act. Can’t deny the police the power for that situation.

BUT THEN, we just don’t have the politicians to get it right, so no i don’t like it

[Robin]

They might have been dishonest, pollies
lie all the time, however I wouldn't worry about it too much Surveillance Cameras are everywhere, google is everywhere, Facebook is everywhere, cars have GPS in them, that chip they put into your arm when you were born, QR codes are a very small part in surveillance, your already being tracked , your already being followed , if you are really worried, then you could do a John Conner and go off grid.

I'm joking about the chip.

At the end of the day , if they want to spy on me , then go for it, I don't do anything wrong and im pretty boring , just don't lookup my Web history

[cz515]

I have no doubt that we are under continuous surveillance by public and private companies. Android or Apple phone, Facebook, online, flybuy cards the list goes on.

But in this case while I have nothing to hide. When we started the govt said these will only be used for covid tracking and the data will be deleted after 28 days.

By letting police use the data, then what's next, ATO looking at data to see how many times I declared having dinner out on my tax return... or banks looking at it when we get a loan. Let alone the fact a big number of people who currently use QR codes will stop using them. Thus decreasing the effectiveness of the system

[Bugman]

also....it depends who is monitoring...a copper or some over paid public servant with a hidden agenda. This is what happened in NSW. Not good.

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

Remember how that government my health thing was proposed as a way to centralise peoples medical records in cases of emergencies? Now the police are using it to cancel peoples firearm licences for trivial reasons.

People that don't look 10 steps ahead are the worst of people.

[bigrich]

Sign sway. After all facebook and this group are all on their knowledge of what you do. How many of us have a Coles or Woolies card that tracks everything we buy?

They know everything you do online. And they are not government restricted.

This forum is the only social media thing I do . No Facebook. No online banking. I try to remain as unplugged as possible from this crazy cyber world

QR code’s what’s that

[Oldbloke]

Remember when the federal government banned the importation of automatic firearms(I believe it was in 1991)?

Umm, I might be corrected here, but I think its closer to 1951. Banned not long after WW11 is my understanding. (for us that is)

Miss use is my concern. Happy for it to be used to track criminals, rapists, murder etc.
But there needs to be real checks and balances. Warrants for example.

[ZaineB]

If it is allowed to be used by police it WILL be misused, lets face it vast amounts of police aren't exactly what I would call balanced individuals, they're pretty dodgey themselves, most have regular or permanent power trips and often act well outside their means. so no, no thanks, keep their mitts off of health related data, its none of their business.

[Oldbloke]

Yep hence

"But there needs to be real checks and balances. Warrants for example."

[ZaineB]

OB, You have some heavily misplaced optimism or trust there mate, there will be no checks or balances. What organization do you think we are all referring to here?

[Oldbloke]

OB, You have some heavily misplaced optimism or trust there mate, there will be no checks or balances. What organization do you think we are all referring to here?

Im not thinking cops check the cops. , ( that's stupid) It needs to be taken out of their hands and legislated.

[Farmerpete]

My whole worry is that every person on this forum seems to think think it's not OK.
Every person I've talked to about it says it is not ok.

Yet there is no media outcry or story telling people.
There is no mass gathering against it.

Even if the only worry you have is people with covid (Sorry to say the c word) won't sign and you won't get notified, its a reason for it to stop.

[on_one_wheel]

I have little faith that qr check in data will remain secure. Eventually for the sake of our own "safety" the police will have full access to it all... I hope I'm wrong on that one.
Good old privacy laws...
Its interesting to read how little we have in the way of privacy compared to other democracies.

For example the Ironside police and fbi sting that saw lots of arrests in here in Australia didn't see a single arrest in America because using the information gathered on the Anom app was a breach of privacy in the US.

[cz515]

For example the Ironside police and fbi sting that saw lots of arrests in here in Australia didn't see a single arrest in America because using the information gathered on the Anom app was a breach of privacy in the US.

Are you seriously saying that or joking.

I mean the FBI were actually the ones who run the surveillance program that decrypted the anom
Platform.

But that's not all, if you look through history FBI/NSA etc have been actively involved in creating backdoors in computer systems to spy of people inside America. They have been plenty of reported news stories where this spying has been done on citizens without any legal warrants. Remember wikileaks

But that's not all, same organisations have forced the govt to pass legislation that forces American companies (like Google and Microsoft) access to their servers to spy on American and overseas citizens without warrants. Bet you didn't know that.

But that's not all, if you remember under the guise of terrorism thousands of people were picked up from American streets without any warrants again and flown overseas and tortured. Remember waterboarding stories only a few years ago.


dude stop drinking the koolaid spray and look at the reality

[Robin]

Every country spy's on its citizens, if they say they don't , they have probley lied and looked you up already, they don't need QR codes to spy on us, they already have enough ways to do this, it they want to track someone, they can track them via phone, a small hack on your phone and your finger print and facial recognition has just been sent to the spy's without you knowing, with this, they can follow you anyware.

Now, if 99 or agent Scully comes knocking on my door then I'll have a nice smile for them, mmmm nice.

On a positive note, our guys have prevented a couple of terrorist attacks in Australia and busted a big drug ring, this has saved alot of lives, so I give it a tick for that.

If they are spying on me to see what colour my s**t is then that's wrong and gross, but if they are doing it to prevent something bad from happening, then do it, i have nothing to hide, it's not like i can stop them.

[Oldbloke]

For example the Ironside police and fbi sting that saw lots of arrests in here in Australia didn't see a single arrest in America because using the information gathered on the Anom app was a breach of privacy in the US.

Looks like on_one_wheel is right,,,,for now. Lol

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[on_one_wheel]

For example the Ironside police and fbi sting that saw lots of arrests in here in Australia didn't see a single arrest in America because using the information gathered on the Anom app was a breach of privacy in the US.

Are you seriously saying that or joking.

I mean the FBI were actually the ones who run the surveillance program that decrypted the anom
Platform.

But that's not all, if you look through history FBI/NSA etc have been actively involved in creating backdoors in computer systems to spy of people inside America. They have been plenty of reported news stories where this spying has been done on citizens without any legal warrants. Remember wikileaks

But that's not all, same organisations have forced the govt to pass legislation that forces American companies (like Google and Microsoft) access to their servers to spy on American and overseas citizens without warrants. Bet you didn't know that.

But that's not all, if you remember under the guise of terrorism thousands of people were picked up from American streets without any warrants again and flown overseas and tortured. Remember waterboarding stories only a few years ago.


dude stop drinking the koolaid spray and look at the reality

Drinking the koolaid ...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/ ... /100213036
Google it for yourself, there's no end of articles on why there were no arrests in America.

And yes I was aware of the examples you used.
I believe that the examples you've used are related to terrorism, and national security they can get around privacy for that.

[cz515]

Hang on, so fbi was reading millions of messages, but that's fine. It's more that there was no one in usa worth prosecuting.

Hang on you actually trust American federal agencies to do the right thing

[Oldbloke]

Can't be used as evidence against crime I guess. But I doubt they will give up. Might find a way, yet.....