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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by wanneroo » 11 Sep 2021, 11:29 am

cz515 wrote:I agree with SS.

In theory be it democracy or socialism or capitalism or communism they are have their positives. But reality is not book.

Capitalism has killed more people than communism and done more environmental harm than anything else. And that is a fact, we just like it cuz it gives us shiny new toys to play with


Uh, what school did you learn that at?

Wherever it is the teachers need fired.

It's pretty clear the reign of terror communist regimes brought to the world. And they are environmental hellholes.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by mchughcb » 11 Sep 2021, 11:47 am

cz515 wrote:I agree with SS.

In theory be it democracy or socialism or capitalism or communism they are have their positives. But reality is not book.

Capitalism has killed more people than communism and done more environmental harm than anything else. And that is a fact, we just like it cuz it gives us shiny new toys to play with


There there Albert. Kevin will make you a nice cup of tea and tell you how great the cultural revolution was in China.

I'm noticing a trend on this Ziad, Captain Hartmann, all seem to talk utter shiite.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bah! » 11 Sep 2021, 11:51 am

Not wrong, just not a book from the USA.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bah! » 11 Sep 2021, 11:53 am

cz515 wrote: And that is a fact, we just like it cuz it gives us shiny new toys to play with


11 kinds of Camo toys, likely only 1 or 2 fit for purpose though.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bigrich » 11 Sep 2021, 1:40 pm

wanneroo wrote:
bah! wrote:Your own username is the completely ludicrous "communism is cancer", seems weird to nitpick anyone else after that?


Communism is cancer, no doubt about that. The hellholes and deaths left behind from such regimes bear that out.

When you have evil and out of control people like Kerry Chant, I think the issue no one seems to get is that this is what happens when women are put in positions of power.

Humans process information either with emotion, instinct or reason. Women will nearly 100% default to an emotional response and reason will usually come last, if at all. We see this a lot with men with low testosterone levels as well.

Women traditionally are the resource hoarders so these days with Big Daddy Government, they generally will always default to voting for more Big Daddy Government and more restrictions and "security".

In previous times, men kept women's emotional hysteria in check and provided the resources and security for them.

But this is the modern world with blank slate equalism, so enjoy the result. :lol:


i agree :thumbsup:
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bigrich » 11 Sep 2021, 1:46 pm

Robin wrote:How's the weather today, clear skies , great warmth ,fresh air (apart from when I have a mask on, then its a stink fest) and I'm about to go shooting.


sounds lovely robin , very positive statement against a backdrop of political sqaubling and theorising on EG :P

hope you have a good one :thumbsup:
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by Robin » 11 Sep 2021, 1:52 pm

bigrich wrote:
Robin wrote:How's the weather today, clear skies , great warmth ,fresh air (apart from when I have a mask on, then its a stink fest) and I'm about to go shooting.


sounds lovely robin , very positive statement against a backdrop of political sqaubling and theorising on EG :P



hope you have a good one :thumbsup:


Mate , night times are for squabbling, altho I rather have a beer , however day times are for a different type of finger exercise, 10 x 10 reps of trigger pull.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by cz515 » 11 Sep 2021, 6:57 pm

As they say, truth is a bitter pill to swallow. Ill leave it to you all to work it out
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by on_one_wheel » 12 Sep 2021, 9:39 pm

I'm pretty sure that when she blinked during that speech, for a split second she shape shifted and showed her inner lizard person.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by ZaineB » 12 Sep 2021, 11:01 pm

cz515 wrote:
Capitalism has killed more people than communism and done more environmental harm than anything else. And that is a fact, we just like it cuz it gives us shiny new toys to play with



this is a flogged out, worn out, pissed on and forgotten trope.


PEOPLE USE RESOURCES...... this and this alone is to "blame" for what you blame capitalism for, and as a direct result of leaders and oligarchy and tyranny Socialism/communism (yes they are the same) has definitely killed more people, a government killing its own, intentionally.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by ZaineB » 12 Sep 2021, 11:09 pm

straightshooter wrote:The real cancer is ever expanding bureaucracy whatever the flag it might exist under.



Absolutely, the only real enemy to freedoms is authoritarianism, of which I categorically oppose but anyone observant enough on here can see, most are in love with in some sick Stockholm syndrome way.

Big Gov = Big Bad News.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by ZaineB » 12 Sep 2021, 11:10 pm

mchughcb wrote:I'm noticing a trend on this Ziad, Captain Hartmann, all seem to talk utter shiite.



more or less. and it comes with a heap of echo chamber vitriol.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by Downunder » 13 Sep 2021, 4:37 am

cz515 wrote:I agree with SS.

In theory be it democracy or socialism or capitalism or communism they are have their positives. But reality is not book.

Capitalism has killed more people than communism and done more environmental harm than anything else. And that is a fact, we just like it cuz it gives us shiny new toys to play with


Said like a true believer that has no exposure or experience in what they believe in.....

Move to a communist country, live their fir a couple of decades then come back and peddle the virtues.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bah! » 13 Sep 2021, 8:12 am

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PEOPLE USE RESOURCES...... this and this alone is to "blame" for what you blame capitalism for, and as a direct result of leaders and oligarchy and tyranny Socialism/communism (yes they are the same) has definitely killed more people, a government killing its own, intentionally.


Of course socialism and communism are different, why would you even say something that stupid?

As for people use resources ... well of course they do. So in any system has waste as a byproduct of extracting/harvesting/processing/manufacturing, sure. One of the features of both communism and to a lesser extent socialism, is a more equitable distribution of resources. The richest top 8 PEOPLE own as much as the bottom 4 billion people, so really capitalism has permitted both the pointless acquisition and the associated environmental degradation, workplace injury, time, economic hardship etc of all that excess in so few hands.

I don't really expect you're all multi-millionaires but why do people whose wealth is closer to poverty than billionaire, cuck so hard for capitalism?
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 13 Sep 2021, 8:24 am

Communism makes us all equally poor with a small bunch of elites at the top. Communism stifles growth due to lack of innovation because everybody gets the same loaf of bread regardless of output.

Capitalism gives us a decent standard of living with a small bunch of elites at the top. Capitalism promotes innovation because the more productive you are the more you are financially rewarded.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bah! » 13 Sep 2021, 9:03 am

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Capitalism gives us a decent standard of living with a small bunch of elites at the top. Capitalism promotes innovation because the more productive you are the more you are financially rewarded.


When you say "small bunch of elites" do you mean the hoarders I mentioned before? The 8 individuals that own the same amount as the bottom 4 billion people?

Innovation? Yeah that's heaps easy when you have a boot on your neck; mortgage etc. In fact a Canadian study on UBI found that people largely improved their lives, and still worked, once their immediate threat of putting food on the table and a roof over their heads.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by mchughcb » 13 Sep 2021, 9:44 am

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Communism makes us all equally poor with a small bunch of elites at the top. Communism stifles growth due to lack of innovation because everybody gets the same loaf of bread regardless of output.

Capitalism gives us a decent standard of living with a small bunch of elites at the top. Capitalism promotes innovation because the more productive you are the more you are financially rewarded.


This is explains the human condition precisely.

I have worked in Venezuela, China and Russia. The latter of which I lived for a short while.

I can only base my knowledge on what I saw and experienced. If people think the human mindset is to sit quietly and share their wealth that they would be mistaken. Everybody was trying to improve their lot, not actually willing to share much of the meagre wealth that had accumulated. Every Russian would like to know how many square metres your apartment was, what car you drove. Every Chinese was keen to tell you what investment they made in some "ghost" apartment block and how much it had appreciated in the last year. Every Venezuelan would do anything for extra US dollars.

Only retarded people with no life experience think that communism can work under their tutelage. That is not how the human mindset and competition of the species works.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by mchughcb » 13 Sep 2021, 9:47 am

ZaineB wrote:
cz515 wrote:
Capitalism has killed more people than communism and done more environmental harm than anything else. And that is a fact, we just like it cuz it gives us shiny new toys to play with



this is a flogged out, worn out, pissed on and forgotten trope.


PEOPLE USE RESOURCES...... this and this alone is to "blame" for what you blame capitalism for, and as a direct result of leaders and oligarchy and tyranny Socialism/communism (yes they are the same) has definitely killed more people, a government killing its own, intentionally.


Its certainly is a worn out trope. I could get a gun in Venezuela and Russia no problems. Certainly shotguns and air rifles are no problems legally for the average hunter and sports stores have more semi autos than you'll ever see in Australia. Yep Albert is just talking utter shiite again.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by boingk » 13 Sep 2021, 10:17 am

mchughcb wrote:Only retarded people with no life experience think that communism can work under their tutelage. That is not how the human mindset and competition of the species works.


Yup.

The funny thing about future potential is that it is almost entirely predicted by past performance...

...and the past performance of communism is piss poor. Really piss poor. I don't understand why people think "this time will be different", it's like the domestic violence cycle - nothing has changed, you're still going to end up buggered.

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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by ZaineB » 13 Sep 2021, 10:46 am

bah! wrote:
ZaineB wrote:


PEOPLE USE RESOURCES...... this and this alone is to "blame" for what you blame capitalism for, and as a direct result of leaders and oligarchy and tyranny Socialism/communism (yes they are the same) has definitely killed more people, a government killing its own, intentionally.


Of course socialism and communism are different, why would you even say something that stupid?

As for people use resources ... well of course they do. So in any system has waste as a byproduct of extracting/harvesting/processing/manufacturing, sure. One of the features of both communism and to a lesser extent socialism, is a more equitable distribution of resources. The richest top 8 PEOPLE own as much as the bottom 4 billion people, so really capitalism has permitted both the pointless acquisition and the associated environmental degradation, workplace injury, time, economic hardship etc of all that excess in so few hands.

I don't really expect you're all multi-millionaires but why do people whose wealth is closer to poverty than billionaire, cuck so hard for capitalism?


Communism is cancer already said it but I will reiterate, literally all the things you just mentioned are a problem with capitalism are worse in communism and socialism,

yes they're the same, if you think they aren't, then you are an ideological dreamer and nothing more. one is merely the admission of what it is and the other the softcore porn version, and No, Germany and Scandinavia etc are not socialist.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by wanneroo » 13 Sep 2021, 10:56 am

bah! wrote:Of course socialism and communism are different, why would you even say something that stupid?

As for people use resources ... well of course they do. So in any system has waste as a byproduct of extracting/harvesting/processing/manufacturing, sure. One of the features of both communism and to a lesser extent socialism, is a more equitable distribution of resources. The richest top 8 PEOPLE own as much as the bottom 4 billion people, so really capitalism has permitted both the pointless acquisition and the associated environmental degradation, workplace injury, time, economic hardship etc of all that excess in so few hands.

I don't really expect you're all multi-millionaires but why do people whose wealth is closer to poverty than billionaire, cuck so hard for capitalism?


All the socialism and communisms do is spread misery equally. In order to have resources there has to be incentive to create them. Venezuela was once an up and coming country, then they went full commie and it's one of the most violent places in the world, a dead economy and citizens fleeing to any other country they can. They even have plenty of natural resources but if you don't have incentive to make something of them, you have nothing but poverty. Redistributing "resources" never works because it confiscates people's productivity and labor. If I go to the trouble and risk to build a business and commie thugs take it, there is no incentive to create new products, services and provide people with things they want.

The richest top 8 people, whatever. It's all wealth on paper tied up in stock worth. Any person off the street can buy into the same companies and build their own wealth. You could have bought Amazon stock 20 years ago for $5 and it's worth $3200 today.

China, North Korea, the former USSR are all environmental hell holes.

Here we are living in Australia or the USA with clean air, clean water, plenty of food and other goods and services and you are peeing on my leg telling me it's raining.

Why do we "cuck" for capitalism? Well because it works. It's all about choice and making your own outcome. Why do I want some worthless bureaucrat deciding my outcome for me? How stupid is that? What the hell do they know? I prefer to live my life the way I want, do the things I enjoy, have the jobs or businesses I want to do.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bigrich » 13 Sep 2021, 3:27 pm

wanneroo wrote:
bah! wrote:Of course socialism and communism are different, why would you even say something that stupid?

As for people use resources ... well of course they do. So in any system has waste as a byproduct of extracting/harvesting/processing/manufacturing, sure. One of the features of both communism and to a lesser extent socialism, is a more equitable distribution of resources. The richest top 8 PEOPLE own as much as the bottom 4 billion people, so really capitalism has permitted both the pointless acquisition and the associated environmental degradation, workplace injury, time, economic hardship etc of all that excess in so few hands.

I don't really expect you're all multi-millionaires but why do people whose wealth is closer to poverty than billionaire, cuck so hard for capitalism?


All the socialism and communisms do is spread misery equally. In order to have resources there has to be incentive to create them. Venezuela was once an up and coming country, then they went full commie and it's one of the most violent places in the world, a dead economy and citizens fleeing to any other country they can. They even have plenty of natural resources but if you don't have incentive to make something of them, you have nothing but poverty. Redistributing "resources" never works because it confiscates people's productivity and labor. If I go to the trouble and risk to build a business and commie thugs take it, there is no incentive to create new products, services and provide people with things they want.

The richest top 8 people, whatever. It's all wealth on paper tied up in stock worth. Any person off the street can buy into the same companies and build their own wealth. You could have bought Amazon stock 20 years ago for $5 and it's worth $3200 today.

China, North Korea, the former USSR are all environmental hell holes.

Here we are living in Australia or the USA with clean air, clean water, plenty of food and other goods and services and you are peeing on my leg telling me it's raining.

Why do we "cuck" for capitalism? Well because it works. It's all about choice and making your own outcome. Why do I want some worthless bureaucrat deciding my outcome for me? How stupid is that? What the hell do they know? I prefer to live my life the way I want, do the things I enjoy, have the jobs or businesses I want to do.


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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bah! » 13 Sep 2021, 3:30 pm

ZaineB wrote:Communism is cancer already said it but I will reiterate, literally all the things you just mentioned are a problem with capitalism are worse in communism and socialism,


So, who are the 8 richest communists (or socialists), that are worth the same amount as the bottom 4 billion? Yeah they don't exist. Go on and parrot how it's worse in under communism again though.

Corruption exists in all frameworks; trump, Liberal party whatever.

The average income would go up by *6* with an even split on income in the USA.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by ZaineB » 13 Sep 2021, 7:29 pm

bah! wrote:
ZaineB wrote:Communism is cancer already said it but I will reiterate, literally all the things you just mentioned are a problem with capitalism are worse in communism and socialism,


So, who are the 8 richest communists (or socialists), that are worth the same amount as the bottom 4 billion? Yeah they don't exist. Go on and parrot how it's worse in under communism again though.

Corruption exists in all frameworks; trump, Liberal party whatever.

The average income would go up by *6* with an even split on income in the USA.



There aren't a select few in communist countries cos they all failed, and so do socialist states, they abandon their socialist mechanisms for capitalist ones, the only remnants they keep of socialism is totalitarianism, tyranny, enslavement, exploitation, classism, dictatorships, propaganda, fascism/force control, greed, brainwashing, over stretched public services, theft, expropriation, democide and a failing market relying on even more expansion than capitalist systems because socialism is a massive sink hole that only more of other people's stuff can fill.

I honestly just mate have no words, if you don't know these things in 2021 then you are either brainwashed or plain stupid.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by mchughcb » 13 Sep 2021, 8:28 pm

wanneroo wrote:
bah! wrote:Of course socialism and communism are different, why would you even say something that stupid?

As for people use resources ... well of course they do. So in any system has waste as a byproduct of extracting/harvesting/processing/manufacturing, sure. One of the features of both communism and to a lesser extent socialism, is a more equitable distribution of resources. The richest top 8 PEOPLE own as much as the bottom 4 billion people, so really capitalism has permitted both the pointless acquisition and the associated environmental degradation, workplace injury, time, economic hardship etc of all that excess in so few hands.

I don't really expect you're all multi-millionaires but why do people whose wealth is closer to poverty than billionaire, cuck so hard for capitalism?


All the socialism and communisms do is spread misery equally. In order to have resources there has to be incentive to create them. Venezuela was once an up and coming country, then they went full commie and it's one of the most violent places in the world, a dead economy and citizens fleeing to any other country they can. They even have plenty of natural resources but if you don't have incentive to make something of them, you have nothing but poverty. Redistributing "resources" never works because it confiscates people's productivity and labor. If I go to the trouble and risk to build a business and commie thugs take it, there is no incentive to create new products, services and provide people with things they want.

The richest top 8 people, whatever. It's all wealth on paper tied up in stock worth. Any person off the street can buy into the same companies and build their own wealth. You could have bought Amazon stock 20 years ago for $5 and it's worth $3200 today.

China, North Korea, the former USSR are all environmental hell holes.

Here we are living in Australia or the USA with clean air, clean water, plenty of food and other goods and services and you are peeing on my leg telling me it's raining.

Why do we "cuck" for capitalism? Well because it works. It's all about choice and making your own outcome. Why do I want some worthless bureaucrat deciding my outcome for me? How stupid is that? What the hell do they know? I prefer to live my life the way I want, do the things I enjoy, have the jobs or businesses I want to do.



You got that exactly right. Some low level bureaucrat can wield more influence on your life than the richest Billionaire on the planet.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bah! » 13 Sep 2021, 9:16 pm

I just want what they're smoking.
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by cz515 » 14 Sep 2021, 3:53 pm

Hang on, hang on. I have heard for the last 6 months by a few people here a few things
Firstly that Australia is a socialist country.
Communist China, evil evil evil


Well facts, there are 2755 billionaires according to Forbes in 2021, of that, the top by country is America ofcourse with 724, but second is good old commie china at 626. But you said China is poor. All i see in the media is how Chinese are vying up land and houses in Australia... I assume they doing similar in us/canada/nz/uk etc
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by bigrich » 14 Sep 2021, 5:08 pm

cz515 wrote:Hang on, hang on. I have heard for the last 6 months by a few people here a few things
Firstly that Australia is a socialist country.
Communist China, evil evil evil


Well facts, there are 2755 billionaires according to Forbes in 2021, of that, the top by country is America ofcourse with 724, but second is good old commie china at 626. But you said China is poor. All i see in the media is how Chinese are vying up land and houses in Australia... I assume they doing similar in us/canada/nz/uk etc


the chinese elite buy foreign land and houses cause they don't trust their government not to take it from them :thumbsup:
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Re: Poor choice of words

Post by mchughcb » 14 Sep 2021, 5:51 pm

Citizens cannot own land in China.
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Post by ZaineB » 14 Sep 2021, 6:21 pm

cz515 wrote:Hang on, hang on. I have heard for the last 6 months by a few people here a few things
Firstly that Australia is a socialist country.
Communist China, evil evil evil


Well facts, there are 2755 billionaires according to Forbes in 2021, of that, the top by country is America ofcourse with 724, but second is good old commie china at 626. But you said China is poor. All i see in the media is how Chinese are vying up land and houses in Australia... I assume they doing similar in us/canada/nz/uk etc



none too observant as per, lest we forget the actual poor people of china, who are constantly barraged with CCP propaganda whilst being dealt garbage and pestilence by the government, and for what? being almost subsistence or completely subsistence, agrarian people who actually don't want any of the bulls**t and just want to be left alone, but the good old Authoritarian Communist Regime you keep defending on here doesn't allow them, destroying entire communities and ethnic groups homes and home lands for their own means and not giving one s**t about human rights in the process.

You clearly have blinkers on, you clearly haven't seen the "get the f*** outta my way" attitude played out in the chinese landscape, I think you just like to think you're smart by being contrarian because nothing you have said CZ (ziad, hartman etc), translates to the lay person in china, only those who are lucky enough or have enough, albeit hilariously capitalist, tenacity and greed to exploit those poor people along with the communist government.

as for buying up land, I believe unless you are going to live in a country, you should have no property in that country, this is the case in many places hence people buy condos, Australia should be the same, simple as that.

as for being socialist in Australia, there is a growing trend among the lazy unintelligent youth of the country that we should be socialist, we are inherently in almost every way capitalist in Australia albeit s**t at it, we do not compete well in any other market than digging up holes and growing plants. What some might called socialist things in society are merely tax payer funded amenities, health, emergency services, education etc. A far cry from socialism, and thank god for that too.
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