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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by cz515 » 20 Sep 2021, 8:23 am

Sure let's stand up to then.... but with what.... ohh with an army of less than 50,000 and a few guys on this forum. They will send 5 million... maybe lose 50k and not bat an eyelid.

They are not going to nuke, that's American style, destroy all bridges, factories and hospitals and bomb dense civilian areas. There is too much money to be made by keeping the country intact for the Chinese.

So we are a little chuwawa yap dog who is only barking because America is standing behind us. A really good place to be if you have illusions of grandeur.

Chinese ppl main aim is making $$$$ not war also saving face is a cultural thing for them. Taiwan is disputed territory, it was an island where the old government of China ran too and declared an independent country. Hence the issues... but they haven't lobed a nuke there, or even threaten. It's been conventional stuff only.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by bigrich » 20 Sep 2021, 8:31 am

cz515 wrote:Sure let's stand up to then.... but with what.... ohh with an army of less than 50,000 and a few guys on this forum. They will send 5 million... maybe lose 50k and not bat an eyelid.

They are not going to nuke, that's American style, destroy all bridges, factories and hospitals and bomb dense civilian areas. There is too much money to be made by keeping the country intact for the Chinese.

So we are a little chuwawa yap dog who is only barking because America is standing behind us. A really good place to be if you have illusions of grandeur.

Chinese ppl main aim is making $$$$ not war also saving face is a cultural thing for them. Taiwan is disputed territory, it was an island where the old government of China ran too and declared an independent country. Hence the issues... but they haven't lobed a nuke there, or even threaten. It's been conventional stuff only.


And what, you think the USA , UK and countries like Germany that are behind our latest tank factory west of Brisbane are going to allow that ? Do you think a few tomahawk missles we’re getting as well as other advanced stuff isn’t going to make them think twice ?
Your type of defeatist and apathetic attitude doesn’t contribute anything. You can call it realistic if you like, but it’s a “glass half empty “ point of view in my opinion. If you’re so concerned and pessimistic about the Chinese, move to a safer country
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by ThePlinkster » 20 Sep 2021, 9:24 am

cz515 wrote:Sure let's stand up to then.... but with what.... ohh with an army of less than 50,000 and a few guys on this forum. They will send 5 million... maybe lose 50k and not bat an eyelid.

They are not going to nuke, that's American style, destroy all bridges, factories and hospitals and bomb dense civilian areas. There is too much money to be made by keeping the country intact for the Chinese.

So we are a little chuwawa yap dog who is only barking because America is standing behind us. A really good place to be if you have illusions of grandeur.

Chinese ppl main aim is making $$$$ not war also saving face is a cultural thing for them. Taiwan is disputed territory, it was an island where the old government of China ran too and declared an independent country. Hence the issues... but they haven't lobed a nuke there, or even threaten. It's been conventional stuff only.

If WW3 breaks out
We need to have the USA on our side.
Hence why it's better to strengthen our military and diplomatic ties to the USA.

If China invades Australia
Again, we need to have the USA on our side.
Hence why, again, it's better to strengthen our military and diplomatic ties to the USA.

Especially now, since China is bullying Australia, engaged in a trade war with Australia and is trying to take over the south China sea.

Your comments are extremely short sighted.
There is zero logic in your comments.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by Oldbloke » 20 Sep 2021, 9:44 pm

This is from elsewhere. But closely aligned with my thoughts.


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Australia has made two good decisions on our submarine future. Continuing the ridiculous contract with the French for 12 diesel-electric boats would paralleled our foolishness in not ordering Spitfires for our defence in 1940. The Morrison government’s brave moment in deciding on nuclear submarines was an excellent idea, but it won’t get us out of our present predicament. What we need is a submarine weapons system right now – and that’s possible.

We have had a flawed defence acquisition attitude for decades in this country. Government after government wants to build too many defence platforms here. We can do it, but only with minor weapons systems such as patrol boats. Inevitably major builds run late and over-budget. We also insist on fiddling with designs. This would be disastrous in the case of future nuclear submarines. We need to simply copy what is already in the water and successful.

But even though we seem to be finally manning-up to the hard questions, building our own boats to appear in 10 years is not good enough. We are facing a period of heightened threats and we need those weapons systems now, not then. Buying the Virginia-class from the US straight away would be the best decision, but that might not be possible as the USN is acquiring all so far produced. Fortunately there is another solution. The United States Navy has a number of other nuclear attack boats in storage. We should lease or buy six now.

The Los Angeles nuclear fleet of the USN have been in service for many years, and several are laid up – in fact, some of the original ones are being scrapped. They use the preferred weapons systems of our Navy, the Tomahawk and Harpoon missiles, and the Mark 48 torpedo. We’re probably going to build the more capable Virginia-class, their replacement. But the Los Angeles class are gradually being retired, and would provide both an excellent training platform for nuclear vessels, and more importantly, an immediate and effective deterrent to any would-be enemies.

One obstacle naysayers would immediately bring up is the fact that the Los Angeles boats are bigger than our present Collins and need a larger crew: 129 compared to 58. That can be remedied by advertising – with the relevant country’s permission – for submariners from the UK and the US. The service could be continuous to transition into the boats the RAN would eventually acquire from the build here. In fact the naval personnel transitioning from these overseas navies would also be excellent trainers for our own personnel who would need to be brought up to speed on how to operate a nuclear power plant.

We need nuclear submarines mainly for their range and endurance. In both these areas they are superior to diesel-electric boats. A nuclear sub can travel immense distances without surfacing, and once on station the submarine can stay there until its food runs out, again without surfacing. Diesel-electrics are driven to the surface as their batteries become depleted so they can run their diesel to recharge. This can be done by use of a snorkel, but anywhere near the surface makes the submarine more likely to be detected – and therefore attacked.

If we want to deter an aggressor nation over the next few years we need this ability – to stay on station indefinitely – straightaway, not in a decade, or even in five years, which might incidentally be possible. (The Royal Navy’s HMS Dreadnought was launched in 1960, five years after the US Navy’s first nuclear, USS Nautilus – in other words from concept to reality in half a decade.)

And putting such a formidable platform into the sea near any aggressor is a move designed to lessen the chance of war, not increase it. One of the best aspects of the submarine concept is that the enemy does not know where it is once it’s at sea, unless of course it’s detected – another reason why we should have the almost undetectable nuclears as opposed to frequently re-fuelling and recharging diesel-electrics.

We could, and should, have several nuclear boats operating out of Perth within a year, not in a decade. A vessel leaving port enters a huge circle of probability from the moment it submerges. If you have a concept of the boat’s underwater speed you can calculate the size of that circle – somewhere within it is the submarine. As the hours go by the circle gets bigger, and soon it impacts where your own vessels are, perhaps on their way to attack Australia. Thus the mere presence of a submarine forces you to convey your more vulnerable freighters, tankers, and troopships, slowing your assault down. A submarine can launch covert swimmers and lay mines against your harbours too, while submerged, and thus you have to guard against those possibilities as well. If you can’t take these measures properly then your whole invasion process grinds to a halt until you can. Thus a submarine off your coast is an extremely effective deterrence – even though it hasn’t fired a shot.

Deploying the Collins-boats to carry out effective deterrence operations off distant enemy coasts is hazardous and inefficient. Even though they are a good platform, and operated by extremely capable people, they must recharge their batteries near the surface. And once their diesel supply reaches the level where they only have enough to get home or to a tanker, then they must leave. It varies with the speeds used, but a diesel boat’s endurance is measured only in weeks. A nuclear boat’s is in years, and of course it has never surfaced in its entire patrol.

There is another decision the government can make straight away. The names of the Collins-class should be carried on into our future nuclear boats. They are all named after heroes of the Navy from World War II. The only sailor – rather than an officer – of the six, Teddy Sheean, has just been awarded the Navy’s only Victoria Cross. These names should live forever. That’s one easy decision to make. Slightly harder but just as logical would be to arm our Navy with the best weapons they can get, and do it now – acquire working nuclear submarines from the US immediately.

Dr Tom Lewis OAM served as a naval intelligence officer in the RAN. He is a military historian whose latest work is Teddy Sheean VC
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by cz515 » 20 Sep 2021, 10:34 pm

Doesn't change the fact America is dying. And we are backing the wrong horse.

I rather we be neutral. No one wants to see kids coming back in body bags. Fighting a war that doesn't even benefit Australia.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by ZaineB » 20 Sep 2021, 10:52 pm

cz515 wrote:Doesn't change the fact America is dying. And we are backing the wrong horse.

I rather we be neutral. No one wants to see kids coming back in body bags. Fighting a war that doesn't even benefit Australia.



If America is dying we are dead already, so is the UK and Canada and more than most of Europe as well as the 3rd world and most of the Americas north and south, funny how USA owned and run companies have shares sky rocketing, not exactly symptomatic of a country in a reversal. I think your idea of nice laws and practices (california) is the only s**t hole among a few other democrat strongholds that are falling flat on their face, If the USA was dying they wouldnt be pulling out of warfare, they would be pulling back the foreskin and shafting as many as they can as fast as they can.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by Oldbloke » 20 Sep 2021, 11:31 pm

cz515 wrote:Doesn't change the fact America is dying. And we are backing the wrong horse.

1. I rather we be neutral. 2. No one wants to see kids coming back in body bags. Fighting a war that doesn't even benefit Australia.


1. That might sound nice and dandy but we have been allies with US and UK for many years and have US bases for years (pine gap) so too late.

2. We all agree on that I think.

3. China is the one that will decide if there will be a war I'm afraid.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by bigrich » 21 Sep 2021, 4:48 am

cz515 wrote:Doesn't change the fact America is dying. And we are backing the wrong horse.

I rather we be neutral. No one wants to see kids coming back in body bags. Fighting a war that doesn't even benefit Australia.


China is the aggressor, China is bullying. Laying down and doing as we’re told is not a option
Freedom has always come at a price. The idea is not to fight a war in the first place. That means being a reasonable threat of giving China a bloody nose
You keep talking as if we are on our own . We are not
I repeat, we are not. USA, UK, Japan, India are the main players. A British carrier fleet has sailed through and docked in Japan.Germany has already sent warships through the China sea, France is doing likewise.
The Chinese aren’t in our neighbourhood yet, the South China Sea is a trade route with Japan and other nations in that area. The problem is global, and the response is global. China has bitten of more than it can chew. If the world unites we can destroy them financially by ceasing all trade
As for your body bag comments, nobody wants that. But do you defend your rights and your country or be a slave. Maybe some in this country will start learning the Mandarin Chinese language......the British tried to appease hitler at first too. That just encouraged him.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by ThePlinkster » 21 Sep 2021, 7:10 am

cz515 wrote:Doesn't change the fact America is dying. And we are backing the wrong horse.

I rather we be neutral. No one wants to see kids coming back in body bags. Fighting a war that doesn't even benefit Australia.

If the allied forces in 1939 had the same way of thinking as you
Your comment on EnoughGun would have been written in German/Japanese right now!
(And you would be living under an incredibly oppressive totalitarian ethnic-cleansing dictatorship today)

What an incredibly silly/laughable statement
Unfortunately, there is completely zero bravery coming from this Lad "CZ515"
No courage whatsoever
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Post by straightshooter » 21 Sep 2021, 7:39 am

Just as there is a quotation from the bible to support just about any behaviour or act there is always a factoid to support any romantic jingoistic view.
When push comes to shove, reality is the strictest of disciplinarians as Australia learnt during WWII.
The vacuum in our region left by the then declining world power (UK) was soon filled by the then rising world power (US).
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by bigrich » 21 Sep 2021, 8:00 am

Mark Twain had a lot of clever quotations and observations. Not since the Greek philosophers did one person have so many true and clever remarks published or made common knowledge
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by bah! » 21 Sep 2021, 8:13 am

cz515 wrote:Doesn't change the fact America is dying. And we are backing the wrong horse.


I tend to agree but seems like guns, so many merkin fanboys.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by cz515 » 21 Sep 2021, 9:16 am

They say history repeats itself, UK expanded the most quickly, and was the most active.... just before the empire fell, same with Romans, same with Germans, and Russians. There is huge amount of internal divide in America (proof check last election, covid).

Looking at history again, America always looks after their own interest and gives its allies just scraps. During Trump years he was pushing for American allies to pay more, so your super shiny submarines in 20 years, America will have Australia over a barrel and eat out its pound of flesh.

Look at Saddam, he was friends while he was fighting Iran, then suddenly WMD was used as excuse to invade a sovereign country. And now we know WMD never existed.

Look at the Syrian allies, who were fighting the on the ground war against Isis. On a drop of the hat America pulled out its support.

And for that matter at a drop of the same hat, 50 year animosities with Russia and North Korea became friendship. And looks everyone forgot the verbal baking Australian prime minister got, or for that matter the prime minister of Canada or UK.

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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by ZaineB » 21 Sep 2021, 10:16 am

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cz515 wrote:Doesn't change the fact America is dying. And we are backing the wrong horse.

I rather we be neutral. No one wants to see kids coming back in body bags. Fighting a war that doesn't even benefit Australia.


China is the aggressor, China is bullying. Laying down and doing as we’re told is not a option
Freedom has always come at a price. The idea is not to fight a war in the first place. That means being a reasonable threat of giving China a bloody nose
You keep talking as if we are on our own . We are not
I repeat, we are not. USA, UK, Japan, India are the main players. A British carrier fleet has sailed through and docked in Japan.Germany has already sent warships through the China sea, France is doing likewise.
The Chinese aren’t in our neighbourhood yet, the South China Sea is a trade route with Japan and other nations in that area. The problem is global, and the response is global. China has bitten of more than it can chew. If the world unites we can destroy them financially by ceasing all trade
As for your body bag comments, nobody wants that. But do you defend your rights and your country or be a slave. Maybe some in this country will start learning the Mandarin Chinese language......the British tried to appease hitler at first too. That just encouraged him.
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yep and hot of the presses this morning, china is about to have a taste of GFC bitterness, they are having a massive debt crisis, just as I knew they would, soon their "wealth" or now transparent lack thereof will come crashing down on their heads, you cant expand like china has and not cost yourself a fortune in the process, they are over extended, under resourced, over budget and exhausted, they really dont have a way out of this other than admitting that socialism doesn't work, or war... I think theyre stupid enough to do the second. and the second will bankrupt them just like it did the nazi's
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Post by bigrich » 21 Sep 2021, 12:17 pm

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cz515 wrote:Doesn't change the fact America is dying. And we are backing the wrong horse.

I rather we be neutral. No one wants to see kids coming back in body bags. Fighting a war that doesn't even benefit Australia.


China is the aggressor, China is bullying. Laying down and doing as we’re told is not a option
Freedom has always come at a price. The idea is not to fight a war in the first place. That means being a reasonable threat of giving China a bloody nose
You keep talking as if we are on our own . We are not
I repeat, we are not. USA, UK, Japan, India are the main players. A British carrier fleet has sailed through and docked in Japan.Germany has already sent warships through the China sea, France is doing likewise.
The Chinese aren’t in our neighbourhood yet, the South China Sea is a trade route with Japan and other nations in that area. The problem is global, and the response is global. China has bitten of more than it can chew. If the world unites we can destroy them financially by ceasing all trade
As for your body bag comments, nobody wants that. But do you defend your rights and your country or be a slave. Maybe some in this country will start learning the Mandarin Chinese language......the British tried to appease hitler at first too. That just encouraged him.
History is a great teacher, unfortunately most don’t remember it

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yep and hot of the presses this morning, china is about to have a taste of GFC bitterness, they are having a massive debt crisis, just as I knew they would, soon their "wealth" or now transparent lack thereof will come crashing down on their heads, you cant expand like china has and not cost yourself a fortune in the process, they are over extended, under resourced, over budget and exhausted, they really dont have a way out of this other than admitting that socialism doesn't work, or war... I think theyre stupid enough to do the second. and the second will bankrupt them just like it did the nazi's


Yeah, agree. Ya can’t really trust anything they say either. Their all about saving face and keeping up appearances
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Post by bigrich » 21 Sep 2021, 3:59 pm

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cz515 wrote:You can sure put your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes and pretend it's all good.

And don't put words in my mouth, I never said they are good and we need to become their subservient.

I just said we don't need to be America's lap dog.


When has Australia been America's "lap dog?"

Was it when you fought in Vietnam? Did you do that because you were coerced? I had read it was due to Australians' shared concern over the spread of communism in southeast Asia at the time, but I admit that I read that in American books and media.

Were you lap dogs when you went to the aid of the Empire in the world wars? Were we Americans lap dogs to the British then too, losing over a half-million men? I hadn't thought about it that way before.

When you make use of British/American submarine technology, is it because we're pressuring you? I gather that the Chinese have developed nuclear subs, so is there some way you could align yourselves with them? We'd probably make a bigger fuss than the French, but in the end, we could not, and would not stop you. I bet you could even talk the Chinese into an arrangement whereby they provide all of Australia's naval defence. You might think about that. Cheap and easy.

It's funny but I never heard any of these things when I lived there. Before I went to Australia, I spent several months on a project at the NZ MoD in Wellington, and I don't remember any of their sailors worrying that they were lap dogs either. I do remember a sort of sense among the NZDF that they might better take more responsibility for their own defence, reliant as they are on you...

...which reminds me of one conversation I had in Brisbane five years ago in which it was said that Australia would be better-off neutral. The importance of Chinese trade and investment were also mentioned.

I mentioned that the United States maintains a ruinously expensive fleet, and that at any given time, there's at least one carrier task force in the south Pacific or South China Sea or else nearby. (I gather that HMS Queen Elizabeth is there now.)

I told them then and I will tell you now that there is a great deal of currency among Americans that we spend far too much on the defence of our friends while American children go hungry, and that if they were to petition their own government to ask the US to cease operating in that area, that tens of millions of Americans would be heartened and take their side.

You have only to decide where your true interests lie. Whatever you decide, your cities will doubtless still shine. How can you go wrong?


those are good points, and a understandable perspective . cz515 is in a very , very, small minority . don't you worry . my grandfather fought in the new guinea campaign in WW2 . rabaul to be exact . aussies were the troops , but he told me of the american support . us navy landing craft landed the troops on the beach , a mix of american and aussie destroyers and support ships on the way there . us air force dive bombers on jap positions in the hills . and us engineers and artillery in support . some of the artillery were 155mm "long toms" . if your in brisbane around underwood , there's one on the roof of the "big gun" shopping complex . it was a fruit barn and that gun has been there on the roof since i was a kid. the dual boggie axles are not on it but it's there.

it's been passed down through generations that american's are are comrades in arms . started in 1917 under aussie general monash . he actually developed the battle feild tactics against the german's that broke the stalemate on the western front . the german's took note and it's where they got "blitzkreig" tactics for WW2 from ..i got a book "the heroes of hamel " , very good read and details the relationship between digger's and doughboy's

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Post by cleger » 21 Sep 2021, 4:28 pm

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those are good points, and a understandable perspective . cz515 is in a very , very, small minority . don't you worry . my grandfather fought in the new guinea campaign in WW2 . rabaul to be exact . aussies were the troops , but he told me of the american support . us navy landing craft landed the troops on the beach , a mix of american and aussie destroyers and support ships on the way there . us air force dive bombers on jap positions in the hills . and us engineers and artillery in support . some of the artillery were 155mm "long toms" . if your in brisbane around underwood , there's one on the roof of the "big gun" shopping complex . it was a fruit barn and that gun has been there on the roof since i was a kid. the dual boggie axles are not on it but it's there.

it's been passed down through generations that american's are are comrades in arms . started in 1917 under aussie general monash . he actually developed the battle feild tactics against the german's that broke the stalemate on the western front . the german's took note and it's where they got "blitzkreig" tactics for WW2 from ..i got a book "the heroes of hamel " , very good read and details the relationship between digger's and doughboy's

do a google "Big gun underwood" and get images :thumbsup:


I'd never seen that gun! And I spent a deal of time in Springwood... anyway...

Of course you're right that CZ's opinion is held by a minority. I know it. I just find the idea that (any) Aussies should see themselves as "lap dogs" a bit galling.

I have found that "comrades in arms" is beside the point; we are natural friends.
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"Big gun underwood" will have a look next time I'm up that way.
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Oldbloke wrote:"Big gun underwood" will have a look next time I'm up that way.

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Post by cz515 » 21 Sep 2021, 6:48 pm

Clegar. Maybe lap dog is wrong word. And I am not saying Australians are lap dogs....more our politicians making the decisions who are making the country. It's like the little dog that barks forciously cuz he thinks he's the alpha and everyone is scared of him... when its the the big Great Dane sitting behind him that people are scared off.

Let's look at the covid Chinese lab allegation. Now that CIA have come out and rubbished the idea. It's quite ironic and embarrassing for us.

But last year scomo came out and called for an inquiry on China's involvement.. just after a phone conversation with Trump. It should have been any other country... fk it America should have raised it in the UN and we could support it. No we needed to be the yap dog and call for it and now we are paying the price.

What result did it have, CIA had come out and said they found no evidence. Nothing happened to China. Nothing happened to America.

But Australia has had a big price to pay. We have lost billions of dollars of exports, farmers going broke, businesses going broke, even mining industry going broke. look at Iron Ore, China government doesn't care its industry goes in a loss, their population pay more for energy, even go without heating, as long as it can teach a lesson to Australian business and its public and the government.

It's an open secret in the shipping industry, Chinese have bought up a lot of shipping companies in 2020/21 and "colluded" and increased the price of containers by hundreds of percent. Importers are paying upto $8000/container more now than pre covid. This has resulted in both companies running out of stock, and more unpretentious increases in prices even though AUD is stronger compared to USD now than 2019/2020.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by bigrich » 21 Sep 2021, 8:45 pm

cz515 wrote:Clegar. Maybe lap dog is wrong word. And I am not saying Australians are lap dogs....more our politicians making the decisions who are making the country. It's like the little dog that barks forciously cuz he thinks he's the alpha and everyone is scared of him... when its the the big Great Dane sitting behind him that people are scared off.

Let's look at the covid Chinese lab allegation. Now that CIA have come out and rubbished the idea. It's quite ironic and embarrassing for us.

But last year scomo came out and called for an inquiry on China's involvement.. just after a phone conversation with Trump. It should have been any other country... fk it America should have raised it in the UN and we could support it. No we needed to be the yap dog and call for it and now we are paying the price.

What result did it have, CIA had come out and said they found no evidence. Nothing happened to China. Nothing happened to America.

But Australia has had a big price to pay. We have lost billions of dollars of exports, farmers going broke, businesses going broke, even mining industry going broke. look at Iron Ore, China government doesn't care its industry goes in a loss, their population pay more for energy, even go without heating, as long as it can teach a lesson to Australian business and its public and the government.

It's an open secret in the shipping industry, Chinese have bought up a lot of shipping companies in 2020/21 and "colluded" and increased the price of containers by hundreds of percent. Importers are paying upto $8000/container more now than pre covid. This has resulted in both companies running out of stock, and more unpretentious increases in prices even though AUD is stronger compared to USD now than 2019/2020.




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: mate THE COVER UP AND SILENCING/DISAPPEARANCE OF CHINESE DOCTORS BY THE PRC IS SCANDALOUS .

why the hell shouldn't people be asking questions . they allowed people in china to fly out to all the corners of the globe after a big chinese holiday knowing full well there was a BIG problem and they were spreading it

australia has a big price to pay :wtf: miners going broke :lol: :lol: :lol: . mate it's a great reset . being locked into "trade blackmail" by having all our eggs in one basket with a communist regime is a bad plan . this country is now motivated finding new markets , and as i stated previously , the UK is gunna be a much bigger trader now their not in the EU anymore
this is also the country that bribed sitting members of parliment and engages in propoganda and intimidation in our universities . not the actions of a freindly nation mate , and we should wear that ? your a goose ziad

to post the stuff you do you must just be doing it for a stir . your negative spin is worthy of a colum in the chinese media :thumbsdown:
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by wanneroo » 22 Sep 2021, 12:04 am

ZaineB wrote:
If America is dying we are dead already, so is the UK and Canada and more than most of Europe as well as the 3rd world and most of the Americas north and south, funny how USA owned and run companies have shares sky rocketing, not exactly symptomatic of a country in a reversal. I think your idea of nice laws and practices (california) is the only s**t hole among a few other democrat strongholds that are falling flat on their face, If the USA was dying they wouldnt be pulling out of warfare, they would be pulling back the foreskin and shafting as many as they can as fast as they can.


The US has it's problems, more so than usual right now, but so does China. Difference is that America's are out in open while China works to keep the lid on theirs with tight controls on media and social media. Of course this recent Evergrande thing is impossible to hide but China will work to hide that away the best they can.
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by bigrich » 22 Sep 2021, 11:41 am

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So long as the tea has whiskey in it OB . Just can’t understand old mate’s point of view
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Post by bigrich » 22 Sep 2021, 4:57 pm

just a update on positive news, boeing is building a new factory and airstrip west of toowoomba to build drone "loyal wingman" that works in with our fighter jets . our military manufacturing and technology is really going ahead in leaps and bounds , rheinmetals tank plant at ipswich plus all the other stuff going on . the lap dog is getting some bigger, sharper teeth ! bout time too . go sco-mo :clap: :thumbsup:
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by Oldbloke » 22 Sep 2021, 5:57 pm

Soooo,,, hang on. We are making some sh1t here.

rheinmetals tank. Ipswich
Drones. Toowoomba
Bush master , Bendigo
Destroyers few yrs ago Williamstown
Bombs and ammo at Benalla
Explosives/powder at Mulwulla
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And I think ammo nioa?
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Post by on_one_wheel » 22 Sep 2021, 6:22 pm

But wait... I'm confused... in another thread I read that
"Scomo had forfeited military control" :unknown:
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Re: Australia, attack dog and what's the benefit

Post by ZaineB » 22 Sep 2021, 6:27 pm

Personally I would like to see even more diversification in our armament and munitions productions, we should have multiple plants doing each thing, whole thing stinks of all eggs in one basket type deal at the moment.
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