bah! wrote:yeah the freedom to get shot in the street is the best!
In Australia heaven forbid you get shot at you call the police.
In America you take the advise of Tom Sizemore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5DcZ-rDNI
bah! wrote:yeah the freedom to get shot in the street is the best!
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bah! wrote:yeah the freedom to get shot in the street is the best!
In Australia heaven forbid you get shot at you call the police.
In America you take the advise of Tom Sizemore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5DcZ-rDNI
cz515 wrote:
Ahh don't you love it when Hollywood make a historical movie and most people can't tell fact from fiction.
Anyhoo America has freedoms..to be shot in your school, while going shopping, while working...or just while out for a stroll...but the have FREEDOM
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Americans love freedom and Australians don't that's what it all boils down too. In America a small percentage do the wrong thing but everybody realises loosing your freedom over other peoples actions is abhorrent. In Australia a small percentage do the wrong thing and everybody looses their freedom because people are cowards and love the nanny state.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
~Dead American bloke from the 1700s
bigrich wrote:Bit harsh mate . We’re are totally different society to America. If you don’t like the state of affairs in Australia, you can always get more active in a legal way to try to change things. Aside from that just move to the US instead of making derogatory inflammatory comments on your fellow Australians. This sort of comparison creeps into every topic on this forum at some point. We don’t have a American constitution. We’re British colonies. We have a different set of rules. Deal with it. The topic is about a shooting in a Texas school. Let’s try to be constructive on that point
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bigrich wrote:Bit harsh mate . We’re are totally different society to America. If you don’t like the state of affairs in Australia, you can always get more active in a legal way to try to change things. Aside from that just move to the US instead of making derogatory inflammatory comments on your fellow Australians. This sort of comparison creeps into every topic on this forum at some point. We don’t have a American constitution. We’re British colonies. We have a different set of rules. Deal with it. The topic is about a shooting in a Texas school. Let’s try to be constructive on that point
It's harsh mate but it's true and it's not just laws but more of a mindset and a cultural way of thinking . Americans do not punish the majority for the actions of a very minority group. Whilst in Australia and the rest of the former British Empire the Majority always lose freedoms for the actions of a minority group. One criminal does the wrong thing in Australia and everybody gets fingered for it, whilst the American way of thinking is to finger the person who did the wrong thing.
Yes you are correct the topic changed from the original point of the thread.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bigrich wrote:Americans do not punish the majority for the actions of a very minority group.
womble wrote:My teachers had the strap or the cane.
But they did’nt shoot us if we misbehaved.
cleger wrote:Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bigrich wrote:Americans do not punish the majority for the actions of a very minority group.
I don't wish to be harsh myself, but the whole thesis is false. One guy tries to set fire to his shoes, and we all shuffle shoeless through security. One guy poisons some Tylenol/Paracetamol, and we're dealing with impossible seals on our mustard jars decades later. I could go on and on.
We're the same people, and we live the same. Driving on opposite sides and whether to sit at the bar or a table amounts to a bigger difference than guns, which don't loom nearly as large in American imaginations as it may seem.
Re: the NRA getting involved... many of the people doing the shooting in this country have seen it before. It's not their first time, they're the real experts, and they know at least as much about the destructive potential of handguns as any fat bald guy in a khaki vest that the NRA might send.
No easy answers for America, I'm afraid.
Bugman wrote:womble wrote:My teachers had the strap or the cane.
But they did’nt shoot us if we misbehaved.
No strap, but I was made to stand in the corner by my teacher on a regular basis, so much so, I used to pre empt the possible situation and went and stood in the corner before she came into the classroom. Also glad she didn't have a gun.
cz515 wrote:
BR, you know it truly surprises me, we as a society don't show nationalism. Like a person putting an Australian flag on his house or car is considered a yobo
womble wrote:I see lots of Australian flags in rural areas around me, usually at the front gates.
No you don’t see it in the cities and suburbs much.
But that’s just part of our culture i think. We don’t really brag and show off or big note our nationalistic pride.
It’s real and palpable when we have to rise to any challenge though. When faced with any adversary.
We have a lot of people here who’ve come from far worse places on earth. Nearly all of us really. And that’s a lot of people who want this to be the best place on earth. And make it so.
Indigenous people. We are learning to listen more and acknowledge their story. And we are finding ways to help them feel proud too. It’s often difficult and often disheartening but all we can do is persist.
bigrich wrote:
now that's one thing i am big on is old school national pride . these days most woke agenda soft c@cks think your talking about being a right wing white supremasist neo nazi or something of that nature . i grew up in the 70's when folks were proud to be aussie and show it , even at the top . i remember when alan bond and australia 2 won the americas cup , even though the bad loser new york yaught club kept changing the rules. bob hawk had a open bbq at kirrabilly house and famously said "any boss who sacks a employee for a sickie today is a mug !" now that's australia . that's the australia i grew up in before computers, political correctness and meth changed our society. our history with aboriginals has eroded our sense of national pride as well i think . bit of work still needs to be done on both sides i think
"up australia youse mugs !"
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bigrich wrote:
now that's one thing i am big on is old school national pride . these days most woke agenda soft c@cks think your talking about being a right wing white supremasist neo nazi or something of that nature . i grew up in the 70's when folks were proud to be aussie and show it , even at the top . i remember when alan bond and australia 2 won the americas cup , even though the bad loser new york yaught club kept changing the rules. bob hawk had a open bbq at kirrabilly house and famously said "any boss who sacks a employee for a sickie today is a mug !" now that's australia . that's the australia i grew up in before computers, political correctness and meth changed our society. our history with aboriginals has eroded our sense of national pride as well i think . bit of work still needs to be done on both sides i think
"up australia youse mugs !"
That's the era I want to bring back mate.
bah! wrote:Patriotism is merely taking credit for someone else's achievements. In Australia and and the USA both, also overlooking a massacre or two, (ok well a few) usually as well.
bah! wrote:What, you reckon celebrating Captain Cook* discovering** Australia but overlooking a few massacres by his crew is the right thing to do? Least the Hawaiians got it right
Countries have nothing to do with community either.
* he wasn't actually a captain
** not actually a discovery
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:The law of conquest has existed since the dawn of time. The self governing colonies that would become states in the federation found and claimed this land in accordance with common practices of the law of conquest. I have the title deed to my block of land. I acquired my block of land legally. Who ever owned the land previously to me is irrelevant to my current state of ownership.
animalpest wrote:So if Catain Cook so bad, why wasn't there massacres on all the islands that he also visited?
Just a genuine question
disco stu wrote:So you're saying that because of Captain Cook, or whoever else that did something wrong, that people can't be proud of their country? Genuine question, not just trying to argue
disco stu wrote:Different story if the full intention of that group is just too cause harm. I'm thinking criminal groups, terrorists etc. The members of those are also proud to be members. I feel that is probably what you're getting at
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:The law of conquest has existed since the dawn of time. The self governing colonies that would become states in the federation found and claimed this land in accordance with common practices of the law of conquest. I have the title deed to my block of land. I acquired my block of land legally. Who ever owned the land previously to me is irrelevant to my current state of ownership.
animalpest wrote:So if Catain Cook so bad, why wasn't there massacres on all the islands that he also visited?
Just a genuine question
on_one_wheel wrote:Considering he was massacred by Fijian natives, he must have been a top bloke in their eyes
cleger wrote:
Those "practices" were "common" only to the conqueror.
What of the conquered, after a couple of centuries?
"Law of conquest" is one we don't hear enough anymore, so thanks for that.
Maybe I should get that incorporated into my own title.