When is,,, "enough is enough"

[mchughcb]

America has just committed $33B of which $20B is military aid. That total amount is about half of what the Gulf War cost estimate was at the beginning.

America just left around $10B of hardware? in Afghanistan. At this rate they are going to arm the entire world and won't be able to wage a war themselves. Maybe a good thing.

[straightshooter]

This clip will only make sense to non idiots.
Note the date.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1497638820925247488

[cz515]

And if you think closely.... USA is making us do the same with respect to China.

Exactly what I have been saying for ever. It is not in our self interest to go toe to toe with China.... and the whole of Australia is now paying for the actions of our politicians for the last 2/3 years, Ather you agree to it or not

[Oldbloke]

And if you think closely.... USA is making us do the same with respect to China.

Exactly what I have been saying for ever. It is not in our self interest to go toe to toe with China.... and the whole of Australia is now paying for the actions of our politicians for the last 2/3 years, Ather you agree to it or not

Perhaps? But we can't "bend over" either as you often suggest.

Don't forget, yanks have troops and facilities on the ground here, not in Ukraine.

[womble]

We would’nt make very good communists anyway.

[Oldbloke]

We would’nt make very good communists anyway.

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[womble]

And if you think closely.... USA is making us do the same with respect to China.

Exactly what I have been saying for ever. It is not in our self interest to go toe to toe with China.... and the whole of Australia is now paying for the actions of our politicians for the last 2/3 years, Ather you agree to it or not

Well apparently they were right about the Russians.
What if they’re likewise right about China.
Not that anyone cant see the the obvious, the chinese military build up has been astronomical and its posturing has been offensive. Did’nt really need US intelligence to tell us that. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vCDlghyG01w
Like all other countries china routinely harasses, we are not ok with it. We dont want their battleships on our coasts and their fighter jets in our airspace.
They all ready sanction us heavily because we haven’t been compliant with the ccp agenda.
They will not intimidate us into submission.
They should go back to their own country

[cz515]

And if you think closely.... USA is making us do the same with respect to China.

Exactly what I have been saying for ever. It is not in our self interest to go toe to toe with China.... and the whole of Australia is now paying for the actions of our politicians for the last 2/3 years, Ather you agree to it or not

Perhaps? But we can't "bend over" either as you often suggest.

Don't forget, yanks have troops and facilities on the ground here, not in Ukraine.

No I didn't say that. Again do not make sheet up. Unless ofcourse it's a bit hard to comprehend for you.


Further you have been saying it... and referring to Vaseline. Honestly though, do you even read before you start typing your reply.

Come on tell us

[Oldbloke]

And if you think closely.... USA is making us do the same with respect to China.

Exactly what I have been saying for ever. It is not in our self interest to go toe to toe with China.... and the whole of Australia is now paying for the actions of our politicians for the last 2/3 years, Ather you agree to it or not

Perhaps? But we can't "bend over" either as you often suggest.

Don't forget, yanks have troops and facilities on the ground here, not in Ukraine.

No I didn't say that. Again do not make sheet up. Unless ofcourse it's a bit hard to comprehend for you.


Further you have been saying it... and referring to Vaseline. Honestly though, do you even read before you start typing your reply.

Come on tell us

Mate, we know, China can do no wrong in your eyes.

[cz515]

Ok OB. I never said that.

But I can now see you trolling.

Play the person when you don't have an argument.

[Oldbloke]

I'm sure it's more complicated than what we see on the media.

But Pootin was the aggressor. Many thousands have died.

Does that make him a mass murderer? In my books it does. .

[mchughcb]

Yeah. Right on.

https://youtu.be/dcp0TYx_eUI

[Oldbloke]

Yeah. Right on.

https://youtu.be/dcp0TYx_eUI

Lol. You can't be working.

I'm retired and don't have time to watch over an hour of that crap.

[mchughcb]

Yeah. Right on.

https://youtu.be/dcp0TYx_eUI

Lol. You can't be working.

I'm retired and don't have time to watch over an hour of that crap.

Well you certainly have time to post a lot of the said description.:

[cz515]

Yeah. Right on.

https://youtu.be/dcp0TYx_eUI

Lol. You can't be working.

I'm retired and don't have time to watch over an hour of that crap.

Well you certainly have time to post a lot of the said description.:

Hahaha good one


Putin, Bush same same

Ohh wait they were brown skinned and muslims so they don't count.... just like all the reporters were saying.

[straightshooter]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1527092111195226114

[Oldbloke]

Yeah. Right on.

https://youtu.be/dcp0TYx_eUI

Lol. You can't be working.

I'm retired and don't have time to watch over an hour of that crap.

Well you certainly have time to post a lot of the said description.:

Interesting that you push that video. I think he is older than Biden. You know, the bloke you say is too old. Lol

[mchughcb]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1527092111195226114

Seen that. The ultimate Freudian slip. But it's okay when we do it.

[womble]

At least wmd’s was more plausible than nazi jews.
At least your average Russian is still far dumber than your average American.

[straightshooter]

So, it seems that for certain people some varieties of lies are preferable to other varieties of lies.

[womble]

Most all would condemn the lies in both events.
Yet it would seem, some make a feeble attempt to justify one because of the other.

[Larry]

I think the question in the title could apply to so many of the threads on this forum that just descend into arguments that just go on and on.

[mchughcb]

At least wmd’s was more plausible than nazi jews.
At least your average Russian is still far dumber than your average American.

1. There were no WMD in Iraq when the USA invaded. I was in Stockholm 6 weeks before the invasion talking to Hans Blix nephew at the SAS Raddison who told me as much.

2. The Azov Battalion has its political roots with Banderra and they are the last vestiges of the WWII Nazism.

3. I have met the average Rusdian in Moscow and St Petersberg and the average American from Washington to California from Oregan to Florida. People are smart and dumb everywhere. Or just plain senile.

[brett1868]

Long time no post but wanted to set a few things straight as I have a better idea of the situation in Ukraine then most...
Donbas has never been part of Russia - https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/uk ... in-513812/
Large numbers of Russians moved into the Donbas region for work and decided they didn't like being part of Ukraine so they started a revolt with Moscow's backing. If China tried the same s**t in Australia you'd be screaming for international assistance and bombing the crap out of them as well.
Crimea was originally occupied by the Turks but lost to Russia before being handed to Ukraine in 1951 so it's legally Ukrainian territory.
There are 4 other NATO member countries bordering Russia so why Ukraine and why now?
Russia signed a security agreement with Ukraine in return for the stockpile of soviet era nuclear weapons.
Nazi claims, Of course there are Nazi fanbois in Ukraine, probably a few more then in Melbourne or Cronulla. The Wagner group and Spartan battalions employed as mercenaries by Putin are run by Nazi wannabes, in fact Wagner was named in honour of Hitler's favourite composer. The Nazi excuse is just propaganda to sell his actions.
Vast reserves of gas and oil were discovered recently in the eastern parts of Ukraine, Russia wants them to protect their energy monopoly over Europe and of course the Americans will spend billions in order keep sleepy Joes kid in a job.
Putin's just another despot dictator no different to any of the others....sooner the prick dies the better.

[womble]

Exactly right Brett.
And your complaint service was excellent. I feel much better now.

[mchughcb]

That's great Brett. No where in your post have you mentioned the Minsk agreements or NATO expansion.

In any case as 40 billion worth of arms floods into Ukraine and the UA surrenders en masse I'm glad the news keeps telling me they are winning the war.

[mchughcb]

Here is Bush describing how they will fit in Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian.

https://youtu.be/8ADIxTYyJLo

[brett1868]

That's great Brett. No where in your post have you mentioned the Minsk agreements or NATO expansion.

In any case as 40 billion worth of arms floods into Ukraine and the UA surrenders en masse I'm glad the news keeps telling me they are winning the war.

Minsk 1 was a failure with violations on both sides, Minsk 2 was never fully implemented and also a failure once Russian troops crossed the border.

As for NATO - have a read of this https://www.nato.int/nrc-website/media/59451/1997_nato_russia_founding_act.pdf

Surrendering of troops in Mariupol, a great move when viewed tactically as they will be exchanged for Russian prisoners and be back on the front lines in no time. Ukraine will have battle hardened veterans and the canon fodder will go back to expose the lies spread by the dictator.

This will be a war or attrition with the question being will Ukraine run out of soldiers before Russia runs out of weapons?.

[Oldbloke]

Welcome back Brett. Agree with you.

[brett1868]

Welcome back Brett. Agree with you.

Been busy trolling vegans and greenies on FB but still look in here on occasion.
I've spent some time in Ukraine and Russia and as you know, my wife is Ukrainian so this situation hits close to home. We managed to get my mother in-law out of Kherson almost 3 weeks ago which is a massive relief. She has seen first hand with her own eyes the atrocities committed by the Russian military so it's not fake news or propaganda I base my knowledge on.
Aus Titles are back on this year at Warracknabeal late September if you're in the neighbourhood, I'm looking to take out title number 6