When is,,, "enough is enough"

[cz515]

Ok I think that’s enough internet for you today

Says the kid who has been posting videos watched by 10 people

[Oldbloke]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

Hmm where were you when US/UK invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Where were you when America yet again threatened and forced a democratically elected government in Pakistan.

Or is that because they are not white skinned with blue eyes..... as many media reporters said... how dare Russia invade a country like Ukraine they are white and civilised

Why the F do you keep raising Afghanistan? Has SFA to do with Ukraine.

You either can't read, don't understand.... or choose to ignore. Of the three the third is the most deplorable.

Let me try and explain for you.

So a country invades another country to install their puppet government. Kills tens of thousands if not millions of people in the process. Using excuses which are likely to be found to be untrue in the future.

You can replace the two countries with

America -> Iraq
America ->Afghanistan
Russia -> Ukraine

All very, very old news. Reported many, many times. We don't need you to keep repeating it over, and over, and over. Pathetic really.

Different time and place.

This is about Russia and Ukraine .

[mchughcb]

Duh, 43 billion into Ukraine by the USA not even a declaration of war.

60 billion for gulf war.

Not about USA? Ffs this is a proxy war in a country with a superpower.

[cz515]

All very, very old news. Reported many, many times. We don't need you to keep repeating it over, and over, and over. Pathetic really.

Different time and place.

This is about Russia and Ukraine .

No mate 1 year ago is not old news. Actually saying old news doesn't change the fact what happened and just shows how blind some people are. I would say some could argue the word "racist".

[cz515]

Duh, 43 billion into Ukraine by the USA not even a declaration of war.

60 billion for gulf war.

Not about USA? Ffs this is a proxy war in a country with a superpower.

Mate it's simple.

No American lives lost.
They spend 50 billion the return on investment for their companies is 10 fold right now. But when eventually the war finishes who do you think will go into Ukraine to help it rebuild. Who will be running security on their infrastructure. Who will buy out Ukrainian land. And best of all Ukraine will need to pay back the 50 billion with interest or pay for an American military base and all the soldiers stationed there to save it from Russia

[cz515]

88% of US currency in circulation now was printed in the last 2-2.5 years. Since late 2019.

They need a war to justify spending all this money and this creating the demand to prop up their currency. What currencies do countries pay in to buy all the military hardware to give to Ukraine.... American dollar.

[Oldbloke]

God help us. It goes on and on and on.

[mchughcb]

Well now they are saying the Ukrainians are losing 600-1000 dead per day due to artillery in the donbass. They won't sustain those loses for long.

[Oldbloke]

Well now they are saying the Ukrainians are losing 600-1000 dead per day due to artillery in the donbass. They won't sustain those loses for long.

Agree. Hope your wrong tho.

War us sh1t. To state the obvious.

[cz515]

God help us. It goes on and on and on.

Its ok mate, if you don't understand basic economics principles then accept it and we move on.

[mchughcb]

Well now they are saying the Ukrainians are losing 600-1000 dead per day due to artillery in the donbass. They won't sustain those loses for long.

Agree. Hope your wrong tho.

War us sh1t. To state the obvious.

Glad we sent them bushmasters. Infact I saw one with the Australian telling everyone to join him before he was bombed, blowup on the side of the road.
Freedom fighter = mercenary = captured = death sentence.
https://youtu.be/RsCHwvHitdg

[straightshooter]

Duh, 43 billion into Ukraine by the USA not even a declaration of war.

60 billion for gulf war.

Not about USA? Ffs this is a proxy war in a country with a superpower.

A recent post from Kim Dotcom
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/15 ... 8610348032

[Oldbloke]

God help us. It goes on and on and on.

Its ok mate, if you don't understand basic economics principles then accept it and we move on.

Your missing the point sport.

I understand very well. Just sick of hearing the same sh1t repeated daily from you.

This is about Ukraine and Russia not past wars.

If you hate the US that's fine. Perhaps they killed your brother, don't know, but this is not the forum.

Suggest you get a life

[cz515]

If USA was a company/business its directors would be in jail under Australian laws due to them running an unsolvant business... decades ago.

And the great reset... it needs 3 things

War
Famine
Pestilence

Everyone needs to think about that

[Oldbloke]

If USA was a company/business its directors would be in jail under Australian laws due to them running an unsolvant business... decades ago

Suggest you talk about firearms, if you own any. Or reloading or hunting. Your starting to look like a keyboard warrior or a troll.

[mchughcb]

Duh, 43 billion into Ukraine by the USA not even a declaration of war.

60 billion for gulf war.

Not about USA? Ffs this is a proxy war in a country with a superpower.

A recent post from Kim Dotcom
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/15 ... 8610348032

Spot on. The USA are bleeding with inflation coming off covid with a border crisis of its own. Zelensky needs the USA to pay $6B per month to fund his war effort.
USA are not in a good way to mount a serious proxy war on anyone, let alone a superpower on their doorstep.

Putin has time and resources. The rest of europe doesn't. They pull the pin on support and Biden gets smashed in the mid terms this could all change very quickly.

[wanneroo]

Spot on. The USA are bleeding with inflation coming off covid with a border crisis of its own. Zelensky needs the USA to pay $6B per month to fund his war effort.
USA are not in a good way to mount a serious proxy war on anyone, let alone a superpower on their doorstep.

Putin has time and resources. The rest of europe doesn't. They pull the pin on support and Biden gets smashed in the mid terms this could all change very quickly.

Inflation right now in the USA is crippling. My costs have exploded this year. You bump into anyone in the street or have a conversation anywhere and inflation I would say is the number 1 topic here along with biden's incompetence. The border and the crime issues in democrat cities are the next in line as popular topics. Both the border and crime can be fixed with some effort and actually enforcing existing laws on the books.

They say official inflation is 8% . When gasoline has more than doubled since Trump, electricity up 43%, regular food staples I buy have gone up 30, 50, over 100%, other goods up 20 to over 100%, that ain't 8%.

Ukraine really isn't much discussed over here.

Mostly in regards to support we and other countries are sending our old stocks and surplus to Ukraine for them to use. A lot of it in good condition but at the point it was going to be replaced anyways.

Personally I don't have a big fear of a wider war with Russia because they've got their own issues and have a hard enough time trying to seize a part of Ukraine. They are inflicting losses on the Ukrainians but also have lost significant amounts themselves and they can only go on so long before they get tapped out.

[womble]

Bushmasters have performed admirably.
We did lose one late last month. But they’ve been brilliant

[womble]

Duh, 43 billion into Ukraine by the USA not even a declaration of war.

60 billion for gulf war.

Not about USA? Ffs this is a proxy war in a country with a superpower.

Mate it's simple.

No American lives lost.
They spend 50 billion the return on investment for their companies is 10 fold right now. But when eventually the war finishes who do you think will go into Ukraine to help it rebuild. Who will be running security on their infrastructure. Who will buy out Ukrainian land. And best of all Ukraine will need to pay back the 50 billion with interest or pay for an American military base and all the soldiers stationed there to save it from Russia

All the good stuff
And much much more.
Join the European Union and prop that up. Hopefully get accepted into Nato down the track.
Free trade and enterprise, tourism, resources, manufacturing.
They chose our side of the fence. That’s the destiny they want. And our support will be never ending. They will not fail at any cost.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The birth of a free nation is a beautiful thing. Though their sacrifice will be enormous, it is the foundation that will bond future generations for eternity.
And I will celebrate their Independence Day
Glory to Ukraine

[womble]

Shout out to Finland too.
Population 4 million. Outstanding bravery joining nato.
Touch them and the Nordic countries will rain down on you en masse.

[cz515]

Wannaroo what do you think is causing the inflation, higher "gas/ fuel" prices, that also effects transport costs for everything.

Do you want to guess one of the main reasons for increase in oil price.... yep the embargo on Russia as i said earlier it was the 2nd biggest producer of oil after Saudi Arabia. And was never inder control of the opec cartel


Womble, Mate sooner rather then later the support will die, the unlimited rivers of money will finish then what?


Mchughcb i think the gift of $6B will increase rapidly. And that probably doesn't include the foreign aid coming for humanitarian reasons

[mchughcb]

$64B is nothing. When winter hits Europe can't go on. People will freeze and starve.

No amount of Greta Thunberg virtual signalling is going to help as the walls of reality collapse.

[cz515]

Haha that's probably true.

Everytime i see someone complain about high prices of fuel and inflation, i do go umm have you considered that our governments are responsible for part of it by directly supporting the war.

Plus the money printing of the US etc etc etc

[womble]

Haha that's probably true.

Everytime i see someone complain about high prices of fuel and inflation, i do go umm have you considered that our governments are responsible for part of it by directly supporting the war.

Plus the money printing of the US etc etc etc

Not our governments.
There's barely any countries that support the war with Ukraine.
Cuba, Venezuela.. that's about it really.
No one else sees any justification for it.

[cz515]

I think you got confused by my wording.

Supporting the extension of the war. You support Ukraine give it arms etc to fight Russia, that means war goes on for longer. Probably Won't change the outcome.

Cuz if putin is a dictator he will not care about loss of life.

Anyway the liver the war goes on, longer are has/oil/Wheat supplies going to be offline resulting in higher prices.

Not sure if new world order is coming, but it requires famine.... and we will get that


And inflation is going to gobup even more, as many tasking companies have fixed contracts, they are bleeding cash. So come time for next contract renewal those companies left standing will be definitely charging a hefty premium. And when there is less competition the prices rise even more.

[wanneroo]

Wannaroo what do you think is causing the inflation, higher "gas/ fuel" prices, that also effects transport costs for everything.

Do you want to guess one of the main reasons for increase in oil price.... yep the embargo on Russia as i said earlier it was the 2nd biggest producer of oil after Saudi Arabia. And was never inder control of the opec cartel

Pretty simple. The lockdowns caused horrendous disruption in the economy and in the supply chain at all levels and then when one domino falls it can trigger a chain reaction down the line. So you had a massive reduction in the availability both goods and services but then the US government printed $10 Trillion dollars and threw it everywhere in the air. More money chasing much fewer goods and services=inflation.

[mchughcb]

Haha that's probably true.

Everytime i see someone complain about high prices of fuel and inflation, i do go umm have you considered that our governments are responsible for part of it by directly supporting the war.

Plus the money printing of the US etc etc etc

Not our governments.
There's barely any countries that support the war with Ukraine.
Cuba, Venezuela.. that's about it really.
No one else sees any justification for it.

Maybe. But India and China where 1/3 of the population lives are neutral, so that is more telling that some country like NZ and Australia virtual signalling like anybody even cares.

They way things are shaping up there are mini encirclements that are going to fall like a house of cards. Now its the Astol chemical factory, if they are not careful about 70,000 soldiers are going to be cutoff in the next few weeks and that will be the end of the Ukranian army.

I saw another article today, depending on who you believe either 1000 dead per day or 1000 taken out of action. Another month of this they are finished. I have been watching the propaganda, I notice no more tanks wars from the Ukranians because they are all gone. Notice their's hardly any more Javelin kills because either they are all gone or the Russians have wisened up to it. I do notice that the Russian air defense has wiped out a few more Ukranian jets which means their air defense system is working well, and that is the one thing they cannot afford to lose.

Encirclements. This is what the Russians do.

https://youtu.be/1CqGeAmVu1I

[womble]

So naive.
Neutrality means they can't offer support.
Which Is what putler wants and direly needs from them.
India is a military ally.
China could get around all sanctions.
It's known as proactive neutrality

[cz515]

So naive.
Neutrality means they can't offer support.
Which Is what putler wants and direly needs from them.
India is a military ally.
China could get around all sanctions.
It's known as proactive neutrality

I know our media keeps harking about AKUS and India. While the actions from their politicians and military is completely opposite.

India has been buying oil from Russia... for a big discount mind you. And China has been supplying them military equipment.

And now the bigger question is, has the media lost interest, or they don't want to report on how bad Ukraine is doing. They are slowly losing the war.

The best report today was that Ukraine has only gotten 10% of the military equipment promised by the Western governments. When poland has to come and say that on world media, means things are starting to get dicey

[geoff]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

Hmm where were you when US/UK invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Where were you when America yet again threatened and forced a democratically elected government in Pakistan.

Or is that because they are not white skinned with blue eyes..... as many media reporters said... how dare Russia invade a country like Ukraine they are white and civilised

Why the F do you keep raising Afghanistan? Has SFA to do with Ukraine.

It has plenty to do with Ukraine actually! Putin's old boys the USSR tried and failed dismally to take Afghanistan in the 80s...that war bled the Soviets dry and was arguably the biggest contributor to its dissolution. Were the Union not dissolved and Ukraine was under the Moskva thumb then Putin would be a very different man and the world a very different place.

By no means am I saying it would be a good thing. But to disregard the American war in Afghanisation, following the Soviets, as SFA to do with the modern conflict is the most narrow assessment of geopolitics and conflict politics I could imagine. The wasteful American folly of bravado in Afghan this century is going to be a very good juxtapostion to the wasteful russian folly in Ukraine