When is,,, "enough is enough"

[mchughcb]

That's great Brett. No where in your post have you mentioned the Minsk agreements or NATO expansion.

In any case as 40 billion worth of arms floods into Ukraine and the UA surrenders en masse I'm glad the news keeps telling me they are winning the war.

Minsk 1 was a failure with violations on both sides, Minsk 2 was never fully implemented and also a failure once Russian troops crossed the border.

As for NATO - have a read of this https://www.nato.int/nrc-website/media/59451/1997_nato_russia_founding_act.pdf

Surrendering of troops in Mariupol, a great move when viewed tactically as they will be exchanged for Russian prisoners and be back on the front lines in no time. Ukraine will have battle hardened veterans and the canon fodder will go back to expose the lies spread by the dictator.

This will be a war or attrition with the question being will Ukraine run out of soldiers before Russia runs out of weapons?.

There's 15,000 Ukrainian POWs at the moment.
They start mopping up soon there's going lot more.

Who knows but I'm seeing captured NATO gear on telegram everyday.

[mchughcb]

According to zelensky and the Western media the Azov was evacuated. No mention of surrender.

Seems to be a lot of "go f##k yourself# and fight to the last man while they quietly surrender.

[brett1868]

According to zelensky and the Western media the Azov was evacuated. No mention of surrender.

Seems to be a lot of "go f##k yourself# and fight to the last man while they quietly surrender.

It was a surrender and pretty well covered but the thing I find interesting is there's no independent numbers on Ukraine's losses of soldiers or equipment. Plenty of pics and videos of the pop top Russian tanks and trainloads of Russian corpses but nothing of the Ukraine losses. I'm pro Ukraine but even I see the one sided media in this and don't like it.

[Oldbloke]

Welcome back Brett. Agree with you.

Been busy trolling vegans and greenies on FB but still look in here on occasion.
I've spent some time in Ukraine and Russia and as you know, my wife is Ukrainian so this situation hits close to home. We managed to get my mother in-law out of Kherson almost 3 weeks ago which is a massive relief. She has seen first hand with her own eyes the atrocities committed by the Russian military so it's not fake news or propaganda I base my knowledge on.
Aus Titles are back on this year at Warracknabeal late September if you're in the neighbourhood, I'm looking to take out title number 6

Been wondering how your MIL went. Glad to hear you got the her out Brett. Will she be OK?
I bet the Mrs and boy are very relieved.

I expect to pass through that way early August, but September is not likely but it's possible.
Keep me informed pls. Would be great to catch up.

[brett1868]

Been wondering how your MIL went. Glad to hear you got the her out Brett. Will she be OK?
I bet the Mrs and boy are very relieved.

She's awesome mate, currently in the kitchen having shots with my wife and a few of her Russian girlfriends. I'm in for a long, loud night before putting my taxi driver hat on and taking the girls home. If north west NSW is an option the bugout is just about finished if you want to play at 1000yds or we can go over to my cousins for some 2 mile practise

[Oldbloke]

Wow, so she is home with you. Fantastic.

[mchughcb]

According to zelensky and the Western media the Azov was evacuated. No mention of surrender.

Seems to be a lot of "go f##k yourself# and fight to the last man while they quietly surrender.

It was a surrender and pretty well covered but the thing I find interesting is there's no independent numbers on Ukraine's losses of soldiers or equipment. Plenty of pics and videos of the pop top Russian tanks and trainloads of Russian corpses but nothing of the Ukraine losses. I'm pro Ukraine but even I see the one sided media in this and don't like it.

Here you go https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/a ... inian.html

[Die Judicii]

Yay, Good to have ya back Brett.

[Oldbloke]

I think Arnold Schwarzenegger said "enough"

https://youtu.be/fWClXZd9c78

[mchughcb]

I love Arnie. Especially that he was getting relief with the married mexican maid and producing a love child while the wife was out. Show's he's human and stupid.

[Oldbloke]

I love Arnie. Especially that he was getting relief with the married mexican maid and producing a love child while the wife was out. Show's he's human, can still get it up and has the $ to pay.

Just a minor correction for you.

[mchughcb]

He was 49 when the Joseph was born.
This means he was impregnating his maid at the age of 48.
Who has erectile dysfunction at the age of 49 ffs.

[Oldbloke]

I didn't know his age.
Actually, who would google that?

[straightshooter]

According to zelensky and the Western media the Azov was evacuated. No mention of surrender.

Seems to be a lot of "go f##k yourself# and fight to the last man while they quietly surrender.

It was a surrender and pretty well covered but the thing I find interesting is there's no independent numbers on Ukraine's losses of soldiers or equipment. Plenty of pics and videos of the pop top Russian tanks and trainloads of Russian corpses but nothing of the Ukraine losses. I'm pro Ukraine but even I see the one sided media in this and don't like it.

Here you go https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/a ... inian.html

This article may lead to a better understanding of the of what is happening.
https://sonar21.com/is-u-s-intelligence ... crewed-up/
The only way to have a clear rational view is to regard all the players with equal disdain, otherwise one risks being a "one eyed barracker".

[womble]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

[on_one_wheel]

"A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country"

By a nutty dictator who's physically ill, loosing his marbles, believed the western world is against him, surrounded himself with yes man who back his every decision and stroke his ego and who's openly threatened the western world with nuclear war if we engage.

I hope a couple of Black Hawk choppers full of marines drop in on him for a quick visit.

[straightshooter]

"A nation at peace"
I never cease to be amazed at how "one eyed barrackers" manage to diligently avoid antithetical facts.

[on_one_wheel]

"A nation at peace"
I never cease to be amazed at how "one eyed barrackers" manage to diligently avoid antithetical facts.

OK, so enlighten us

[womble]

Well it’s pretty simple really.
When your “ antithetical facts” are “a special operation to liberate Ukraine from the nazis”

[on_one_wheel]

Well it’s pretty simple really.
When your “ antithetical facts” are “a special operation to liberate Ukraine from the nazis”

I was hoping you'd be putting forward some facts, perhaps you have nothing to back your opinion you know... the "antithetical facts" you mentioned.

[cz515]

I didn't know his age.
Actually, who would google that?

Yet again my friend you are shooting before you are ready..... maybe ED is your thing. Atleast the ED of the brain

[cz515]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

Hmm where were you when US/UK invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Where were you when America yet again threatened and forced a democratically elected government in Pakistan.

Or is that because they are not white skinned with blue eyes..... as many media reporters said... how dare Russia invade a country like Ukraine they are white and civilised

[on_one_wheel]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

Hmm where were you when US/UK invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Where were you when America yet again threatened and forced a democratically elected government in Pakistan.

Or is that because they are not white skinned with blue eyes..... as many media reporters said... how dare Russia invade a country like Ukraine they are white and civilised

I think he's busy googling antithetical facts.
Antithetical "facts" that show Putin is not a Nazi

[womble]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RHAo8sTODPM

[mchughcb]

Well it’s pretty simple really.
When your “ antithetical facts” are “a special operation to liberate Ukraine from the nazis”

That was one of the stated goals. Met with incredulity from people unfamiliar how many jews and other people Bandera along with the Nazis killed during WW2.

Then imagine their surprise that more than 1700 people surrendered in the Azov steel factory and with of all things, Nazi tattoos

As I said before. Enough is enough when Putin decides its enough. Either he follows through on the Donbass and Crimea or he gets so pissed off they wipe Zelensky off the map. In reality they need Zelensky because they need him to surrender so the troops do surrender. lay down their guns and accept their fate. If they kill him then there will be guerilla warfare for years given how much munitions have been dumped there.

[Oldbloke]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

Hmm where were you when US/UK invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Where were you when America yet again threatened and forced a democratically elected government in Pakistan.

Or is that because they are not white skinned with blue eyes..... as many media reporters said... how dare Russia invade a country like Ukraine they are white and civilised

Why the F do you keep raising Afghanistan? Has SFA to do with Ukraine.

[mchughcb]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

Hmm where were you when US/UK invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Where were you when America yet again threatened and forced a democratically elected government in Pakistan.

Or is that because they are not white skinned with blue eyes..... as many media reporters said... how dare Russia invade a country like Ukraine they are white and civilised

Why the F do you keep raising Afghanistan? Has SFA to do with Ukraine.

Yeah has nothing to do with the industrial military complex. USA spent 8 trillion on the war on terror. Them goat herders need to be held to account.

https://www.brown.edu/news/2021-09-01/costsofwar

[womble]

Ukraine wasn’t in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Neither were the nazis.
The nazis were 1933 to 1945 and they lost. Badly. Unconditional surrender.
The current year is 2022.
Hope that brings some clarity

[womble]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

Hmm where were you when US/UK invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Where were you when America yet again threatened and forced a democratically elected government in Pakistan.

Or is that because they are not white skinned with blue eyes..... as many media reporters said... how dare Russia invade a country like Ukraine they are white and civilised

Ok I think that’s enough internet for you today

[cz515]

Pretty simple really
A nation at peace is being invaded by a foreign country. (Maybe you missed that part)
Resistance far greater than anticipated.

Hmm where were you when US/UK invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Where were you when America yet again threatened and forced a democratically elected government in Pakistan.

Or is that because they are not white skinned with blue eyes..... as many media reporters said... how dare Russia invade a country like Ukraine they are white and civilised

Why the F do you keep raising Afghanistan? Has SFA to do with Ukraine.

You either can't read, don't understand.... or choose to ignore. Of the three the third is the most deplorable.

Let me try and explain for you.

So a country invades another country to install their puppet government. Kills tens of thousands if not millions of people in the process. Using excuses which are likely to be found to be untrue in the future.

You can replace the two countries with

America -> Iraq
America ->Afghanistan
Russia -> Ukraine