When is,,, "enough is enough"

[mchughcb]

It’s just what Russia does to break a country and it’s people.
We saw it in Grozny in the 90’s and Syria more recently.
They target civilian infrastructure when their enemy retreats. They bomb the critical civilian infrastructure in the residential areas. Medical facilities, transport hubs etc. they want to make it as difficult as possible for aid agencies to get in there.
They want to teach them a lesson and leave reminders for the future that the men will come home to.

Last time I checked Aleppo was held for 4 years by Nato alliances with wait for it - Al Nusra

and when the Russians stepped in the siege was broken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... %80%932016)

[Oldbloke]

Ouch

https://youtu.be/dpTTWYNVSlw

[womble]

Lots of goodies on the way https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542533803113054208

[mchughcb]

Ouch

https://youtu.be/dpTTWYNVSlw

What's next you going to send me a simulation of you tea bagging a dead avatar in Halo?

People so stupid they think a screen capture of a video game is real.

[mchughcb]

Lots of goodies on the way https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542533803113054208

Russians are firing 50 000 artillery rounds a day. 600,000 is not even 2 weeks of equivalent return fire. 600 tanks? They aren't going to make it to the front line.

[straightshooter]

This is what war really look like.
(not for squeamish)
https://askeptic.substack.com/p/the-unr ... war-0001?u

[cz515]

Ohh mchughcb mate, the old man is old...he can't tell the difference Bertram reality and video games.

Hint look at the fireballs/explosions look a bit too blocky.... these guys need to get Hollywood special effects guys... but still at 3million views they made a fair bit of coin on YouTube.

[wanneroo]

This war is going to go on for a while I believe and in the end will do neither country favors.

[mchughcb]

This war is going to go on for a while I believe and in the end will do neither country favors.

Probably, but it ends when Putin says enough, not when Zelensky, NATO or the USA says so.

[cz515]

This war is going to go on for a while I believe and in the end will do neither country favors.

Probably, but it ends when Putin says enough, not when Zelensky, NATO or the USA says so.

True.


And today i was reading how African and Asian third world countries will have famine because the ports are blocked. Remember i said Ukraine produces 10% of the expert of wheat in the world... yeah while we can afford to pay extra 10% for our breads someone in Africa will be going without food

[mchughcb]

Ouch

https://youtu.be/dpTTWYNVSlw

This is the Russians flattening toshkivka before azotol sterl factory. Not many tik tok videos of farmers stealing tanks these days they are just flattening any resistance.

https://youtu.be/PAKRobs5I9g

[Oldbloke]

Ouch

https://youtu.be/dpTTWYNVSlw

This is the Russians flattening toshkivka before azotol sterl factory. Not many tik tok videos of farmers stealing tanks these days they are just flattening any resistance.

https://youtu.be/PAKRobs5I9g

From Bollywood?

[mchughcb]

WTF are you on about. Lysychansk is probably going to fall within a day. They are being routed.

[womble]

Ouch

https://youtu.be/dpTTWYNVSlw

This is the Russians flattening toshkivka before azotol sterl factory. Not many tik tok videos of farmers stealing tanks these days they are just flattening any resistance.

https://youtu.be/PAKRobs5I9g

Reminds me of the Americans in Vietnam late 60’s
“ in order to save the village we had to destroy it “ unnamed major.
Brutally absurd with no regard for civilian casualties.

Didnt weaken resistance. Seems their campaign has reached a dead end and likely they won’t realise it for years.
Critics being rounded up at home.
More mass graves being unearthed.
Forced conscription.
Familiar story.

[Oldbloke]

WTF are you on about. Lysychansk is probably going to fall within a day. They are being routed.

Looks fake to me. Just another fake video.

[Oldbloke]

Lol.

https://youtu.be/wRQIuxE3Mx0

[mchughcb]

WTF are you on about. Lysychansk is probably going to fall within a day. They are being routed.

Looks fake to me. Just another fake video.

Yeah okay, you keep telling yourself that, Toshkivka is clearly stated in the video before and looking at google maps it looks like it. Bakhmut is next, they are getting routed very quickly

[womble]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/world/europe/ukraine-war-civilian-casualties.html

[cz515]

You do realise it's a war... and civilian deaths is a reality of war esp when they are being used as human shields.

Actually looking at any war in the last 50 years, the cilia get hammered. Hence i used to laugh when ppl talk about Chinese invading Australia .... most people watching these videos have no concept of reality of war

[mchughcb]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/world/europe/ukraine-war-civilian-casualties.html

The 600,000 people died in Iraq as a direct or indirect consequence of the USA invasion along with help from the UK and Australia.

Lucky this war isn't anywhere near that.

[Oldbloke]

WTF are you on about. Lysychansk is probably going to fall within a day. They are being routed.

Looks fake to me. Just another fake video.

Yeah okay, you keep telling yourself that, Toshkivka is clearly stated in the video before and looking at google maps it looks like it. Bakhmut is next, they are getting routed very quickly

Well, I guess that makes you happy then?

[womble]

Not for squeamish https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fejo8cXMpSw

[mchughcb]

WTF are you on about. Lysychansk is probably going to fall within a day. They are being routed.

Looks fake to me. Just another fake video.

Yeah okay, you keep telling yourself that, Toshkivka is clearly stated in the video before and looking at google maps it looks like it. Bakhmut is next, they are getting routed very quickly

Well, I guess that makes you happy then?

The faster this is over the better. Less people die.
So that's the best of a bad situation.

[mchughcb]

Nothing to see here

https://youtu.be/wMMXuKB0BoY

[Oldbloke]

Correct, nothing to see.

[mchughcb]

Well Lysychansk is now fully encircled. There is some fighting going on but they won't last long. I see another 38 of dad's army just surrendered. Next stop Kramatorsk. I see they are still knocking down a couple of UA jets per day. At this rate they won't have any air support by the end of the month.

[womble]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo63uSs1UdI

[womble]

Well Lysychansk is now fully encircled. There is some fighting going on but they won't last long. I see another 38 of dad's army just surrendered. Next stop Kramatorsk. I see they are still knocking down a couple of UA jets per day. At this rate they won't have any air support by the end of the month.

No tactical advantage in defending Lysychansk now.
Better to save as many people as they can and what’s left of the city.
Just an exercise to further exhaust the slave army.

[womble]

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-2

[mchughcb]

Well that didn't last a day. Lysychansk is gone. Luhansk is basically gone. Donetsk is next. As soon as the rail is repaired and they can mobilise heavy gear and troops they are going to spearhead west.

The landing ship that was sunk was raised and being repaired in Crimea. I guess with the 6 of them they'll go straight up the dnipir and land on the west side and establish a bridge head to the east.

All this retired nato generals on the mainstream media that keep talking about slow progress west are about to get a rude shock.