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Post by NTSOG » 01 Sep 2022, 11:05 am

Two recent headlines:

August 24: California bans sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035.

August 30: California asks Californians to avoid charging electric vehicles due to electricity shortages.

I see a small problem here ...

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Post by northdude » 01 Sep 2022, 3:07 pm

They are pushing for it here as well but we dont have the capacity to charge them either. I guess a new tax will sort it tho. Or even better make it the non electric car drivers fault...
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Post by on_one_wheel » 01 Sep 2022, 4:37 pm

Most of the world's governments seem to be s**ting themselves over climate change suddenly.
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Post by rc42 » 02 Sep 2022, 12:02 pm

It only take a few sequential years of record climate events to help the masses see that climate change is real, once they accept that they look at the science and realize the proverbial is going to hit the fan big time.

Fossil fuel companies have funded their own 'science' reports to debunk climate change and discredit green alternatives, they have blatantly paid off politicians and media organizations to keep laws and public opinion in line and blocking green projects to lock in a need for their products for decades to come.

However, once people can see climate change out of their own window it becomes real and the need to broadcast stories of disasters from around the world is far more lucrative to media companies than following the prescribed narrative.


Governments seem to be stuck trying to do 'something' when in reality it's too late and they should have done it 20 years ago.
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Post by Gamerancher » 02 Sep 2022, 12:09 pm

Really mate?, the media have been on the climate change bandwagon since it was called "GLOBAL WARMING" in the early '90's and we were all going to fry to death.
Of course a period of record cool temps stuffed that narrative up so it was rebranded "CLIMATE CHANGE".
But it looks like you are up with it so I'm all ears, do you have any actual qualifications in climate science or do we just take your word for it?
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Post by No1_49er » 02 Sep 2022, 12:33 pm

I'm waiting for the media and the pollies to change the term to "Changing climate", which it most certainly is.
Probably wouldn't suit their narrative, though.
But man-made?
Yeh, right.
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Post by northdude » 02 Sep 2022, 2:13 pm

And some how a tax can change the climate....or emmisions trading or what ever it is....
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Post by on_one_wheel » 02 Sep 2022, 9:47 pm

I'm not climate change sceptic, I have no doubt it's changing ... again
The polar caps have melted away before without our help, some scientists argue were actually seeing last of the most recent "little ice age" thaw out.

We're familiar with Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter but our memories and records don't stretch far enough to see glacial periods, climatic optimums and warm periods play out like our yearly cycle in slow motion.
We also like to ignore the sun cycles and its effects on climate.

Climate change is just another fear campaign keeping us compliant.
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Post by cz515 » 02 Sep 2022, 10:22 pm

Well i dunno if climate change is true or not.


But when the biggest investment firms in the world start saying they divesting from fossil fuels you start to think.

But then when even Vatican's start telling their people to do that, you start to worry
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vati ... SKBN23P1HI

And when they actually put a hard limit of 30th September, and Pope Francis instructs Vatican entities to move all funds to Vatican bank by Sept. 30.... you know the s**t is going to hit the fan very very soon
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Post by on_one_wheel » 02 Sep 2022, 10:49 pm

The Vatican is doing what any smart investor does, follow the money.

Personally, as much as I love internal combustion engines, I can't wait to see the Arabs pawning in their solid gold dunnies and go back to trading camels.
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Post by cz515 » 03 Sep 2022, 8:48 am

on_one_wheel wrote:The Vatican is doing what any smart investor does, follow the money.

Personally, as much as I love internal combustion engines, I can't wait to see the Arabs pawning in their solid gold dunnies and go back to trading camels.


Not going yo happen edp when saudi armco been eating hundreds of bookings in profit every month lately. Plus they got other minerals.
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Post by wanneroo » 03 Sep 2022, 11:41 am

For one thing I have spent a lot of time looking at the math surrounding this whole deal of "banning ICE cars by 2030 or 2035" and absolutely no one can prove the math for it works. Whether extracting the minerals involved, making the batteries, generating the electricity, building enough charging points that can handle the load, recycling the batteries safely, etc. no one has any plan or can show all that will be in place by 2030 or 2035. Not even close.

So really the only conclusion I can make is what they want(as we saw with coronavirus) is they want an end to the common man being able to freely move about when and where they want. In addition car manufacturers like it because they can sell highly inflated in price vehicles to fewer people, so they will get paid off enough by government for that.

Even some of the car manufacturers think this is all unworkable and retarded. Several of the Japanese manufacturers have set up "Team Japan" to look at alternate tech like hydrogen combustion and manufacturers like Porsche and Lamborghini are involved in synthetic fuel.

"Climate Change" panic porn is another fear and hysteria card hoisted and propagandized on the average man to buy into his own destruction by Malthusian evil minions. The climate has always changed and will always change and without the "change" we'd be a dead planet. Wind, rain, storms, snow, hurricanes, typhoons, flood, drought, etc is natures cleaning mechanism. Sometimes we get in the way which can be unfortunate, but it all keeps the earth in check and in balance. The earth has actually been warmer several times in the past several thousand years and guess what? Humans prospered during those periods.

All climate change is, is a fear porn scam by Malthusians to get you to surrender your power and freedom to them, so they can enjoy it while you suffer.

Don't believe that, well check out those "climate change" conferences with airports overloaded with private jets, 20 car motorcades and fine dining and hospitality.

Those people don't care about you, stop listening to them
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Post by Lazarus » 03 Sep 2022, 6:25 pm

Malthusian evil minions?
Fck me, I mean seriously, what the actual fck have you been smoking?

Malthus was right wanneroo.

On average, mankind has been using 1.7 years worth of resources each year for some time now

We either get our poop in a group or that poop is going to hit the fan, big time.

Mate, I know you guys in the states just love a paranoid conspiracy theory, Qanon, the big steal, climate change, anything that you don't like is some secret cabal plotting against the "little guy", but sometimes, we have to get above the pre-schooler level of "you can't take my toys" thinking and accept that sometimes unpleasant sh!t just happens without somebody plotting it.

As you have "spent a lot of time looking at the math" and proven to yourself that a move away from ICE is impossible, perhaps instead of just throwing that in unsupported, you could share it with us.

Malthusian evil minions :lol: :clap:
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Post by on_one_wheel » 03 Sep 2022, 6:37 pm

He's right though.

The resource burn to create lithium batteries is tremendous, the same can be said for copper.
The life of a lithium battery is also limited.

All the fuss around EV seems to assume they grow on trees, zero emissions my ass.
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Post by Lazarus » 03 Sep 2022, 7:00 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:He's right though.

The resource burn to create lithium batteries is tremendous, the same can be said for copper.
The life of a lithium battery is also limited.

All the fuss around EV seems to assume they grow on trees, zero emissions my ass.


So what's the alternative OOW?

Do we just stick our heads in the sand like children?
Do we listen to the lunatics and pretend it's all a plot by the "Malthusian evil minions"?
Fck that makes me laugh, funniest thing I've heard in ages :lol:

Mate, everything we do has emissions, everything we do has consequences, it's simply a matter of accepting that we've screwed the pooch and start dealing with it as best we can.

I smoked like a chimney for 35 years and this Thursday my GP informed me of the consequences of that.
I can piss and moan that the evil minions of big tobacco have conspired to kill me or I can be an adult and accept that I've dropped a pile of sh!t in my own nest.

We need to stop thinking of how we're losing our favourite toys or that things we don't like are happening and start thinking of what our children are going to have to deal with, man the fck up and start to act accordingly.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 03 Sep 2022, 7:42 pm

Lazarus wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:He's right though.

The resource burn to create lithium batteries is tremendous, the same can be said for copper.
The life of a lithium battery is also limited.

All the fuss around EV seems to assume they grow on trees, zero emissions my ass.


So what's the alternative OOW?

Do we just stick our heads in the sand like children?
Do we listen to the lunatics and pretend it's all a plot by the "Malthusian evil minions"?
Fck that makes me laugh, funniest thing I've heard in ages :lol:

Mate, everything we do has emissions, everything we do has consequences, it's simply a matter of accepting that we've screwed the pooch and start dealing with it as best we can.

I smoked like a chimney for 35 years and this Thursday my GP informed me of the consequences of that.
I can piss and moan that the evil minions of big tobacco have conspired to kill me or I can be an adult and accept that I've dropped a pile of sh!t in my own nest.

We need to stop thinking of how we're losing our favourite toys or that things we don't like are happening and start thinking of what our children are going to have to deal with, man the fck up and start to act accordingly.


The alternative that no government wants to talk about. Dropping the world's population to a sustainable level that is in harmony with what the plant can handle and provide for.

Instead their hell bent on population growth because they don't have the testicular fortitude to step away from tge Fiat dollar that only works with an ever increasing population.

The big problem we're facing, be it man made or not is we're moving into a climatic period that means we can no longer feed the world's population with our current farming methods and diets.
I believe that's why governments are s**ting their pants.

Sure we can try, mine the crap out of the place scraping together every known ounce of lithium and copper burning trillions of litres of diesel in the process, smash out millions of electric vehicles ... s**t I can't afford one, by the time they're on the second hand market they're like a hot potato changing hands because the battery is f***ed... well just mine some more because recycling little tightly rolled packages of copper, lithium, vanadium, cobalt, iron and plastic is cost prohibitive.

I think Governments need to wake up to the fact that pushing for an ever increasing population on a planet with finite resources is the most crazy plan ever conceived yet they're pushing ahead with it.

Working on creating a new financial system (or re introducing an old one) while creating incentives to depopulate is could be a more effective plan.
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Post by Lazarus » 03 Sep 2022, 7:52 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:The alternative that no government wants to talk about. Dropping the world's population to a sustainable level that is in harmony with what the plant can handle and provide for.


So how exactly do we drop the world's population to a sustainable level?

Who has to go and who does the choosing?
I'm guessing you don't expect to be a part of those who are culled.
Or are you planning on pulling the pin for the betterment of the "plant"(sic)

This is the same inane, eugenics nonsense that space cadets like Hitler, would espouse.
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Post by northdude » 03 Sep 2022, 8:09 pm

Have you not been paying attention for the last couple of years.....
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Post by Lazarus » 03 Sep 2022, 8:17 pm

northdude wrote:Have you not been paying attention for the last couple of years.....


You mean where the Malthusian evil minions, fck I love that :lol:, have conspired behind the bushes to trick us sheeple into thinking the bushfires floods, droughts, etc, etc, etc are actually real?

Not everyone is a paranoid loon mate.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 03 Sep 2022, 8:39 pm

northdude wrote:Have you not been paying attention for the last couple of years.....


Oww Engaging full conspiracy mode

We need zee new world order, they'll have nothing and be happy while they eat bugs and drop like flies of "zee virus"

The lizard people have a new problem,
Unfortunately the plan has backfired slightly, we're loosing productivity to "long covid" the people are milking the "virus", they could release a new fake jab for long covid but it'll cost too much and most people have realised that the jab doesn't actually do what it was advertised to do, we need some kind of free placebo, preferably a self administered every day household substance like a spoon full of sugar.... but nobody would believe that, we eat sugar all the time ... SALT a spoon of salt, nobody eats salt like that thathttps://www.ed.ac.uk/usher/news-eve ... 9-symptoms.
but hang on, wasn't salt increasing the chances of death from covid?
https://www.verywellhealth.com/sodium-l ... ns-5115005
Silly lizard people :lol:
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Post by northdude » 03 Sep 2022, 9:06 pm

Thats right having a population that the world cant sustain is a conspiricy theory. Whats this lizard people talk I thought it was et and his mates...
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Post by animalpest » 03 Sep 2022, 9:08 pm

Eventually with changing climate -floods, fires, drought etc - and massive changes in our ability to live comfortably, with increasing reliance on resources that become scarcer and more expensive, with overpopulation pushing communities to the brink, overpopulation will be solved by WWIII.
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Post by animalpest » 03 Sep 2022, 9:36 pm

Eventually with changing climate -floods, fires, drought etc - and massive changes in our ability to live comfortably, with increasing reliance on resources that become scarcer and more expensive, with overpopulation pushing communities to the brink, overpopulation will be solved by WWIII.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 03 Sep 2022, 9:40 pm

Preparation is pointless, we're going full Mad Max.
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Post by cz515 » 03 Sep 2022, 9:53 pm

There are plenty of options, for some there is lithium batteries, others have hydrogen and some will even goto synthetic fuels.

I suppose everyone forgot ethanol derived fuels
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Post by on_one_wheel » 03 Sep 2022, 9:58 pm

More ethanol fuel = less food

I'll need all I can get burning a minimum of 30L per 100 km at light cruising speeds.

On a serious note, ethanol might burn clean but it takes bucket loads of energy to distill.

To put the amount of plant matter required to make it into prospective, 40 kg of sugar will produce a whopping 20L of ethanol.

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Post by MtnMan » 04 Sep 2022, 8:05 am

I've been thinking about this lately. To me it's a matter of grade 2 maths, you can not have infinite growth on a finite planet.

Either-
1- We all better start living a primitive lifestyle that places sustainable demands on the planets resources. This option is not even remotely going to happen.
or
2- Super massive (as in black hole) population decline to the point where those that are left can live as we are now without the harmful effects on the planet or unsustainable demands on its resources.
This might be where the role of WWIII as suggested above might play out. Nothing like scarcity of essential resources to cause conflict.
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Post by northdude » 04 Sep 2022, 8:17 am

With any other animal on the planet Disease or famine keeps everything in check. If you got rid of the stupid humans altogether this would be a beautiful planet. We are the only species that destroys its own environment to the point of making it uninhabitable real smart all in the name of money
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Post by on_one_wheel » 04 Sep 2022, 10:49 am

I think the Amish have the most sensible approach to living on this planet.

It looks like a good balance between stone age living with zero impact and 2020's living where we chew every up and spit it out... the throw it away age?

If the planet is in so much trouble why is it still legal to make things non serviceable?
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Post by Lazarus » 04 Sep 2022, 12:44 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:I
If the planet is in so much trouble why is it still legal to make things non serviceable?


Excellent point.
Planned obsolescence is at the root of that problem, eh?

Printers are just one example, you can buy a photo capable printer for $35, yet replacement ink can be 3 times that.
They also have a counter in the power circuit so if you can get cheap ink, you only get a certain number of pages before the counter opens the circuit and your printer no longer works.
I can't find it but there's a docco called "The 1000 hour light bulb" where it's explained better.
The article below does explain how it started.

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