straightshooter wrote:So what then happens to the 'waste' byproduct of the production of plastics, chemicals and fertilisers?
Do we burn it?
womble wrote:I see them around, but I travel around country a lot, and a lot of that’s of the beaten track. And I get lost a lot.
Wind turbine farms, huge actually, biggest in the southern hemisphere. Pumped hydro reservoirs. Which I expect we’ll be seeing a lot more of because it’s a storage alternative to a battery.
Solar farms. How can you miss them. They’re freaking everywhere.
Not expecting new coal power stations in vic though tbh. Existing ones in vic will all be finished up in a few years. Winding them down now.
Don’t even know why I need to address that lol. That’s like we’re getting new steam trains.
I believe QLD has some in the pipeline. Whether or not they go ahead or currently are I don’t know.
These are the people who can’t even spell beer. So who knows.
Who’s building the new stuff. Big companies. Oceanx, Vestas, GE, Nordex. etc. They offer you a turnkey package for your country these days.
This is like having a discussion with someone who hasn’t seen beyond the four walls of the room they’re in for 20 years.
I suspect that’s why Geoff posted this thread is done as soon as climate deniers piped in.
It’s been nearly 10 years since exxonmoblil was subpoenaed under the freedom of information act, and these clowns are still noooo but this but this
f***ing ridiculous.
It’s really no different than what happened to big tobacco. Well except that it’s worse. But anyway. We’ll still be able to drive around our ice stick shifts for a long time yet. Probably just won’t be able to buy a brand new one in 10 years or so time. At least not from a major manufacturer.
wanneroo wrote:Speaking of EVs, has anyone seen the price of Lithium batteries these days?
I used to buy a pack of Energizer lithium AA batteries, about $20 for a box of 24. Then it creeped up to $30 or so. Last year went up to $40 and now at Amazon last I looked they were $66.
I use them in the trail cameras because the lithium last longer than alkaline, 6 months vs 3-4 months.
Where are they going to source all this lithium at for all these car batteries?
wanneroo wrote:womble wrote:I see them around, but I travel around country a lot, and a lot of that’s of the beaten track. And I get lost a lot.
Wind turbine farms, huge actually, biggest in the southern hemisphere. Pumped hydro reservoirs. Which I expect we’ll be seeing a lot more of because it’s a storage alternative to a battery.
Solar farms. How can you miss them. They’re freaking everywhere.
Not expecting new coal power stations in vic though tbh. Existing ones in vic will all be finished up in a few years. Winding them down now.
Don’t even know why I need to address that lol. That’s like we’re getting new steam trains.
I believe QLD has some in the pipeline. Whether or not they go ahead or currently are I don’t know.
These are the people who can’t even spell beer. So who knows.
Who’s building the new stuff. Big companies. Oceanx, Vestas, GE, Nordex. etc. They offer you a turnkey package for your country these days.
This is like having a discussion with someone who hasn’t seen beyond the four walls of the room they’re in for 20 years.
I suspect that’s why Geoff posted this thread is done as soon as climate deniers piped in.
It’s been nearly 10 years since exxonmoblil was subpoenaed under the freedom of information act, and these clowns are still noooo but this but this
f***ing ridiculous.
It’s really no different than what happened to big tobacco. Well except that it’s worse. But anyway. We’ll still be able to drive around our ice stick shifts for a long time yet. Probably just won’t be able to buy a brand new one in 10 years or so time. At least not from a major manufacturer.
The reason I posted the link to Guy Martin's doco is it shows directly what happens by the second with all this wind, tidal, hydro, solar, etc. It's not consistent to keep the power grid up and electricity flowing through the lines. People have to sit in a command center and manage it by the second and it's why you can't get rid of coal, biomass, natural gas, nuclear, etc. There is no consistency with all this other stuff that can keep the grid functioning.
The people pushing EVs can never give me a straight answer on how they are gonna make all this happen in the next 10 years. Any time you press them on how it's gonna happen they deflect with climate denier proclamations or punch out.
Lazarus wrote:"People have to sit in a command center and manage it by the second and it's why you can't get rid of coal, biomass, natural gas, nuclear, etc"
Because coal, biomass, natural gas, nuclear just
run themselves?
I did some work at Bayswater power station in the 90s and got a guided tour, part of which was the control room, plenty of people there 24/7.
These arguments are getting more ridiculous as this thread goes on.
Geoff was right
Lazarus wrote:
And what hasn't gone up in price?
noneyabussiness wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XT9_IYMq8DQ&feature=youtu.be
JohnV wrote:The great risk in all this is that trying to turn a big country like Australia into all electric vehicles will drive up the cost of living dramatically and create far more poverty while trashing the economy . People will have to go back to the horse and cart . As bladeracer says you won't be able to afford an electric car , maybe an electric bike with a basket . We already have supply chain problems now . Making drastic changes to distribution networks that might totally fail is so risky . I am with Oldbloke , it's never going to work here but they are psycho enough to try it .
Lazarus wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-05-03/catl-announces-battery-to-make-electric-aviation-possible/102289310
S O K A R wrote:Lazarus wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-05-03/catl-announces-battery-to-make-electric-aviation-possible/102289310
Would be lovely to be 30,000ft up when she decides she wants to go up, like the countless ev buses to date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4
Hell of a time to be alive
Robin wrote:I'll be honest , If they had a battery UTE that would go at least 600km on a charge, then I would think about it for work and general driving, I would still want to keep my Diesel muncher for when I go bush bashing or camping for long times.
Hopefully by 2032, there would have been enough R&D to make battery cars go further and have solar panels included in the car chassis to allow it to charge on the go.