Are we near the brink of WWIII?

[Oldbloke]

https://youtu.be/ZWkGmw3xMTU?si=nB7TJpyVj2B7USBw

Yes, I know, off topic.

[Oldbloke]

Seriously, who in Russia is going to publicly declare they were planning on voting for someone other than Putin, other than the ridiculously brave or the mentally challenged?

NATO marching towards Vladivostok?
Because Putin has forsworn his nukes?

Lol. Read my mind.

Are there any statistics, or lists of those that publicly disagreed with Putin and "accidently" died?

[straightshooter]

NATO marching towards Vladivostok?

Just trying to introduce a little pro Ukraine style hyperbole.

Just goes to show how people are "triggered" by somewhat flippant comments yet pay little regard to more significant ideas that have not been canvassed to death in the "look here, don't look there" general media.

[Lazarus]

NATO marching towards Vladivostok?

Just trying to introduce a little pro Ukraine style hyperbole.

Just goes to show how people are "triggered" by somewhat flippant comments yet pay little regard to more significant ideas that have not been canvassed to death in the "look here, don't look there" general media.

I was just matching your flippancy straightshooter.

To which significant ideas are we paying little regard?
Could you please elucidate?

[Lazarus]

Putin's next target

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1 ... ansnistria

[Lazarus]

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-decoy-s ... es-1881259

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... -from-ww3/

We are not on the brink, we have passed it, we are on the downhill run to sh!tsville

[Lazarus]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-21/ ... tent=other

[Oldbloke]

Production in arms is increasing.

https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/ ... 9-66264758

Western countries are worried.

[Lazarus]

""Marques concludes: “The so-called ‘peace dividend’ that came in the form of reduced defense spending at the end of the Cold War is over. If Europe wants the means to defend itself, especially if US isolationism grows, then the ‘just-in-time’ mentality of defense production must be changed.”""

Sometimes I really hate being right.

US isolationism was a factor in both ww1 and 2.
When the "world's policeman: has his head in his navel, the bad actors run wild.

History is "rhyming" yet again, and people are sleepwalking into it.

Again

[Lazarus]

Didn't take Putin long to attempt to blame Ukraine when one of Russia's many "chickens" come home to roost.

Commit war crimes around the world as a matter of business, someone's going to return the favour.

[alexjones]

Didn't take Putin long to attempt to blame Ukraine when one of Russia's many "chickens" come home to roost.

Commit war crimes around the world as a matter of business, someone's going to return the favour.

Ukraine's new defence minister is a muslim. I am no expert on propaganda however I would assume it is rather simple to connect a muslim defence minster and an ISIS terrorist attack to help ones own cause. Apparently America had been warning Russia of an imminent attack and the police took over an hour to respond. Incompetence? Using this as a tool to rally support? Who knows but it is interesting.


In regards to your "Commit war crimes around the world" comment. What country does not commit so called war crimes? Australia is no princess in that regard.

[Lazarus]

Didn't take Putin long to attempt to blame Ukraine when one of Russia's many "chickens" come home to roost.

Commit war crimes around the world as a matter of business, someone's going to return the favour.

Ukraine's new defence minister is a muslim. I am no expert on propaganda however I would assume it is rather simple to connect a muslim defence minster and an ISIS terrorist attack to help ones own cause. Apparently America had been warning Russia of an imminent attack and the police took over an hour to respond. Incompetence? Using this as a tool to rally support? Who knows but it is interesting.


In regards to your "Commit war crimes around the world" comment. What country does not commit so called war crimes? Australia is no princess in that regard.

Or to conflate one

[mchughcb]

All perps caught.


https://youtu.be/OVgDPmr-DJk?si=obw3a557Ovqrn5k_

[mchughcb]

Didn't take Putin long to attempt to blame Ukraine when one of Russia's many "chickens" come home to roost.

Commit war crimes around the world as a matter of business, someone's going to return the favour.

No he didn't he said the perps were escaping to Ukraine and perps were caught near border.
They will know all they can get from this already.

USA tells citizens to avoid punlic gatherings in Moscow a few weeks ago and Nuland warns of nasty surprises and then resigns.

Draw your own conclusions.

[straightshooter]

As they are interrogated over the coming days/weeks more will come out but it of course be just Russian propaganda as has already been stated by UK outlets on Radio National this morning.
It appears that they were to be each paid 500000 roubles (about 5500 USD) to do the event and don't appear to be your usual Islamic suicidal fanatics.
The event seems designed by whoever to goad Putin into doing some kind of hot-headed escalation in Ukraine to placate his public rather than the carefully calculated and considered course that has been followed so far.

[alexjones]

I love a good so called called conspiracy and this attack is very juicy.

The Queens Council barrister I used once taught me in regards to crime "cui bono". It is a latin word that means "who benefits". More often than not there is a high probability that those responsible for a certain event are the ones who have the most to gain from it.

[Lazarus]

I love a good so called called conspiracy and this attack is very juicy.

The Queens Council barrister I used once taught me in regards to crime "cui bono". It is a latin word that means "who benefits". More often than not there is a high probability that those responsible for a certain event are the ones who have the most to gain from it.

That's quite true, alexjones.

However, the Russians are almost as good at maskirovka, deception and misdirection, as the Chinese.

Putin has finally called his war, war.
They're planning another mobilisation, Russian governments have very scant regard for life and liberty, even of their own kind, they've been heavily conscripting from the Muslim regions and using them as de-mining drones, even conning people from places like Nepal into coming to Russia for "work" then putting them in mine "clearing" units.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-17/ ... /103580652

Russia was instrumental in changing the course of the war in Syria against IS, they've brutalised the Muslim Chechens for decades, then we have the Afghans with their Pashtun blood fued mentality, plenty of Muslims would love to do a Beirut unload into a crowd of Russians.

Cui bono indeed, alexjones, in relation to this attack.
Putin, I'd guess.
I'm mot suggesting, mchughcb, that it was of Russian origin, I am suggesting that it would be uncharacteristic of Putin to not try to pin it on the people he's been murdering for the last 10yrs.

[alexjones]

I love a good so called called conspiracy and this attack is very juicy.

The Queens Council barrister I used once taught me in regards to crime "cui bono". It is a latin word that means "who benefits". More often than not there is a high probability that those responsible for a certain event are the ones who have the most to gain from it.

That's quite true, alexjones.

However, the Russians are almost as good at maskirovka, deception and misdirection, as the Chinese.

Putin has finally called his war, war.
They're planning another mobilisation, Russian governments have very scant regard for life and liberty, even of their own kind, they've been heavily conscripting from the Muslim regions and using them as de-mining drones, even conning people from places like Nepal into coming to Russia for "work" then putting them in mine "clearing" units.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-17/ ... /103580652

Russia was instrumental in changing the course of the war in Syria against IS, they've brutalised the Muslim Chechens for decades, then we have the Afghans with their Pashtun blood fued mentality, plenty of Muslims would love to do a Beirut unload into a crowd of Russians.

Cui bono indeed, alexjones, in relation to this attack.
Putin, I'd guess.
I'm mot suggesting, mchughcb, that it was of Russian origin, I am suggesting that it would be uncharacteristic of Putin to not try to pin it on the people he's been murdering for the last 10yrs.

Yeah mate anything is possible as both sides do have something to gain. There is only 4 reasons I can think of. Perhaps you can think of something else?


1: It was just a normal(for lack of a better word) terrorist attack.
2: It was Russian planned for escalating things by bringing the war close to home.
3. It was Ukrainian planned so they could try to get Russia to escalate things in the hopes to get more western support.
4. It was American planned because the election is coming in November and a lot of neo cons want war.


1 is possible because attacks do happen and have happened in the past in Russia.

2 is very possible because Russia has not fully mobilised its main population from the hubs of Moscow and St Petersburg so this will anger a lot of Russians
.
3 I don't really see as likely because whilst Russia fully mobilsing may scare the west to some degree I don't see them sending in ground troops even though France beats its little chest about it. And material support is not coming in any quicker.

4 is very possible because we know that America has in the past used covert operations to try and assert its will around the world. So by Russia escalating things America can escalate things. And by warning Russia of an attack they look like the "good guys" but are really playing 4D chess.


I think the most likely is either Russia or America with a slight lean towards Russia. Maybe 60% Russia 40% America.

Also secret option number 5. Big business. A lot of companies make a lot of money during wartime. So it is advantageous to prolong the war or spread it elsewhere as long as possible

[alexjones]

A lot of people forget that the Rothschild's funded both the British and the French during the Napoleonic wars as well as starting the war of 1812. Big business makes a lot of money in times of war.

[alexjones]

So apparently Russian police, or military whatever they are have cut off the ear of one of the terrorists and forced him to eat it.

Australian police would give him 3 hot meals a day and a nice bed to sleep in.

Say what you will about Russia but they have their ways with dealing with criminals.


https://www.kyivpost.com/post/30006

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/18 ... ist-attack

[alexjones]

More food for thought here.

I don't understand why the terrorists were trying to escape into Ukraine when they were caught. You are talking about a well planned out attack yet they weren't smart enough to realise the border with Russia and Ukraine has a crap load of military checkpoints as there is a WAR GOING ON. Maybe they thought they could blend in with a military convoy? They must have Russian passports or ID. At least hide out in a safe house in Moscow or go a different direction would be my thought.

Makes me think they were told maybe they would be let through and they were perhaps double crossed? A true ISIS terrorist would want to sacrifice himself so they would not escape they would die fighting or suicide vest themselves. Why just give up after all that knowing you will be tortured and executed? Really makes me think this was not a traditional terrorist attack but a planned operation and these blokes on the ground are just pawns used to do the dirty work. But whom planned and funded all this is the question?

[mchughcb]

The kerch bridge was blown up by Ukraine and British spies putting a bomb on the lorry of a poor unsuspecting driver Mahir Yusubov. Was meant to be paid 21 tonnes of film for 48k roubles. Instead after 25 years in the job he lost his life.

The US warning its citizens 2 weeks xago t avoid large public gatherings in Moscow means they had Intel.

[Lazarus]

The kerch bridge was blown up by Ukraine and British spies putting a bomb on the lorry of a poor unsuspecting driver Mahir Yusubov. Was meant to be paid 21 tonnes of film for 48k roubles. Instead after 25 years in the job he lost his life.

The US warning its citizens 2 weeks xago t avoid large public gatherings in Moscow means they had Intel.

I saw a report this morning by a British intel specialist who suggested that Putin ignored the warning, no doubt thinking that it was the Yanks trying to stir the Russian pot.
The reasoning was that he thought that because it's exactly what he would do.

People who bullsh!t as a matter of course always expect others do so

[alexjones]

:x

The kerch bridge was blown up by Ukraine and British spies putting a bomb on the lorry of a poor unsuspecting driver Mahir Yusubov. Was meant to be paid 21 tonnes of film for 48k roubles. Instead after 25 years in the job he lost his life.

The US warning its citizens 2 weeks xago t avoid large public gatherings in Moscow means they had Intel.

I saw a report this morning by a British intel specialist who suggested that Putin ignored the warning, no doubt thinking that it was the Yanks trying to stir the Russian pot.
The reasoning was that he thought that because it's exactly what he would do.

People who bullsh!t as a matter of course always expect others do so

I am pretty sure it was old Joseph Goebbels who said "Accuse the other of that you are guilty.”

So when you are in deep it is hard to tell what is the reality.

[Lazarus]

:x

The kerch bridge was blown up by Ukraine and British spies putting a bomb on the lorry of a poor unsuspecting driver Mahir Yusubov. Was meant to be paid 21 tonnes of film for 48k roubles. Instead after 25 years in the job he lost his life.

The US warning its citizens 2 weeks xago t avoid large public gatherings in Moscow means they had Intel.

I saw a report this morning by a British intel specialist who suggested that Putin ignored the warning, no doubt thinking that it was the Yanks trying to stir the Russian pot.
The reasoning was that he thought that because it's exactly what he would do.

People who bullsh!t as a matter of course always expect others do so

I am pretty sure it was old Joseph Goebbels who said "Accuse the other of that you are guilty.”

So when you are in deep it is hard to tell what is the reality.

He was also a proponent of "The Big Lie"
Make it big, repeat it over and over until it becomes lore.

Politicians to this day, are still reading from his "book"

[Lazarus]

All 4 gunmen were Tajiks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-24/ ... tent=other

https://iwpr.net/global-voices/tajik-mi ... ssian-army

[alexjones]

All 4 gunmen were Tajiks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-24/ ... tent=other

https://iwpr.net/global-voices/tajik-mi ... ssian-army

The right to bear arms is a basic human right in my opinion. Everyone in that concert hall should if they so wished be armed to the teeth. But no. They had to die like dogs instead of being able to defend themselves.

[on_one_wheel]

When seconds count police are only minutes away.

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[Lazarus]

When seconds count police are only minutes away.

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[mickb]

A lot of people forget that the Rothschild's funded both the British and the French during the Napoleonic wars as well as starting the war of 1812. Big business makes a lot of money in times of war.

Pretty much. The US is the worlds largest current arms dealer, they outsell the next top 5 countries combined( Russia, UK, China, France etc).

Not that I am a russian sympathiser being when I joined the army they were still the enemy USSR but its sought of laughable the public outcry about the ukraine situation when the yanks are selling arms to 105 countries and half of them are human rights abusers. None of the continuious African wars or rebel fruitcakes would even start without western powers money, they wouldnt even be able to keep their jeeps fuelled for a whole day.

NATO has also scuttled more countries than any other group since the British empire. They call it a war against xyz but its just a bombing campaign to scare the bad guys into the hills, then we set up shop and move resources out of the place, and the bad guys never get killed because if you do you dont have a reason to be there anymore, The old style of winning was win fast, implant your culture and get them drinking tea and playing cricket. Now no one actually wants the country so you draw out the war for 5,10, 20 years like a long term cash cow.

Afghan, Iraq, now the ukraine, billionaires on both sides making major bank on this, and you and I paying $9.50 for a can of deodorant

I especially love the idea of the trade sanctions they put on Russia, Trade sanctions are meant to be weaponised finance, aka cripple the target country, make your position stronger. So far all these have done is screw western economy. Maybe someone needs to send these NATO bosses a fkn calculator and say take a look at the numbers, you hit the wrong side.