Ukraine war

[mickb]

I still cant believe they have gotten away with this so long. Im talking the media btw. About 10% of what i hear sounds believable. At least Afghanistan when i was there was about 30%

[mchughcb]

Yes it's bad.

https://youtu.be/V7lVZNOhKnc?si=l3QpCCo-7XdBnlwu

[alexjones]

Next week Trump wins. Time to end this bloodshed.

[mchughcb]

You mean actually pick up the phone? At least it's a start.

[Billo]

Next week Trump wins. Time to end this bloodshed.

I hope you bet big

[mchughcb]

Well Ukraine just said if they don't mobilise another 160k personnel by Christmas to hold the line they will capitulate.

Get ready

[Oldbloke]

Well Ukraine just said if they don't mobilise another 160k personnel by Christmas to hold the line they will capitulate.

Get ready

Bit vague, who?

[mchughcb]

Ukraine is planning to add another 160,000 troops to its military over the next three months as Kyiv's forces struggle to fend off Russian advances, officials in Kyiv said Tuesday.

"There are plans to call up more than 160,000 people," the Secretary of Ukraine's National Security Council Oleksandr Lytvynenko told parliament. A security source separately told AFP the recruitment would take place over a three-month period.

They're winning.

[Larry]

We always knew it would be a war of attrition esp after the first year. The fact Russia is using its little buddy to prop up resources in people. The one thing you would have though they had in endless supply esp compared to Ukraine. That would suggest that they have not been winning really no one is winning they are just hitting each other like stand up boxers.

[mchughcb]

We always knew it would be a war of attrition esp after the first year. The fact Russia is using its little buddy to prop up resources in people. The one thing you would have though they had in endless supply esp compared to Ukraine. That would suggest that they have not been winning really no one is winning they are just hitting each other like stand up boxers.

Erh no. 10k NK is making SFA difference on 500k+ Russian troops. They are getting some experience and will have zero impact on the outcome.

[alexjones]

Tomorrow, the end of the war will be near!

[straightshooter]

When Russia's initial show of force failed to cower Ukraine into some form of submission, Russia systematically embarked on a gradual war of attrition but with purportedly limited objectives.
This strategy allowed Russia to train many more men and build up necessary industries. Meanwhile no NATO country has been willing to stick it's neck out and become a co-belligerent thereby abandoning article 5 protection. Amazingly very few countries have boosted munition production to any sort of scale that might come near to meeting wartime needs.
What does that tell you? Essentially the US, the UK and all their vassal states have no stomach for a real war no matter how bellicose their rhetoric may be.
Do you think that might not have been observed by Russia?
Having now expended so much blood and treasure I think the Russians would have to have $#!T for brains to enter into any peace deal which would simply turn out be a hiatus in hostilities, much like a reprise of the Minsk agreements. I suspect the aim of Russia is to keep chipping away until they are in a position to demand and get an unconditional surrender from Ukraine.

[Oldbloke]

When Russia's initial show of force failed to cower Ukraine into some form of submission, Russia systematically embarked on a gradual war of attrition but with purportedly limited objectives.
This strategy allowed Russia to train many more men and build up necessary industries. Meanwhile no NATO country has been willing to stick it's neck out and become a co-belligerent thereby abandoning article 5 protection. Amazingly very few countries have boosted munition production to any sort of scale that might come near to meeting wartime needs.
What does that tell you? Essentially the US, the UK and all their vassal states have no stomach for a real war no matter how bellicose their rhetoric may be.
Do you think that might not have been observed by Russia?
Having now expended so much blood and treasure I think the Russians would have to have $#!T for brains to enter into any peace deal which would simply turn out be a hiatus in hostilities, much like a reprise of the Minsk agreements. I suspect the aim of Russia is to keep chipping away until they are in a position to demand and get an unconditional surrender from Ukraine.

Mate, Ukraine is not and has never been a member of NATO. So, there is no such obligation.

[mchughcb]

Tomorrow, the end of the war will be near!

I hope so but i'm not so confident.

[mchughcb]

When Russia's initial show of force failed to cower Ukraine into some form of submission, Russia systematically embarked on a gradual war of attrition but with purportedly limited objectives.
This strategy allowed Russia to train many more men and build up necessary industries. Meanwhile no NATO country has been willing to stick it's neck out and become a co-belligerent thereby abandoning article 5 protection. Amazingly very few countries have boosted munition production to any sort of scale that might come near to meeting wartime needs.
What does that tell you? Essentially the US, the UK and all their vassal states have no stomach for a real war no matter how bellicose their rhetoric may be.
Do you think that might not have been observed by Russia?
Having now expended so much blood and treasure I think the Russians would have to have $#!T for brains to enter into any peace deal which would simply turn out be a hiatus in hostilities, much like a reprise of the Minsk agreements. I suspect the aim of Russia is to keep chipping away until they are in a position to demand and get an unconditional surrender from Ukraine.

I suspect you are right.
Putin just outlasted another US President. And will probably outlast the next one. These guys don't flip flop and when they say something they mean it.
And have the demonstration of force to back it up.

Remember all the jokes in the Press and this forum at the start of the conflict where the Russians are stupid and getting their butts kicked. They are certainly fast learners and we also start to see their technology both high and low tech being used.

When the conflict is over we'll unfortunately find out how many actually died in Ukraine for something that could have been resolved with a pen in Turkey.

[Oldbloke]

"When the conflict is over we'll unfortunately find out how many actually died in Ukraine for something that could have been resolved with a pen in Turkey."

OR:

by Putin simply accepting that Ukraine is a country in its own right.

But instead, Putin wants to wind the clock back about 25 years. In the process murdering perhaps 1 ml innocents. Why, GREED.

IMHO, needs a good dose of lead.

[mchughcb]

Or Ukraine was just a vassal of the USA where a corrupt president and his family have been involved for years in gas and other nefarious activities including getting a chief prosecutor fired for looking at his sons corrupt business then bragging about it on TV.

[mchughcb]

"When the conflict is over we'll unfortunately find out how many actually died in Ukraine for something that could have been resolved with a pen in Turkey."

OR:

by Putin simply accepting that Ukraine is a country in its own right.

But instead, Putin wants to wind the clock back about 25 years. In the process murdering perhaps 1 ml innocents. Why, GREED.

IMHO, needs a good dose of lead.

Putin bad. Zelensky good. Mmmkay.

Russia losing. Ukraine winning. Mmmkay.

Joe Biden as long as it takes.
Joe Biden as long as we can.
There there Joe, time for your afternoon nap.

[Wapiti]

Looking around at private news reports, that is, not any BS stuff from the mainstream media who are fed sh*t by the war industrial complex, Ukraine is being flogged and is almost on the edge.
Sure the Russians are losing massive amounts of men and equipment, that's to be expected without the use of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, but Ukraine is gone. No matter who wins the US election.

[mchughcb]

Looking around at private news reports, that is, not any BS stuff from the mainstream media who are fed sh*t by the war industrial complex, Ukraine is being flogged and is almost on the edge.
Sure the Russians are losing massive amounts of men and equipment, that's to be expected without the use of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, but Ukraine is gone. No matter who wins the US election.

Yep. Once a critical point is reached and I believe it maybe this winter with no power and no air defence that will be it. Unconditional surrender or a coupe deta.

[Billo]

Looking around at private news reports, that is, not any BS stuff from the mainstream media who are fed sh*t by the war industrial complex, Ukraine is being flogged and is almost on the edge.
Sure the Russians are losing massive amounts of men and equipment, that's to be expected without the use of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, but Ukraine is gone. No matter who wins the US election.

Yep. Once a critical point is reached and I believe it maybe this winter with no power and no air defence that will be it. Unconditional surrender or a coupe deta.

The critical point for Putin would seem to be the Election today. 8 more years of Democrat control guarantees the new President will outlast Vlad.

bringing Nth Korean troops onboard is a sign of desperation

[alexjones]

Looking around at private news reports, that is, not any BS stuff from the mainstream media who are fed sh*t by the war industrial complex, Ukraine is being flogged and is almost on the edge.
Sure the Russians are losing massive amounts of men and equipment, that's to be expected without the use of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, but Ukraine is gone. No matter who wins the US election.

Yep. Once a critical point is reached and I believe it maybe this winter with no power and no air defence that will be it. Unconditional surrender or a coupe deta.

The critical point for Putin would seem to be the Election today. 8 more years of Democrat control guarantees the new President will outlast Vlad.

bringing Nth Korean troops onboard is a sign of desperation

So Putin using North Korean troops shows he is desperate but Ukraine using everything donated from the west shows they are winning?

How does ones mind come to that logical conclusion?

Does it not make sense that Russians nor the North Korean government care about the lives of the North Korean soldiers? So it is in essence cheap manpower that will ask no questions if they die.

[alexjones]

I will never understand the crazy one sided logic. Whatever Putin does is desperation but Ukraine does the same thing and it shows they are winning.

[straightshooter]

They are being referred to as "stealth" troops as they seem to have the uncanny ability of avoiding being photographed.

[Larry]

Its only reports but there have been claims of several NK killed and one that has surrendered. So pics should be forth coming if that is the case

[mchughcb]

I will never understand the crazy one sided logic. Whatever Putin does is desperation but Ukraine does the same thing and it shows they are winning.

Welcome to the logic mechanics of some people posting here. If you point out what is happening on the ground you are a Russian bot. If you continually post some Ukraine headline out of the Sun then you are a supporter of democracy.

Well Russ8an bot it is.

[Bugman]

I will never understand the crazy one sided logic. Whatever Putin does is desperation but Ukraine does the same thing and it shows they are winning.

Welcome to the logic mechanics of some people posting here. If you point out what is happening on the ground you are a Russian bot. If you continually post some Ukraine headline out of the Sun then you are a supporter of democracy.

Well Russ8an bot it is.

You would have to be the head. "logic mechanic" Isn't that right? You apparently have all the "facts" (not) and if those people on this forum don't agree with you, well I guess your dodgy logic comes into play.

[Oldbloke]

Why is it some are convinced MS media gets it wrong all the time? And is bias.

But someone else on youtube, who reports to nobody, not even a boss, not a member of an association with even a code of practice always gets it right? Nobody pulls up these jokers when they BS. Where is the accountability?

[Billo]

Well Chuck if Trump hangs onto his Election lead, we are about to find out if Trump can shut down this invasion down in 1 day......

[alexjones]

Trump is winning. Also the senate and the house looks republican also.

Add in the already republican supreme court and lets see the leftist cry haha