WELCOME TO COUNTRY

[Robin]

Before I start , Aboriginals do need recognition and we do need to acknowledge what our country has done to them in the past, it wasn't just the Brits that did the damage, it was also our Government and many citizens that continued the damage, there is alot of repairs to do.

Welcome to country is so over used and abused, I don't think it should have been used at Anzac Day, however its also disrespectful to have a protest about it on what I call one of Australia's most significance days of the year, the protest should have been done on a different day, but not on Anzac Day and not during the ceremony.

If our Government was serious about recognising Aboriginals and there history, then rather have a speech that has been played so many times that it gets ignored, have a display set up in every international airport in Australia, so when people visit Australia, they see it, have a Aboriginal day to encourage future generations to know about Aboriginal history.

The $450M spent for the voice vote, could have built a permanent display for the Aborigionals in every capital city.

I'm not saying give them everything, but at least give them the credit they deserve.

[bigrich]

Well said robin

[alexjones]

I don't see why aboriginals should be recognised anymore than any other ethnic group. They are equally Australian like any other ethnic group so F any special treatment they think they are entitled too.

Being here before the British does not make them different or more entitled to resources than anyone else. Nobody is more special.

That may seem harsh to some but that is the reality.

[bigrich]

I don't see why aboriginals should be recognised anymore than any other ethnic group. They are equally Australian like any other ethnic group so F any special treatment they think they are entitled too.

Being here before the British does not make them different or more entitled to resources than anyone else. Nobody is more special.

That may seem harsh to some but that is the reality.

i don't think you have a firm grasp of history mate . they were entitled to protection and rights under british law . they supposed to be compensated and treatied with for their land . they weren't , terra nullius was invoked , land was taken people shot , and it was covered up from the crown .
native americans got better treatment by britain than colonial americans , and the maroi were eventually treatied with and their culture respected . aborigines got very little , if any at all , of fair treatment under british law . christ , they weren't even allowed to vote till 1962 . i suggest you do a little more digging into history and try to have a little empathy

[Robin]

I don't see why aboriginals should be recognised anymore than any other ethnic group. They are equally Australian like any other ethnic group so F any special treatment they think they are entitled too.

Being here before the British does not make them different or more entitled to resources than anyone else. Nobody is more special.

That may seem harsh to some but that is the reality.

i don't think you have a firm grasp of history mate . they were entitled to protection and rights under british law . they supposed to be compensated and treatied with for their land . they weren't , terra nullius was invoked , land was taken people shot , and it was covered up from the crown .
native americans got better treatment by britain than colonial americans , and the maroi were eventually treatied with and their culture respected . aborigines got very little , if any at all , of fair treatment under british law . christ , they weren't even allowed to vote till 1962 . i suggest you do a little more digging into history and try to have a little empathy

alexjones I'm not sure if you understand history or not, do some research, unless you already don't like Aboriginals and already have a view set and everything about Aboriginals will be in a negative light.

Other ethnic groups had a choice whether they come here or not, however the Aboriginals didn't , they were already here and alot longer then the rest of us, don't forget about the time when our Government was unjustified in taking kids from them and adopting them out to white people, don't forget the early rules when we first came here, "if one of them kills one of us, then we will hang 10 of there" , 1962 was when they were allowed to vote, Don't forget in 1946, Aboriginal children were allowed to attend public schools in Australia, but only if they had a medical certificate and the parents of white children agreed.

This is just a few things I have dug up and I could dig up alot more if you want, imagine someone walking into your house and treating you like crap and not a equal just because you looked different.

What has happened is not my fault and probley not yours, however as a country, we should try to right the wrongs and Aboriginals history is part of the Australian history and there story should be told.

[Wapiti]

When they start acting like civilised people, whilst enjoying all the fruits of this civilised society like taxpayer funded grog, Maccas, free housing, health care, fuel and vehicles, then they might get some respect.

[Oldbloke]

The bottom line is both Robin and Wapiti are right

[bigrich]

When they start acting like civilised people, whilst enjoying all the fruits of this civilised society like taxpayer funded grog, Maccas, free housing, health care, fuel and vehicles, then they might get some respect.

fair point , i've come across some ratbags, and been told about the amount of money poured into benefits for some who are ungrateful . but i've also had some friends of mixed heritage who've been decent hard working aussies. it's easy to paint with a broad brush , but were're all individuals .. look at aboriginal politicians , you've got lydia thorpe who's a attention seeking left wing militant lunatic. then you've got jacinta price who's conservative and seems to have a lot more common sense and reason . i vote one nation cause i believe that's what we should be , but acknowledgement of aboriginal culture and inclusiveness of it without going over the top seems like a hard thing to balance
JMHO

[Wapiti]

Mate, you make the misjudgment of setting up and operating a business in Aboriginal and community health services, and you soon see the real worth of certain groups in this great country and see how political opinion is driven by those who never left their river-side cafe life.

When you see so many people knocked down by life, and never ever give up getting back up and have a second go at life after terrible health misfortune,
then immediately after seeing another group blame everyone else after being actually given MORE chances, everything handed to them, and it's someone else's fault for their own poor life choices, you can easily realise you're being fed lies and a guilt agenda.

[alexjones]

^^ I am aware of the history in regards to the aboriginals I just don't see how it makes them entitled to any more resources than any other Australian.

Land owners have constantly changed throughout history when strong tribes subjugate weaker tribes. Is that fair? Probably not but that is the reality.

What about the Anglo Saxons? Should Germany pay whatever Celtics are left in England for wiping them out and taking over their land?

How far back should people who were their first be entitled to more resources?

Reparation's are a terrible idea in every scenario as it create disunity. Unity is needed. That's means treat everyone the same.

[bigrich]

Mate, you make the misjudgment of setting up and operating a business in Aboriginal and community health services, and you soon see the real worth of certain groups in this great country and see how political opinion is driven by those who never left their river-side cafe life.

When you see so many people knocked down by life, and never ever give up getting back up and have a second go at life after terrible health misfortune,
then immediately after seeing another group blame everyone else after being actually given MORE chances, everything handed to them, and it's someone else's fault for their own poor life choices, you can easily realise you're being fed lies and a guilt agenda.

Yeah, I’ve come across plenty like you describe, but I won’t tar them all with the same brush

[bigrich]

^^ I am aware of the history in regards to the aboriginals I just don't see how it makes them entitled to any more resources than any other Australian.

Land owners have constantly changed throughout history when strong tribes subjugate weaker tribes. Is that fair? Probably not but that is the reality.

What about the Anglo Saxons? Should Germany pay whatever Celtics are left in England for wiping them out and taking over their land?

How far back should people who were their first be entitled to more resources?

Reparation's are a terrible idea in every scenario as it create disunity. Unity is needed. That's means treat everyone the same.

i'm not quite sure how the topic jumped to reparations , i don't think i mentioned it . under british law the crown was supposed to compensate the owners for their land . that was a long time ago . whether or not reparations are due now is another discussion . i'm well aware of history , i'm of irish/scottish decent but don't hold any ill feeling towards the english , except they drink warm beer
just for the record Germany and Japan had to pay reparations to up to 18 different countries including oz for WW2. my only real point i've tried to make in my last couple of posts is aboriginies got a really raw deal when they were supposed to have rights under british law .

back on topic, welcome to country is overdone and lost it's significance . originaly i didn't think welcome to country belonged at anzac services, but after considering quite a few served this country , now i'm not so sure .

people protesting at the dawn service is still extremely disrespectful in my book. the actions of selfish entitled clowns

[rossfrb]

I don't see why aboriginals should be recognised anymore than any other ethnic group. They are equally Australian like any other ethnic group so F any special treatment they think they are entitled too.

Being here before the British does not make them different or more entitled to resources than anyone else. Nobody is more special.

That may seem harsh to some but that is the reality.

i don't think you have a firm grasp of history mate . they were entitled to protection and rights under british law . they supposed to be compensated and treatied with for their land . they weren't , terra nullius was invoked , land was taken people shot , and it was covered up from the crown .
native americans got better treatment by britain than colonial americans , and the maroi were eventually treatied with and their culture respected . aborigines got very little , if any at all , of fair treatment under british law . christ , they weren't even allowed to vote till 1962 . i suggest you do a little more digging into history and try to have a little empathy

alexjones I'm not sure if you understand history or not, do some research, unless you already don't like Aboriginals and already have a view set and everything about Aboriginals will be in a negative light.

Other ethnic groups had a choice whether they come here or not, however the Aboriginals didn't , they were already here and alot longer then the rest of us, don't forget about the time when our Government was unjustified in taking kids from them and adopting them out to white people, don't forget the early rules when we first came here, "if one of them kills one of us, then we will hang 10 of there" , 1962 was when they were allowed to vote, Don't forget in 1946, Aboriginal children were allowed to attend public schools in Australia, but only if they had a medical certificate and the parents of white children agreed.

This is just a few things I have dug up and I could dig up alot more if you want, imagine someone walking into your house and treating you like crap and not a equal just because you looked different.

What has happened is not my fault and probley not yours, however as a country, we should try to right the wrongs and Aboriginals history is part of the Australian history and there story should be told.

OK I hope I do justice with my response.
First off, regarding ethnic groups and whether they came here by choice. The first generation of any race that moves to a new country does so by choice. With subsequent generations that choice is no longer there in the first instance. My forebears arrived in this country in the 1860s. Their children and their children's children grew up in what was essentially Australia before Federation in 1901. Those first and second generations didn't have a great deal of choice where they were born. They were born in Australia and likely considered themselves Australian. Are they any different from the first and second and subsequent generations of indigenous peoples in being Australian?

Second point, the "unjustified" taking of children and adopting them out to white people as you say.
I recommend anyone with an interest in this area view and digest and research the content of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZbotgm ... ersonMedia.

Additionally the pseudo British christian ideology permeating "Australian" culture in the early to mid 20th century was applied to women who were unfortunate enough to become pregnant out of wedlock. "Out of wedlock" is an english language term that has absolutely no racial connotation whatsoever.
I have no idea whether indigenous children were ever separated from their parents for that reason. It was for whites.
https://aifs.gov.au/research/family-mat ... -practices
My point being that the "taking" of children and rehoming was not exclusively inflicted upon indigenous peoples.
If you view the first link it is suggested that the taking of indigenous children may have been done in some cases for welfare reasons up to and including the prevention of infanticide and that some indigenous parents or grandparents actively participated.

I am all for truth telling in all it's ugly detail. I am sure that injustices were perpetrated on indigenous peoples throughout the white colonisation of Australia due to racism. I do not believe that racism was the sole motivating force throughout however.
I do object to mythmaking. If you want the truth told, tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

If you have any references to support your statement "if one of them kills one of us, then we will hang 10 of there" (presume you mean "them") I would like you to present that. A quick google search found nothing in reference to indigenous Australians.
Regards

Other references that may be of interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQUkVcN ... ersonMedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzB2phj ... ersonMedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM5s4Gj ... ersonMedia

[fnq22]

Political correctness has just gone nuts....you just cant do anything anymore without offending lefties..

Apparently now its even disrespectful and racist to Aboriginals to plunder your boyfriends ass with a digeridoo...!..

Welcome to Country indeed..!..

[alexjones]

Anyone fly Qantas? Every time you land they announce on the plane say "we pay respects to elders past present and emerging".

Its like they are making aboriginals some kind of god class that are above every other subgroup of people.

Treating people differently is what makes most people grow resentment and start to hate them. Treat people equally is the only way to respect them.

[alexjones]

The current president of the USA was the peoples middle finger to the woke establishment because they have had enough of the crazy political nonsense.

It will eventually happen here too.

[bigrich]

Political correctness has just gone nuts....you just cant do anything anymore without offending lefties..

Apparently now its even disrespectful and racist to Aboriginals to plunder your boyfriends ass with a digeridoo...!..

Welcome to Country indeed..!..

good lord i wouldn't consider it racist , just perverted

[bigrich]

Anyone fly Qantas? Every time you land they announce on the plane say "we pay respects to elders past present and emerging".

Its like they are making aboriginals some kind of god class that are above every other subgroup of people.

Treating people differently is what makes most people grow resentment and start to hate them. Treat people equally is the only way to respect them.

i agree with that

[bigrich]

The current president of the USA was the peoples middle finger to the woke establishment because they have had enough of the crazy political nonsense.

It will eventually happen here too.

it's already happening . i was wondering also how long it would take trump to be dropped into the discussion

[alexjones]

The current president of the USA was the peoples middle finger to the woke establishment because they have had enough of the crazy political nonsense.

It will eventually happen here too.

it's already happening . i was wondering also how long it would take trump to be dropped into the discussion

He is the political middle finger to the woke nonsense embodied in human form.

The fact he had to make it official American government policy that there is only men and women shows you how crazy stuff is.

[bigrich]

The current president of the USA was the peoples middle finger to the woke establishment because they have had enough of the crazy political nonsense.

It will eventually happen here too.

it's already happening . i was wondering also how long it would take trump to be dropped into the discussion

He is the political middle finger to the woke nonsense embodied in human form.

The fact he had to make it official American government policy that there is only men and women shows you how crazy stuff is.

Oh yeah, this modern world is nuts alright, and getting nuttier with every year. Australia’s changed a lot since I was a kid in the 70’s and 80’s and not for the better in some regards

[Wapiti]

I hope you lot realise that it was also c9mmon practice to take the children of white, unmarried mothers and adopt them out without their mothers consent in the 50's through to the early 70's, just the same as children being abused and raped in aboriginal communities were.

Nowadays, the reasons this happened are swept under the carpet and all that is ever spoken of is the fact kids were taken. But only the aboriginals get any sympathy, even though it was for their own benefit in so many instances. Who of you constantly hear of the poor little boys and girls in NT aboriginal communities being torn open when raped by their drugged and drunken fathers, uncles and mates? Right now? If you ever worked in an NT or WA ED Department, you'll know exactly what is happening.
You'll also know that it's not to be spoken of, because it flies in the face of the "white man must pay" guilt agenda.
Our first hand experience with actual Elders is that they are awfully concerned what is going on, but honestly, I reckon it's 5% of the total. The politicians lose careers when trying to expose it.

[Oldbloke]

The current president of the USA was the peoples middle finger to the woke establishment because they have had enough of the crazy political nonsense.

It will eventually happen here too.

it's already happening . i was wondering also how long it would take trump to be dropped into the discussion

He is the political middle finger to the woke nonsense embodied in human form.

The fact he had to make it official American government policy that there is only men and women shows you how crazy stuff is.

This is a good thing

[Oldbloke]

I hope you lot realise that it was also common practice to take the children of white, unmarried mothers and adopt them out without their mothers consent in the 50's through to the early 70's, just the same as children being abused and raped in aboriginal communities were.

Nowadays, the reasons this happened are swept under the carpet and all that is ever spoken of is the fact kids were taken. But only the aboriginals get any sympathy, even though it was for their own benefit in so many instances. Who of you constantly hear of the poor little boys and girls in NT aboriginal communities being torn open when raped by their drugged and drunken fathers, uncles and mates? Right now? If you ever worked in an NT or WA ED Department, you'll know exactly what is happening.
You'll also know that it's not to be spoken of, because it flies in the face of the "white man must pay" guilt agenda.
Our first hand experience with actual Elders is that they are awfully concerned what is going on, but honestly, I reckon it's 5% of the total. The politicians lose careers when trying to expose it.

100% correct.

[bigrich]

I hope you lot realise that it was also c9mmon practice to take the children of white, unmarried mothers and adopt them out without their mothers consent in the 50's through to the early 70's, just the same as children being abused and raped in aboriginal communities were.

Nowadays, the reasons this happened are swept under the carpet and all that is ever spoken of is the fact kids were taken. But only the aboriginals get any sympathy, even though it was for their own benefit in so many instances. Who of you constantly hear of the poor little boys and girls in NT aboriginal communities being torn open when raped by their drugged and drunken fathers, uncles and mates? Right now? If you ever worked in an NT or WA ED Department, you'll know exactly what is happening.
You'll also know that it's not to be spoken of, because it flies in the face of the "white man must pay" guilt agenda.
Our first hand experience with actual Elders is that they are awfully concerned what is going on, but honestly, I reckon it's 5% of the total. The politicians lose careers when trying to expose it.

none of this is known in modern australia . it should be . my mother told me as a small child that children were taken from unmarried mothers not too many years before i was born .once upon a time jounalist's would be all over a story like you describe in the community's , but the media in this country seems to be working for the government and suppressing a lot of truths . i can say for a fact there's a lot of stuff going on in melbourne with african gangs that doesn't get reported . i have relatives that live there that tell me stuff . cops do their job, judges aren't doing their's . trump style deportations for trouble makers should be a penalty with a three strikes your out rule . JMHO

[Oldbloke]

I hope you lot realise that it was also c9mmon practice to take the children of white, unmarried mothers and adopt them out without their mothers consent in the 50's through to the early 70's, just the same as children being abused and raped in aboriginal communities were.

Nowadays, the reasons this happened are swept under the carpet and all that is ever spoken of is the fact kids were taken. But only the aboriginals get any sympathy, even though it was for their own benefit in so many instances. Who of you constantly hear of the poor little boys and girls in NT aboriginal communities being torn open when raped by their drugged and drunken fathers, uncles and mates? Right now? If you ever worked in an NT or WA ED Department, you'll know exactly what is happening.
You'll also know that it's not to be spoken of, because it flies in the face of the "white man must pay" guilt agenda.
Our first hand experience with actual Elders is that they are awfully concerned what is going on, but honestly, I reckon it's 5% of the total. The politicians lose careers when trying to expose it.

none of this is known in modern australia . it should be . my mother told me as a small child that children were taken from unmarried mothers not too many years before i was born .once upon a time jounalist's would be all over a story like you describe in the community's , but the media in this country seems to be working for the government and suppressing a lot of truths . i can say for a fact there's a lot of stuff going on in melbourne with african gangs that doesn't get reported . i have relatives that live there that tell me stuff . cops do their job, judges aren't doing their's . trump style deportations for trouble makers should be a penalty with a three strikes your out rule . JMHO

Yep

[alexjones]

I hate government telling people what to do but I like societal norms making people feel shame.

Shaming having babies out of wedlock is a good thing. These days being a single mother is a feminist ideal.

When we grew up people had a greater sense of shame and a greater moral compass which led to a greater sense of community.

Bring back shame and school bullying. When I went to school if a boy said he wanted to be a girl the other kids would of gave him a taste of reality.

[bigrich]

I hate government telling people what to do but I like societal norms making people feel shame.

Shaming having babies out of wedlock is a good thing. These days being a single mother is a feminist ideal.

When we grew up people had a greater sense of shame and a greater moral compass which led to a greater sense of community.

Bring back shame and school bullying. When I went to school if a boy said he wanted to be a girl the other kids would of gave him a taste of reality.

well , your definately strongly opinionated . my mother got divorced from a abusive husband in about 1973 . and the social bigotry she was treated with i've never forgotten. it's easy to paint with a broad brush mate , try a bit of empathy instead .

your right about moral compasses lacking in our modern society , people on the internet being judgemental and aggressively opinionated is one of the things lacking in morales. respect for others is definately lacking too . maybe someone should bully you so you know what that's like .it's really hard on a young kid

i can agree with you on a lot of things mate , but i think your lacking in life experience at times. i'm not trying to be insulting , but i've seen some hard things in life when i was young, and that has given me humanity , empathy and a bit of wisdom now i'm older . try to not be so harsh .

JMHO

and all this has strayed waaaaay off topic

[alexjones]

I hate government telling people what to do but I like societal norms making people feel shame.

Shaming having babies out of wedlock is a good thing. These days being a single mother is a feminist ideal.

When we grew up people had a greater sense of shame and a greater moral compass which led to a greater sense of community.

Bring back shame and school bullying. When I went to school if a boy said he wanted to be a girl the other kids would of gave him a taste of reality.

well , your definately strongly opinionated . my mother got divorced from a abusive husband in about 1973 . and the social bigotry she was treated with i've never forgotten. it's easy to paint with a broad brush mate , try a bit of empathy instead .

your right about moral compasses lacking in our modern society , people on the internet being judgemental and aggressively opinionated is one of the things lacking in morales. respect for others is definately lacking too . maybe someone should bully you so you know what that's like .it's really hard on a young kid

i can agree with you on a lot of things mate , but i think your lacking in life experience at times. i'm not trying to be insulting , but i've seen some hard things in life when i was young, and that has given me humanity , empathy and a bit of wisdom now i'm older . try to not be so harsh .

JMHO

and all this has strayed waaaaay off topic

A lot of my posts are in reference to absolutes. Of course there is always nuances involved in all subjects.

Single mother households are not good and should not be encouraged. All data metrics tell us this. However abusive husbands are not good either so of course that is the nuance.

Again with school yard bullying. All these weirdos who think they are the opposite gender etc need a dose of bullying from their peers instead of their peers reinforcing their delusions.

[Oldbloke]

I hate government telling people what to do but I like societal norms making people feel shame.

Shaming having babies out of wedlock is a good thing. These days being a single mother is a feminist ideal.

When we grew up people had a greater sense of shame and a greater moral compass which led to a greater sense of community.

Bring back shame and school bullying. When I went to school if a boy said he wanted to be a girl the other kids would of gave him a taste of reality.

well , your definately strongly opinionated . my mother got divorced from a abusive husband in about 1973 . and the social bigotry she was treated with i've never forgotten. it's easy to paint with a broad brush mate , try a bit of empathy instead .

your right about moral compasses lacking in our modern society , people on the internet being judgemental and aggressively opinionated is one of the things lacking in morales. respect for others is definately lacking too . maybe someone should bully you so you know what that's like .it's really hard on a young kid

i can agree with you on a lot of things mate , but i think your lacking in life experience at times. i'm not trying to be insulting , but i've seen some hard things in life when i was young, and that has given me humanity , empathy and a bit of wisdom now i'm older . try to not be so harsh .

JMHO

and all this has strayed waaaaay off topic

A lot of my posts are in reference to absolutes. Of course there is always nuances involved in all subjects.

Single mother households are not good and should not be encouraged. All data metrics tell us this. However abusive husbands are not good either so of course that is the nuance.

Again with school yard bullying. All these weirdos who think they are the opposite gender etc need a dose of bullying from their peers instead of their peers reinforcing their delusions.

Sorry mate, bullying Is not the answer