anzac day

[bigrich]

the time of year when we remember the sacrifices and hardships of those in the distant past , and not so distant past ,who served, and those who made the ultimate sacrifice . i remember i had a great uncle in the light horse . and a grandfather who fought to retake the island of rabaul , and served at a POW camp in NG for japs , and his brother who was in the RAN . i have my grandfathers service medals and just gave them a look over this morning after listening to the dawn service on the radio . bloody miserable weather around brissy this morning , my hats off to those that attended dawn service in person . BRS attended down the GC , freakin media tried to make a story out of it , RSL rep shut them down


lest we forget

[Bugman]

I keep my late fathers service medals very close. He served in the navy in WW2. First on the Shropshire then on HMAS Cessnock.
Lest we forget.

[bigrich]

some i feel , should be deported . i don't care where, just not here


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... ocialshare

[alexjones]

Was cool to see people booing the welcome to country they did before the ANZAC ceremony.

[Willie]

[quote="alexjones"]Was cool to see people booing the welcome to country they did before the ANZAC ceremony.[/quote]

Why was it cool? I need a "Pauline Hanson" on that comment......please explain.

[alexjones]

Was cool to see people booing the welcome to country they did before the ANZAC ceremony.

Why was it cool? I need a "Pauline Hanson" on that comment......please explain.

Because a welcome to country is a divisive political statement designed to create division.

Not to mention the British and our forebears conquered this land so why should homage and tribute be paid to a defeated opponent? It makes no sense.


ANZAC Day should not be a political statement. It should be about remembrance and national unity.

[bigrich]

Was cool to see people booing the welcome to country they did before the ANZAC ceremony.

Why was it cool? I need a "Pauline Hanson" on that comment......please explain.

Because a welcome to country is a divisive political statement designed to create division.

Not to mention the British and our forebears conquered this land so why should homage and tribute be paid to a defeated opponent? It makes no sense.


ANZAC Day should not be a political statement. It should be about remembrance and national unity.

your right , anzac day should NOT be political , which to me includes booing welcome to country . bloody poor taste and disrespectful . aboriginals and islanders served the empire as well and deserve remembrance and respect. if people have a problem with welcome to country address it at another time , not during dawn service . i'm conservative in my views, but by christ i'd have something to say to those clowns afterwards

[Wapiti]

You are all right IMHO, ANZAC Day should NEVER had this insipid political stunt permeate the sacredness of the day.

Aboriginals, as well as patriotic men and women from many different countries who had become Australians, answered the call to go and fight.
There is no need to bring the politics of division into this day.

But at the government-employee-organised major events at the big names, this is introduced to keep hammering away at this course to divide us.
They know it will be televised to all that sit and watch or attend, and have another shot at ramming this home.
Never miss an opportunity, eh?
Unfortunately, the disrespect of booing at a service seems to be the only way to show these activists to just back off and realise that ANZAC Day is dedicated to those who have fallen on behalf of us , Aussies are sick of it the inserted guilt message in every f*cken thing they can ram it into.

What's so great about our local town's Dawn Service is that there's no public-servant socialists organising it, no slimy "welcome to your own country" BS, the localities are all named from WW1 battlefields that Aussies were involved in, the area was settled and named by the returned servicemen via donated soldier-settlement blocks, and the chilling displays.
I had this terrible guilt trip that I never made it to the Stanthorpe march too, later in the day, because of a truck delivery. Ironically the truck driver is a mate who doesn't go to the service, because of bitterness over the Afghan men being hunted by sit-down-to-p*ss journalists, as he is one of the men who went there on Little Johnnie's behalf a few times.
He made me feel better about missing it.

[Robin]

No matter how anyone feels about it, no one should ever boo at an ANZAC ceremony. It’s one of the most important days in Australia’s history. Just think—if our ancestors hadn’t fought for this country, we might not even have the privilege of booing today. Save it for another event, but leave ANZAC Day alone.

[alexjones]

To me the welcome to country that preceded the booing was disrespectful and provoked the booing making it justified.

Aboriginals who served deserved to be treated the exact same as everyone else. No more and no less. So them getting their own special “welcome to my land” is disrespectful and creates hatred towards them.

An Australian should never pay homage or tribute to someone who wants to be seen as an other.

[alexjones]

I got rinsed playing 2 up but it was fun.

[alexjones]

All of them old diggers were not pussies. They would never bow down and kiss someone’s feet. Which is what a welcome to country is. Accepting dominion to the elites and paying them tribute.

[Wapiti]

No matter how anyone feels about it, no one should ever boo at an ANZAC ceremony. It’s one of the most important days in Australia’s history. Just think—if our ancestors hadn’t fought for this country, we might not even have the privilege of booing today. Save it for another event, but leave ANZAC Day alone.

Fair enough sentiment mate, but how about in return keep the divisive political crap of "welcome to the country I was born in" in it's pathetic political box.

The politicians arent listening, so maybe the boos will get louder as they disrespect the day and keep trying to hand over everything these hero's fought for, and the land and opportunities we bought, worked hard to build and paid for, to people who won't lift a finger.

[bigrich]

No matter how anyone feels about it, no one should ever boo at an ANZAC ceremony. It’s one of the most important days in Australia’s history. Just think—if our ancestors hadn’t fought for this country, we might not even have the privilege of booing today. Save it for another event, but leave ANZAC Day alone.

Fair enough sentiment mate, but how about in return keep the divisive political crap of "welcome to the country I was born in" in it's pathetic political box.

The politicians arent listening, so maybe the boos will get louder as they disrespect the day and keep trying to hand over everything these hero's fought for, and the land and opportunities we bought, worked hard to build and paid for, to people who won't lift a finger.

yeah mate , i agree about how welcome to country is forced on us at the drop of a hat , it actually undermines any significance it's got .

but to me , dawn service is sacred , beyond politics or protest . to play up booing is self entitled, and disrespectful to veteran's and the fallen .

if people object to welcome to country being included at dawn service, objections should be voiced at another time . one COULD argue welcome to country at dawn service shows respect to aboriginals who served , but got no credit , in some cases were underpaid cause they were aboriginal, and largely forgotten about after the war ended . there's many views on this , but dawn service is not the time to voice them in my humble opinion . cheers

[fussy]

Somewhat worrying that a person who might never have served decides if everyone (including veterans) is welcome or not.
By remaining silent, you accept that they are deciding if you are allowed to be present.

I wouldn't boo on ANZAC day, but there are people of all ethnicities who served (and died for) Australia, partly to get rid of racial superiority eg. Nazi Germany.

I've never charged veterans an out-of-pocket fee for my service, regardless of skin colour. I expect the same courtesy, especially from non-veterans.

[cadet]

In an age when access all recorded human knowledge, in seconds, is literally in the palm of your hand, being so incurious as to not understand that "country" in a "welcome to country" has zero to do with being welcomed to the modern conception of the Australian nation really is wilful ignorance and overt racism at this point.

I accept a magnanimously offered WtC no less than I accept Christian prayers and hymns, the haka, or God Defend NZ. I accept it more than some of the politics I've heard delivered at ANZAC ceremonies over the years.

[cadet]

Was cool to see people booing the welcome to country they did before the ANZAC ceremony.

What a putrid thing to say.

[alexjones]

Was cool to see people booing the welcome to country they did before the ANZAC ceremony.

What a putrid thing to say.

I don't know you. You might self identity as a commie but I certainty do not mate. The old diggers whom I knew who fought in the war were not commies either. They would never pay homage to some randoms claim to our shared land.

All these ANZAC parades are on public land so homage should never be payed to some random. Public land is for all Australians and nobody should need to be “welcomed”.

[Wapiti]

No matter how anyone feels about it, no one should ever boo at an ANZAC ceremony. It’s one of the most important days in Australia’s history. Just think—if our ancestors hadn’t fought for this country, we might not even have the privilege of booing today. Save it for another event, but leave ANZAC Day alone.

Fair enough sentiment mate, but how about in return keep the divisive political crap of "welcome to the country I was born in" in it's pathetic political box.

The politicians arent listening, so maybe the boos will get louder as they disrespect the day and keep trying to hand over everything these hero's fought for, and the land and opportunities we bought, worked hard to build and paid for, to people who won't lift a finger.

yeah mate , i agree about how welcome to country is forced on us at the drop of a hat , it actually undermines any significance it's got .

but to me , dawn service is sacred , beyond politics or protest . to play up booing is self entitled, and disrespectful to veteran's and the fallen .

if people object to welcome to country being included at dawn service, objections should be voiced at another time . one COULD argue welcome to country at dawn service shows respect to aboriginals who served , but got no credit , in some cases were underpaid cause they were aboriginal, and largely forgotten about after the war ended . there's many views on this , but dawn service is not the time to voice them in my humble opinion . cheers

I actually don't give a flying F what others think.

The first thing that popped into my head again this year when I heard the booing, was, good.
This is Anzac day, not about perpetual victims and politics of envy and division.
It is about sacrifice and respect for our diggers, not EVER anything else.

I am not a veteran, just an Australian.
My mates I caught up with, Somalia, Timor, Iraq and Afghan vets, said exactly the same thing I said above. They don't want to hear it, or see it.
My wife, who learned medicine in the navy and did Ortho on ships with people choppering in with bullet and blast injuries, and who'd Grand-dad was a full blood aboriginal, also thinks this crap at dawn services is insulting and going too far.
These people's opinions reinforce what I thought anyway, and I value their opinions over anyone else's, and they're the only opinions I will respect. Contribution over, we all think differently and the path to sanity.

[alexjones]

To me it’s the arrogance of the welcome to country speakers. “I am here to welcome everybody to my fathers country”.

Go F yourself and your father. You are either Australian or you are not. It’s that simple. This country is all of ours not your F ing fathers.

Nobody past or present wants to pay homage to your father.

[bigrich]

yep agreed , welcome to country at dawn services is not warranted or wanted . i respect the views of others and their opinions , but in my opinion dawn service is not the place for protests or politics . it's sacred , that's my bottom line .

i played devils advocate with looking at things from the other perspective in regards to aboriginal service members , having a bit of empathy , and exploring both sides of the discussion . got the F word in response to the idea . fair enough i guess , that's democracy . good to get feedback on the views of aboriginal folk from you wapiti on this topic . cheers

[Willie]

To me, if welcome to country is utilised on occasions like Anzac Day, I don't care at all. The unfortunate thing is that this is now embedded into our society, as well as the aboriginal flag being flown side by side with Australian flag, in various places, schools, councils etc etc. This country is becoming so divisive, it is sickening.

[bigrich]

To me, if welcome to country is utilised on occasions like Anzac Day, I don't care at all. The unfortunate thing is that this is now embedded into our society, as well as the aboriginal flag being flown side by side with Australian flag, in various places, schools, councils etc etc. This country is becoming so divisive, it is sickening.

Spot on

[alexjones]

You guys are right. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book!

All welcome to country does is make people angry which makes them hate.

This federation is fractioning.

[bigrich]

You guys are right. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book
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Divide and conquer? Where did you get that from ? My take is most agree welcome to country isn’t really applicable at Anzac Day, but neither are politics and protests. I must be missing something.

[alexjones]

You guys are right. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book
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Divide and conquer? Where did you get that from ? My take is most agree welcome to country isn’t really applicable at Anzac Day, but neither are politics and protests. I must be missing something.

I just meant it in regards to the division. This country has never been so divisive and its getting worse.

I agree with your stance of the ceremony being sacred. But I understand the concept of provocation. So the people doing it probably felt provoked and morally outraged.

[bigrich]

You guys are right. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book
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Divide and conquer? Where did you get that from ? My take is most agree welcome to country isn’t really applicable at Anzac Day, but neither are politics and protests. I must be missing something.

I just meant it in regards to the division. This country has never been so divisive and its getting worse.

I agree with your stance of the ceremony being sacred. But I understand the concept of provocation. So the people doing it probably felt provoked and morally outraged.

Ahh, okay, I get that. Cheers

[alexjones]

You guys are right. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book
.

Divide and conquer? Where did you get that from ? My take is most agree welcome to country isn’t really applicable at Anzac Day, but neither are politics and protests. I must be missing something.

I just meant it in regards to the division. This country has never been so divisive and its getting worse.

I agree with your stance of the ceremony being sacred. But I understand the concept of provocation. So the people doing it probably felt provoked and morally outraged.

Ahh, okay, I get that. Cheers

Take us back to the late 80 or early 90s mate. Life was better in 90% of ways.

[perentie]

And I used to respect Ernie Dingo.
https://www.facebook.com/familyvoiceaus ... 122380871/

He wasnt the first but but could be why its gaining momentum today.

[bigrich]

here's a good opinion piece that puts some things in perspective and provides a alternative to booing

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/ca ... ocialshare