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Anyone set off the explosive tests after shooting?

Post by chacho » 20 Oct 2013, 2:53 pm

Hi,

I'm sure we all know the random explosives test at the air port.

Anyone ever set it off after a days shooting and had to explain yourself?
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Post by chacka » 20 Oct 2013, 3:01 pm

I fly a bit and get the test a couple of times a year.

Never set it off though.
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Post by Monty » 20 Oct 2013, 3:07 pm

Nor I.

Like Chacka, I've had the test 2-3 times a year and not set it off.

Never gone straight to the airport from the range though...

The sooner you go to the AP after shooting the higher your chance I suppose.
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Post by crys » 20 Oct 2013, 3:14 pm

I had a chat to the security guy (who was also a shooter) about it when I had the test once.

He reckons you need to be wearing the same clothes you shot or reloaded in.
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Post by Harts » 20 Oct 2013, 3:25 pm

Have a shower every once in a while and you'll be right :P
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Post by on_one_wheel » 20 Oct 2013, 3:28 pm

I use to fly 24 times a year, and had even shot the same day in the same clothes with no dectection. I think you need to bath in the stuf before they can detect it. I have had the sniffer dogs sit by my hand luggage because there was chease in it. That was a bit freaky ! Been pinged with a pocket knife on my belt, that was no dramas. I just had to post it to myself, Had me worried that I would loose it for a minute. But I wouldnt go out of my way to set of the explosive sniffer.... good way to miss a flight.
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Post by Arth » 20 Oct 2013, 4:07 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:But I wouldnt go out of my way to set of the explosive sniffer.... good way to miss a flight.


A mate of mine flew into the US from Thailand where he's shot heaps at a range and kept some brass.

They found the empty brass and kept him waiting for 8 hours while they questioned him and did whatever the eff else they said they were doing.
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Post by Warrigul » 20 Oct 2013, 5:43 pm

The main chemical they are scanning for isn't present in modern smokeless propellant.
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Post by Chickenhawk » 20 Oct 2013, 6:05 pm

Warrigul wrote:The main chemical they are scanning for isn't present in modern smokeless propellant.


I got told the same thing when I flew a while ago.
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Post by chacho » 21 Feb 2014, 7:49 am

I'm going shooting this Saturday morning and flying out in the afternoon.

Might have to skip the shower and put it to the test on the weekend :lol:
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Post by yoshie » 22 Feb 2014, 2:02 pm

I had the test after loading up 600 rounds of 9mm, 400x 357 mag and a whole lot of 30-06 and it didn't trigger the alarm, same clothes and shoes.
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Post by Norton » 22 Feb 2014, 8:38 pm

Guess we'll see if we hear from chacho again :lol:

On subject though, I've gone through the next morning too without any drama.
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Post by MrClark » 07 May 2014, 10:07 pm

FIFO worker here and after a good old range day before fly out... Nothing!

Same clothes etc, funny they can't pick that up but my 150mm shifter could apparently be used as a weapon? Bloody hell, if thats the case one of the short cans of beer they sell could do the same.
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Post by 1290 » 08 May 2014, 12:36 am

Warrigul wrote:The main chemical they are scanning for isn't present in modern smokeless propellant.


Yep, I asked the question myself years ago, they dont test for nitrocellulose, and if they did a shooter is probably more likely to have carbon residue...

Test is more for nasty stuff like plastic explosives, RDX etc
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Post by chilliman » 08 May 2014, 7:42 am

I recently heard about a bloke that got picked up by the feds at Sydney domestic airport for talking about reloading on his mobile phone.
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Post by 1290 » 08 May 2014, 9:03 am

Never underestimate the utter stupidity at the airports...

I was leaving Brissy with the wife, hand bags through the xray... s**t hits the proverbial as they found a gun in the wife's bag.

It was a key chain fob miniature beretta 92 all of about 40mm long. Is was an 'imitation pistol' apparently and there was NO WAY we were taking it onboard. (It's an effing keychain!)

FFS... I was speechless, but eventually my ability to speak returned and eventually we boarded with the said pistol.
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Post by remnt » 08 May 2014, 9:25 am

1290 wrote:Yep, I asked the question myself years ago, they dont test for nitrocellulose, and if they did a shooter is probably more likely to have carbon residue...

Test is more for nasty stuff like plastic explosives, RDX etc


I sort of wonder how relevant that is a bit?

I mean, who has access to C4, RDX?

It's not like you go down to 'Military Grade Explosives R Us' and just pick it up?
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Post by Sender » 08 May 2014, 9:28 am

These things aren't strictly military. Some of them anyway...

I don't know about C4 but RDX is definitely used industrially in controlled demolitions etc.

No doubt there is a spread of similarly powerful alternatives as well you might access through building or demolition industries.

I couldn't say how easy or difficult they are to get, but it's not strictly military.
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Post by chacka » 08 May 2014, 9:30 am

MrClark wrote:Same clothes etc, funny they can't pick that up but my 150mm shifter could apparently be used as a weapon? Bloody hell, if thats the case one of the short cans of beer they sell could do the same.


And they take your nail clippers off you at the gate then give you metal cutlery on the plane...

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Post by Lorgar » 08 May 2014, 9:33 am

1290 wrote:It was a key chain fob miniature beretta 92 all of about 40mm long.


When I was a kid I had one of those red potato gun pistols, you know the one's you push the muzzle into a potato then squeeze and a little pressure sends a .22 site bit of potato 5-6m?

No way (IMO) you could possibly mistake one of these things for a real firearm... Ever...

Sure enough, pull up on it though. Being a kid I didn't want to just chuck it so we had to go to the special check-in or whatever it's called and process it through as if it were a real firearm.

Had to do declarations, sent separately, picked up at special section at destination and all the rest.

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Post by Lorgar » 08 May 2014, 9:37 am

Now that I remember it...

On the flip side of that, a few years later I was taking a flight and was on crutches at the time (metal ones).

The security guy was 5-6 metres past the metal detector chatting to some woman (chatting up?). I walked through, obviously the detector bleats about the crutches, the guy looks at me and sees I'm on crutches and just waves me through without even coming over so he can go back to his chat.

Hmm.
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Post by jeebo » 08 May 2014, 9:39 am

chilliman wrote:I recently heard about a bloke that got picked up by the feds at Sydney domestic airport for talking about reloading on his mobile phone.


Like in Meet The Fockers.

"What if I was a bombardier?"

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Post by penthus » 08 May 2014, 10:05 am

Bit different to gunpowder but I am FIFO and get screened weekly and work as a shotfirer so usually have traces of PETN and a few other components on my clothing and have never been picked up.

Only time have had an issue is when I lend my old man one of my work bags and he got picked up and it came up with traces all through it and he got to enjoy a nice pat down and 20 minute questioning.
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Post by 1290 » 08 May 2014, 1:38 pm

How relevant is the screening? Some would argue it keeps the air transport safe... me, I believe there is not the problem that would like us to believe, or if there is then swabbing elderly gents, a mother with three children in tow, is not the solution!

It is pure brown stuff ejected from a male bovine. Many people relish the opportunity to have in our society such controls, eyes on everyone in the public realm, video surveillance not only at airports, visually psych evaluating individuals in the crowd, police recording each vehicle plate and recording movement (we promise we wont record your movements!!)

Why? For the children, its for the children. Just like registering legal firearms and recording where every legal firearm location and movement has saved so many lives....

Yup.

Rant over.

Explosives, RDX and C4 are interchangeable names really, RDX is cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine, not that hard to pronounce;
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(I have an interest in organic chemistry, just an interest nothing more, I swear ASIO....)

Cyclic hydrocarbon ring with 3 nitros substituted, (oh the memories) a few other additions,

AKA 1,3,5-Trinitroperhydro-1,3,5-triazine and other names as well,

I think my kids where the only ones on the street that knew what trinitrotoluene was....nitroglycerin....nitrocellulose, ah where would we be without these nitro thingies!
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Post by cruze82 » 08 May 2014, 8:01 pm

Have had them go off a couple of time when I was enlisted, only on one backpack that had had a fair bit of use, ha ha.

Never on any hunting trip clothing not enough volume I guess.
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Post by remnt » 09 May 2014, 2:17 pm

1290 wrote:Explosives, RDX and C4 are interchangeable names really, RDX is cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine, not that hard to pronounce;


Well if that's the case OK.

I just wondered if it was the kind of thing people could actually get there hands on...

I wondered if it was another practice put in place because some politician saw it in a movie...
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Post by jeener » 09 May 2014, 2:21 pm

jeebo wrote:Like in Meet The Fockers.

"What if I was a bombardier?"

:lol:


Maybe you get tasered and dragged off the plane like him as well :P
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