Should the SSAA become the NRA for Australia?

[<<Genesis93>>]

The US NRA and the SSAA are actually very similar, both spend their time preserving the status quo in gun laws in their respective countries...

[Title_II]

The US NRA and the SSAA are actually very similar, both spend their time preserving the status quo in gun laws in their respective countries...

Like when the NRA forced the repeal of our "Assault Weapons Ban" and initiated a monumental revolution in not only civilian gun ownership but also US Military weaponry and technology.

Gun Generation 2.0 started the day after the repeal of the US Assault Weapons Ban, thanks to the NRA. Honestly, most Aussie gun owners wouldn't be complaining about 96 if it wasn't for the repeal in the US. It had a worldwide effect in not only technology, but also media, culture, and awareness. 20% of your military small arms wouldn't exist, and PMAGs certainly wouldn't. Even generational shifts in sights and small unit tactics have been produced by the private sector in the US due to the explosion of Gun Generation 2.0.

So much for status quo. They changed the world.

And don't get me started on Concealed Carry.



Also something you would not be talking about in Australia were it not for the NRA.

[<<Genesis93>>]

My comment was more so a tongue in cheek reference to the SSAA, and how are gun control laws 'suits' them as is, the law basically requires you to join an organisation for most/many shooters here, so why would you want to change that, right...

NRA, I'm more referring to the upholding of the 2nd amt......yes, there has been a lot of work pro-gun, but ultimately its keeping the constitution as is.....its interesting with that in mind, that the proposed AWB, introduced 16-12-2015 (I might to a bit of commentary on it) It's so wrong, Its a direct attack on the 2ndA, as it states: "....to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited.." so a law to limit the amendment... that should go down well, probably wont get past committee stage, but its overtly confirming the old guns for the government, none for the masses thinking, although semis would be grandfathered, those that become restricted - most AR/AK and many others, would be available for purchase and transfer only to current or Ex law enforcement.. this is like a step toward the old not so secret US government plan from the 60'sspelling out the absolute disarmament of the people, disbanding of militaries and only firearms for the UN & police

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-con ... /4269/text
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

Apparently the executive orders have been issuedcovering background checks, mental health funding, dealer licensing, but I cant locate anything though apart from mainstream media discourse, maybe one of our US brothers(or sisters even) could start a new thread on US gun control, the current proposed AWB and todays executive orders??

[Title_II]

Proposed AWB is DOA. You are right. It would not make it out of committee. There's one every year.

The funny thing is Obama's executive orders. They changed nothing. Nothing at all. Not a damn thing. The media is running around screaming private sales have been outlawed and sales at gunshows are over. If you read the summary from the White House, and the guidance statement from the ATF on the new executive order, the ATF policies and regulations are exactly the same as they were last week. Nothing new at all, zilch. Not even a narrowing, not even a clarification, just a restatement of current ATF policies.

That should do it, no new thread needed

[happyhunter]

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[<<Genesis93>>]

Its clear that this or any AWB has little to do with reducing crime/murder/mass shooting... given that AWs account for maybe 50 maybe a lot less out of 8000+ gun murders..... not even worth working out the percentage!! and as we've seen, restricting types of firearms will do zip to stop crime.

The important consideration is WHY such a song and dance over the (in relation to their use in crime) INSIGNIFICANT 'assault weapons'? Because of the significant of an armed populace, armed with (almost) equivalent small arms compared to the government.....

If they really wanted to reduce the deaths, then the 'war on drugs' would have seen the back streets of Chicago, and other areas with murder rates similar to the worst countries in Africa and S.America cleaned out.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Proposed AWB is DOA. You are right. It would not make it out of committee. There's one every year.

The funny thing is Obama's executive orders. They changed nothing. Nothing at all. Not a damn thing. The media is running around screaming private sales have been outlawed and sales at gunshows are over. If you read the summary from the White House, and the guidance statement from the ATF on the new executive order, the ATF policies and regulations are exactly the same as they were last week. Nothing new at all, zilch. Not even a narrowing, not even a clarification, just a restatement of current ATF policies.

That should do it, no new thread needed

Without the ATF and it's undercover agents attendance at gun shows would drop by 25-30%.

No kidding
Without the FBI/DHS attendance at civil unrest location, protests and other 'anti govt movements' would probably be likewise reduced ...

[Heckler303]

Proposed AWB is DOA. You are right. It would not make it out of committee. There's one every year.

The funny thing is Obama's executive orders. They changed nothing. Nothing at all. Not a damn thing. The media is running around screaming private sales have been outlawed and sales at gunshows are over. If you read the summary from the White House, and the guidance statement from the ATF on the new executive order, the ATF policies and regulations are exactly the same as they were last week. Nothing new at all, zilch. Not even a narrowing, not even a clarification, just a restatement of current ATF policies.

That should do it, no new thread needed

Lol, he wants so much gun control, yet by putting more workforce into the FBI and processing background checks, isn't he quite literally making purchases quicker than before?


Obama has to be the best thing that has happened to gun sales in the U.S for a long while.

[Farmjer]

From what I briefly read about the latest from Obama is he's pushing for all the usual things.... Background checks, licensing, closing some loopholes to do with gun shows and skipping checks there and so on. But... From what I read it it was more like an agreed set of guidelines to follow rather than law, so people had to choose to accept them.

Which no one will....