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Post by MalleeFarmer » 08 Jan 2016, 1:06 pm

Hi just sent away a application for PTA. Got me thinking has anyone ever had their application rejected? I'm just curious that's all. If so what reasoning was issued?
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Post by Die Judicii » 08 Jan 2016, 4:01 pm

Not to me it hasn't,,
But a friend of mine was rejected (just after the PTA system was introduced) and he was told that his application was knocked back because he already had a firearm of that particular caliber and brand.
That was in NSW, and I don't know what the outcome was because I lost contact with him shortly after.

As well it was a long time ago now,,,,,, maybe it was just a pedantic prick flexing his puny muscles. :wtf:
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Post by KWhorenet » 08 Jan 2016, 9:59 pm

MalleeFarmer wrote:Hi just sent away a application for PTA. Got me thinking has anyone ever had their application rejected? I'm just curious that's all. If so what reasoning was issued?


Ive had x4 of the same cal/action/brand and never got knocked. PTA reasons were something along the lines of 1- what ever my LGS said, 2- ditto, 3- ditto, 4- Parts donor.

I think they just say hunting, farm pests etc etc
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Post by David Brown » 09 Jan 2016, 10:29 am

I expect this is the same in other states, but in Qld they are required to send you a rejection letter. They will try to phone you "off the written record" but they must by law write to you. Then if you are being rejected for reasons that are not lawful, and WLB do this, you have every opportunity to take them to QCAT or similar.

Usually just the fact that you refuse to accept the verbal rejection and insist on a written one, will be enough to get them thinking. If they ask why explain the law requires them to do so and if you are lawfully entitled to it, you will pursue the matter in court. PTA in the mail within days is what i would expect. It has happened before.

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Post by Die Judicii » 09 Jan 2016, 3:57 pm

bentaz wrote:Ive had no troubles getting multiple permits through at the same time, ive got about 15 s/b 12ga shotties, i think the most ive put in on the one day is 3.
Might be of less concern to them than if i was "stockpiling " .338 laps or AR's or something scary.


You mean like that single barrel one that you showed me that's been converted to fire ICBMs ?????

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Post by No1Mk3 » 09 Jan 2016, 7:42 pm

G'day MalleeFarmer,
Had plenty rejected. If you have not filled out every required field in the manner they like it may be sent back to you for correction, but they will not actually reject it. A Cat A permit is usually approved without question but I have had a permit for a 22 rejected recently, and had to explain my "Genuine Reason" by phone and re-submit. I believe this was only due to the recent change in staff and the new people not being familiar with the Act. You may only apply for 3 Cat B permits for the same calibre, ie: 3x303, 3x308 etc, before you will be required to support your application with a written letter detailing why you need a 4th Cat B firearm. Cheers.
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Post by tom604 » 09 Jan 2016, 8:09 pm

happened to me once,,the missus said no :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:
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Post by southeast varmiter » 09 Jan 2016, 8:21 pm

No1Mk3 wrote:G'day MalleeFarmer,
Had plenty rejected. If you have not filled out every required field in the manner they like it may be sent back to you for correction, but they will not actually reject it. A Cat A permit is usually approved without question but I have had a permit for a 22 rejected recently, and had to explain my "Genuine Reason" by phone and re-submit. I believe this was only due to the recent change in staff and the new people not being familiar with the Act. You may only apply for 3 Cat B permits for the same calibre, ie: 3x303, 3x308 etc, before you will be required to support your application with a written letter detailing why you need a 4th Cat B firearm. Cheers.

Only if the calibers have the same action.
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Post by No1Mk3 » 09 Jan 2016, 8:34 pm

G'day southeast varmiter,
They are not considering actions in determining approvals, only calibre. Action type is part of the "genuine need" that you can put in your support letter. For instance, the last 2 PTA's I submitted for 303 were rejected based on the number of 303 I already had quoting S.104(2) of the Act, even though S104(2) specifies "Type & Calibre" they only apply calibre. My support letter pointed out that my current 303's were bolt action rifles for hunting and specific competition, and the new ones were for carbines for specific competition. They then wanted proof of my using them in competition. The previous Sgt knew all this, his replacements don't. Cheers.
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Post by pomemax » 10 Jan 2016, 2:44 pm

In nsw we only put type of firearm applied for .
IE: centerfire B or Rim fire A any type of action Shotguns come under A too but Pump action shotty and semis C
A handgun is a different pta No calibur or serial numbers on pta
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Post by juststarting » 10 Jan 2016, 2:58 pm

Fwiw - I've never filed one. I am in VIC. I just call the LGS, ask them to fill it, it's filed electronically, I get a call an hour later to come down and pick "it" up. So far 4 PTA's - 2 out of 4 for 308/7.62 - no issues at all. Like clock work.

Also, can fill the PTA for a caliber, I suppose rifle type/details is registered at time of an actual purchase.
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Post by vexesus » 14 Jan 2016, 12:32 pm

Only when people had 3-4 of the same calibre and only in the more nannyish of our states.

VIC gets what they want pretty much.
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Post by MalleeFarmer » 15 Jan 2016, 1:35 pm

Well mine was just returned in the mail about a week after sending it off. Awesome. SxS .410 here we come.
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Post by No1Mk3 » 16 Jan 2016, 7:10 am

Good stuff, 20" Stoeger coach gun? Or one of the longer barrel 410's?
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Post by MalleeFarmer » 16 Jan 2016, 8:44 am

I ended up going for the 26" SxS uplander model. 20 just seemed way too short for a shotty even a .410 a short SG is not much good to anyone other than for a defence weapon which I can't have and if I could it wouldn't be a .410 anyway it should be a nice handy rabbit/snake gun.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 16 Jan 2016, 10:45 am

MalleeFarmer wrote:I ended up going for the 26" SxS uplander model. 20 just seemed way too short for a shotty even a .410 a short SG is not much good to anyone other than for a defence weapon which I can't have and if I could it wouldn't be a .410 anyway it should be a nice handy rabbit/snake gun.

That's right MalleeFarmer, you can NOT have a defensive weapon.... :silent:
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This is similar to the NZ firearm licensing process, where you're interviewed during the process and asked whether you want the firearm licence and firearms, for self defence..... so you need to remember to say "No.".... No Officer, target practice and hunting".. :thumbsup: :allegedly:
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Post by Title_II » 17 Jan 2016, 6:43 am

In the US they make us fill out a form to buy or make "sawed off shotguns," silencers, machineguns, explosive weapons, poison gas weapons, etc., known as "NFA."


For the newer guys, they also ask us for a reason we need or intend to make the weapon. I like this one, see Section i






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Post by Title_II » 17 Jan 2016, 12:50 pm

bentaz wrote:Seems legit to me :thumbsup:


It's a real approved Form 1. They will approve anything that doesn't say "Death to America!" in Section i. The question is an anachronism, no justification is actually required for approval.
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