PTA rejection. Anyone had it happen?

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Post by anthillinside » 17 Jan 2016, 6:48 pm

That would make perfect sense in Aus, the Weapons Licensing Branch is fully staffed by living dead. :allegedly:
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Post by MalleeFarmer » 17 Jan 2016, 9:12 pm

That is awesome. :clap: Here any thought of modifying a firearm is taboo. Only in Victoria I can change the caliber of any of my rifles as much as I want as long as I let the licensing and regulation division of Vicpol know.
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Re: PTA rejection. Anyone had it happen?

Post by Title_II » 18 Jan 2016, 3:05 am

Just to be clear, you can do anything you want to firearms here at will, no forms. Just that full autos, rifles with barrels shorter than 16", shotguns bbls shorter than 18", and a few other things not related to common arms are NFA and require the form and tax. So it's not the modification, it's that you're making something that is regulated.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Jan 2016, 8:32 am

Title_II wrote:Just to be clear, you can do anything you want to firearms here at will, no forms. Just that full autos, rifles with barrels shorter than 16", shotguns bbls shorter than 18", and a few other things not related to common arms are NFA and require the form and tax. So it's not the modification, it's that you're making something that is regulated.


Autos must be grandfathered? Or can you take your upper, lower, auto bolt carrier and associated parts then pay the ATFE fees (maybe before the exercise) and you're good to go??,

Is there a restriction on where you can use an auto?

As far as the form up there^, its much like the PTA forms here, redundant waster of resources on both sides....achieving nothing whatsoever considering the applicants are already licensed for the arms they seek to acquire....
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Post by Vati » 18 Jan 2016, 10:04 am

Title_II wrote:I like this one, see Section i


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Post by Title_II » 18 Jan 2016, 11:08 am

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Title_II wrote:Just to be clear, you can do anything you want to firearms here at will, no forms. Just that full autos, rifles with barrels shorter than 16", shotguns bbls shorter than 18", and a few other things not related to common arms are NFA and require the form and tax. So it's not the modification, it's that you're making something that is regulated.


Autos must be grandfathered? Or can you take your upper, lower, auto bolt carrier and associated parts then pay the ATFE fees (maybe before the exercise) and you're good to go??,


Civilian full autos were made by May 1986. You can change them any way you want. So, for instance, it you bought an M16, and wanted to make an M4 (which did not exist in 1986), you can do that. An MP-5 sear can go into a new HK-91/G3 or HK43/51/etc. etc. etc. M16s can get brand new belt fed uppers. Even MAC-10s, the bastard child on the cheap end of nfa, can be converted to fire .223 full auto.

If you want entirely new full autos you start a gun shop (or gun manufacturing business) and pay a $500 tax per year. People do run them out of their houses, but ATF will cancel your license if you are not actually selling guns and obviously in the business at least a little on a regular basis. It's really not hard, but most people don;t want to deal with it. Just like most people don't want to deal with starting any kind of business.

Is there a restriction on where you can use an auto?


No resitrctions on where, why, or how.

As far as the form up there^, its much like the PTA forms here, redundant waster of resources on both sides....achieving nothing whatsoever considering the applicants are already licensed for the arms they seek to acquire....


People who file that form are not licensed in the US. Yes, it achieves nothing. Again, this is only for NFA weapons. Short barrel shotguns/rifles, machineguns, AOWs (hard to explain), explosive weapons/explosive rockets, poison gas weapons, rifled guns over .50 (except shotguns, "sporting purpouse, black power, or smooth bore such as the M1 Abrams 120 mm :) )
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Post by Yelp » 20 Jan 2016, 2:15 pm

What is considered a "short barrel" long arm there?

Just curious how it compares to Aus.
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Post by Title_II » 20 Jan 2016, 4:14 pm

Yelp wrote:What is considered a "short barrel" long arm there?

Just curious how it compares to Aus.


Handguns are unregulated, any barrel length is fine.

Rifles must have 16" and shotguns must have 18" If it is shorter, it is NFA and you file the form and pay the tax. Which is pretty much automatically approved. And I love things automatic.
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Post by Harts » 29 Jan 2016, 8:07 am

Do you need to provide a reason why it's shorter or are you basically just notifying them?
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Post by Title_II » 29 Jan 2016, 9:23 am

Harts wrote:Do you need to provide a reason why it's shorter or are you basically just notifying them?


See above, they ask for a reason. You can tell them, "Zombies." It doesn't matter what reason you give, the question is archaic. They don't care.

Take a machinegun. Machineguns can have any barrel length, but they are already subject to NFA. The only regulated part (in most cases) is the receiver OR trigger group. You can replace the rest of it with an Apache Helicopter. No forms required. Just the form when you obtained the receiver.

Again, handguns have no length restrictions. No forms, no registration, no nothing. Same as ordinary long guns.

Rifles. You can do anything you want with a rifle. Turn an AR-15 into an M4 clone but just keep the TOTAL barrel length 16". Change out all the p[arts, modify it, change the caliber, doesn't matter. Heck, turn it into a different gun if you are that skilled. Heck, MAKE YOUR OWN from scratch. You can make your own guns in the US, including buying unregulated flats and billets, or starting from a block or metal. No forms, no registration, no nothing.

If you want the rifle length below 16" it becomes NFA and you have to file that form and pay the tax. Now it is Short Barreled Rifle (SBR). Now you can have unlimited barrel lengths, no more forms to file. And you can still change everything else on it as well, of course.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 29 Jan 2016, 10:04 am

Title_II wrote:
Yelp wrote:What is considered a "short barrel" long arm there?

Just curious how it compares to Aus.


Handguns are unregulated, any barrel length is fine.

Rifles must have 16" and shotguns must have 18" If it is shorter, it is NFA and you file the form and pay the tax. Which is pretty much automatically approved. And I love things automatic.


Handguns are regulated with certain features, silencers threaded bbl.... or is that only the proposed AWB??
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Post by Title_II » 29 Jan 2016, 11:19 am

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Title_II wrote:
Yelp wrote:What is considered a "short barrel" long arm there?

Just curious how it compares to Aus.


Handguns are unregulated, any barrel length is fine.

Rifles must have 16" and shotguns must have 18" If it is shorter, it is NFA and you file the form and pay the tax. Which is pretty much automatically approved. And I love things automatic.


Handguns are regulated with certain features, silencers threaded bbl.... or is that only the proposed AWB??


Unregulated.

There is no proposed AWB, those are the same as the proposed Unicorn Extermination Act. Or a proposed put a man on Saturn act. None of that is remotely serious.

Thread your barrels, do it yourself, do whatever you want. If you look online, most US handguns have threaded barrels as a basic option. Because they know we like cans (silencers).

Silencers are not part of the gun (99% of the time), but they are subject to the NFA. You must send in the one page form and the tax to get a silencer, or to build one yourself, unfortunately. Of course, this is assuming you have no license. No license is required to buy or own any of these weapons, but if you have a license you can just buy or make them at will without the tax. Silencer has nothing to do with the gun, you can use it on 100 different guns.
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Post by Gregg » 11 Feb 2016, 10:14 am

How much is suppressor tax out of curiosity?
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Post by Title_II » 11 Feb 2016, 12:25 pm

Gregg wrote:How much is suppressor tax out of curiosity?



If you have no license, all NFA taxes are $200 except for AOW which is $5. Silencer is $200 tax. AOWs are intentionally disguised guns like cell phone guns, short barreled shotguns that never had a stock but are not handguns, and a few other things. It's hard to explain. It's a pain but it's been this way (mostly) since 1934. At least they don't make you get a license or anything.
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Post by Wobble » 18 Feb 2016, 10:37 am

$5 AOW tax :wtf:
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Post by Arcwolf » 03 Jan 2019, 3:02 pm

I cant wait to submit my first PTA
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Post by Sarco » 04 Jan 2019, 7:40 pm

Here in Vic, I have not had a rejection as such, but more an explain why you need (or genuine reason for) this firearm.
In my case I was buying a Thompson Contender G2 handgun in 22LR for Rimfire Metallic Silhouette. As I already had a TC G2 in 22LR and 3 other 22LR handguns, I was required to explain why I needed this one.

I simply explained the series of matches in rimfire metallic silhouette (production, revolver, any sight, standing, 50M etc) and that this one was fitted with aperture sight and was therefore for the any sight match and all was good.

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Re: PTA rejection. Anyone had it happen?

Post by No1_49er » 04 Jan 2019, 8:46 pm

Don't you just love the insanity of all this.
It's not legit' until you pay a TAX, and then everything is hunky dory. What absolute crass stupidity. Just pay the TAX; everything's OK now.
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