Jira as a reloading notebook (nerds central)

[juststarting]

WARNING: 2am brain fart... Nerds only topic...

If anyone is familiar with Jira, I thought - hey it's $10 for an app or free online and one could rip out all the fields and rebuild screens specifically for reloading data. Just a thought Be interesting to try.

[scotty87]

You would get along with my brother, hes doing a dual engineering and IT degree and keeps talking to me about all this sort of stuff, goes straight over my head, just smile and nod. I've found over the last decade as technology has gotten better my desire to use it and understand it decreases every year.

[Noisydad]

I just use....a note book.

[Wylie27]

Or an excel spreadsheet and host it on OneDrive or iCloud or drop box or something

[juststarting]

Yeah, I do use spreadsheet now - exactly how you described. But with notes, photos and a bunch of calibers it gets messy and repetitive. Searching could be better too. And workflow, like, to shoot, to retest, retest #2, etc. All are definitely doable through spreadsheets or handwriting notes, but there should be a better way, methinks.

Anyway, next time I am procrastinating, I'll try to do this

Added benefit, add photos and notes at the range (as long as there's mobile data reception).

[Wylie27]

Very true, I did toy with the idea of a database in access..

But was lazy and went the spreadsheet route.

[on_one_wheel]

Great technology but far less reliable than pen and paper.

[juststarting]

Oh, I don't know about that dude. I would argue that anything hosted in a well established company that specialises in this exact thing is going to be orders of magnitude safer than pen and paper.

[on_one_wheel]

So how do you go about accessing your information when you're device is flat ?

I can have my notes neatly written down before you can unlock your phone let alone find your app and frigg around entering data.

[juststarting]

There are two questions there, one to do with risk management. The other about usability and personal preference.

Re usability and preferences - horses for courses. I Fe the same way about writing things in a notebook.

Re flat battery - make sure you charge your device, I guess. Same as running out of paper or ink. Or carry a small USB battery pack. Same as having a spare pen and paper

[Gwion]

What about quests such as:

Loss of signal? Can't enter or retrieve data.....

Personal data becoming property of hosting company or software developers??? They throw up a pay wall and you may have to pay to access your own data.....

[juststarting]

#2 - so you don't use cloud storage? This forum? What about Google? Think about it, they know EVERYTHING about you; etc. When discussing data privacy, I would much rather trust my data to seasoned software developers enticed by good salaries working for companies that specialise in these things, then for example some government department that does infact have your personal data that matters and powered by minimal remuneration and peak of incompetence. By now you can probably guess I know a little about IT security Trust me, I am a doctor (actually I am not a doctor, but happy to diagnose and perform minor surgery

#1 - solid, no argument there. That would be an issue.
But that doesn't stop you writing things down and taking photos, then uploading later. Or in case of paper, what if its wet and windy - that's sort of the same

[Gwion]

I didn't say anything about data privacy, I was talking about OwnerShip.

And no, I don't use cloud storage. I use the net as a convenience but think people are getting Far too reliant on it!

[juststarting]

Convenience, sure, I can quit at any time. Data ownership falls under data privacy.

[juststarting]

Going on a tangent here but how is it different to relying on other utilities like gas, electricity, car, fuel for the car... Internet is the same. Progress.

[Gwion]

To a point, i agree with the above.

However, most people under 25 are going to be completely screwed if and when they find themselves with out access to the net.

Can't read a map or navigate via terrain..... just one example.

Too many people have been convinced that the net is the answer to everything.

I see web based solutions to be ANOTHER option. A tool to be used in conjunction with many other tools and skill sets. Being entirely reliant on it just seems very limiting.

[on_one_wheel]

Going on a tangent here but how is it different to relying on other utilities like gas, electricity, car, fuel for the car... Internet is the same. Progress.

We rely on the convenience of technology far too much these days.

A recent state wide blackout in SA showed us just how ill-prepared the majority of us really are.
It was worrying to see how many people had no way of doing the basic things like cooking, lighting and heating.

Some mid north towns were without power for almost a full week.

Every time I chose to do without a modern convenience / technology my independence grows stronger.

[Wylie27]

I am an IT incident manager for a corporation and about a month ago we had an issue with the IT service desk tool system and they couldn't log tickets etc. long story but DR failed too.

The service desk lead was in a panic, how was her team going to log tickets.

I picked up my notebook and pencil and gave it to her...

The look on her face was priceless...

[on_one_wheel]

Don't get me wrong, I do believe that modern technology is making our lives easier.
I'm just dont think that it's for me.

This entire warehouse is full of files. "The photo pictured is the FBI's overflow filing system, housed during World War II in the Washington, D.C. Armory. By the early 1940s, the FBI's archive housed more than 23 million card and 10 million fingerprint records, with 400,000 new cards added each and every month."
It's entire contents would probably fit into a small one or two terabyte hard drives and I could find the file I'm looking for in seconds and no doubt it can all be backed up by others around the world.

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Imagine how long it would take to match finger prints !

If I had the need to store massive amounts of information I'd definitely be a part of the digital storage thing.
I'd be worried about data hijacking, viruses, solar flares and that sort of stuff.

We've got to the point where whole countries can be bought to their knees by simply messing with data... has anyone seen my tinfoil hat ? I think I need it now.

[juststarting]

To a point, i agree with the above.

Good

However, most people under 25 are going to be completely screwed if and when they find themselves with out access to the net.

Depends what this demographic does for a living. Someone who works online vs, lets say a mechanic. Unless you are talking about socially, in which case - phones work... So I am not sure I agree. Hrmm, maybe I agree 80%

Can't read a map or navigate via terrain..... just one example.

This is no different to before the Internet... Why would someone need to do this if they live and have grown up in the city? Internet has nothing to do with this. If I didn't hunt or camp when I was a kid, I would have no clue either because there is no need. In fact this is an irrelevant statement.

Too many people have been convinced that the net is the answer to everything.

Not sure what you mean.

I see web based solutions to be ANOTHER option. A tool to be used in conjunction with many other tools and skill sets. Being entirely reliant on it just seems very limiting.

"another option" for what? I work entirely with online systems... So for me, there is no 'another option'. Not for work anyway. I am not sure what you mean, because this statement is so broad. I can see where you are coming from and assuming I can 'guesstimate' - I might agree, but at this stage - it's too broad.

[juststarting]

I am an IT incident manager for a corporation and about a month ago we had an issue with the IT service desk tool system and they couldn't log tickets etc. long story but DR failed too.
The service desk lead was in a panic, how was her team going to log tickets.
I picked up my notebook and pencil and gave it to her...
The look on her face was priceless...

And then I tied a brown onion to my belt, because that was the style at the time... What's the point of that story?

[juststarting]

We've got to the point where whole countries can be bought to their knees by simply messing with data... has anyone seen my tinfoil hat ? I think I need it now.

Rewind to 1945
We've got to the point where whole countries can be bought to their knees by simply dropping one bomb... Has anyone seen my fallout bunker? I think I need it now.



Technology evolves and unfortunately so do weapons. I much rather a tinfoil hat than a nuclear bunker.

[on_one_wheel]

It's obvious that you can't see the forest through the trees.

[juststarting]

Going on a tangent here but how is it different to relying on other utilities like gas, electricity, car, fuel for the car... Internet is the same. Progress.

We rely on the convenience of technology far too much these days.
A recent state wide blackout in SA showed us just how ill-prepared the majority of us really are.
It was worrying to see how many people had no way of doing the basic things like cooking, lighting and heating.
Some mid north towns were without power for almost a full week.
Every time I chose to do without a modern convenience / technology my independence grows stronger.

...but this has nothing to do with the Internet, no?

[juststarting]

Alright I think that covers everything

[juststarting]

Perhaps. Explain.

[Gwion]

To a point, i agree with the above.

Good

However, most people under 25 are going to be completely screwed if and when they find themselves with out access to the net.

Depends what this demographic does for a living. Someone who works online vs, lets say a mechanic. Unless you are talking about socially, in which case - phones work... So I am not sure I agree. Hrmm, maybe I agree 80%

Can't read a map or navigate via terrain..... just one example.

This is no different to before the Internet... Why would someone need to do this if they live and have grown up in the city? Internet has nothing to do with this. If I didn't hunt or camp when I was a kid, I would have no clue either because there is no need. In fact this is an irrelevant statement.

Too many people have been convinced that the net is the answer to everything.

Not sure what you mean.

I see web based solutions to be ANOTHER option. A tool to be used in conjunction with many other tools and skill sets. Being entirely reliant on it just seems very limiting.

"another option" for what? I work entirely with online systems... So for me, there is no 'another option'. Not for work anyway. I am not sure what you mean, because this statement is so broad. I can see where you are coming from and assuming I can 'guesstimate' - I might agree, but at this stage - it's too broad.

You're being slightly obtuse. The discussion was about recording load data. There are many other tools and options available besides online solutions.

The number of young people I have to go collect because they don't believe me when I tell them gps and Internet will not help them find my place is quite annoying.

[on_one_wheel]

Going on a tangent here but how is it different to relying on other utilities like gas, electricity, car, fuel for the car... Internet is the same. Progress.

We rely on the convenience of technology far too much these days.
A recent state wide blackout in SA showed us just how ill-prepared the majority of us really are.
It was worrying to see how many people had no way of doing the basic things like cooking, lighting and heating.
Some mid north towns were without power for almost a full week.
Every time I chose to do without a modern convenience / technology my independence grows stronger.

...but this has nothing to do with the Internet, no?

But everything to do with reliance on technology.

Even most shops were closed ... why ? No internet.
... no Internet, no electronic funds transfers, no shops, for some no shops = no food.

[juststarting]

Arghhhh they are all responding at once!

[on_one_wheel]

Arghhhh they are all responding at once!

Perhaps you could fix that with an app ?

Or just use good old fashioned patients?