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St Mary's Shooting Range "Accident".

Post by brett1868 » 26 Apr 2017, 8:08 pm

You will possibly hear in the news of an accident today just after 3pm at the St Mary's range where a body was found. Police have stated that there are no suspicious circumstances. I went out there this evening to shoot only to find the gates closed and customers being turned away at the gates by staff as there had been an "accident" and no further comment was made by staff. I have been told that it was a suicide, though at this early stage it's still conjecture. It appears no staff were injured or involved.
I'm sure this will stir the anti's up and we'll be subjected to yet more scrutiny.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/the-standard/person-found-dead-at-st-marys-shooting-range/news-story/01e58246bc46e87ba0bace0f87006e5b
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Post by bigfellascott » 26 Apr 2017, 9:22 pm

When you see the helpline in these stories it usually means a suicide.
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Post by WatchyShooter » 27 Apr 2017, 8:54 am

The spin we need on this is easy and true, police focus too much time and money into treating ALL firearms owners like criminals that the ones who need help and shouldn't have access to firearms slip through, this is the result of an understaffed and complicated and over all a failure of current firearms acts in place in each state.

There's no way they can say there doing there job effectively when this happens , and the story of illegal firearms is a whole other thing in itself
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Post by Gwion » 27 Apr 2017, 9:54 am

WatchyShooter wrote:The spin we need on this is easy and true, police focus too much time and money into treating ALL firearms owners like criminals that the ones who need help and shouldn't have access to firearms slip through, this is the result of an understaffed and complicated and over all a failure of current firearms acts in place in each state.

There's no way they can say there doing there job effectively when this happens , and the story of illegal firearms is a whole other thing in itself


While it may be true that the vetting system is not perfect, i find it a little unfair in this instance to blame either police or vetting system or firearms. We have no real info about the person or the incident. Why someone would choose to go to the effort of heading to the range to top themselves when they could easily do it in their own home is completely beyond me.

This is less about a better vetting system and more about the importance of putting more time & money into mental health in general. Suicide is rife in Australia and especially in younger to middle aged men. It is largely ignored on all levels of politics. If it was more commonly acceptable for people to reach out for help than trying to 'tough it out' on their own, episodes such as this would be far less common.
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Post by bigfellascott » 27 Apr 2017, 9:59 am

Gwion wrote:
WatchyShooter wrote:The spin we need on this is easy and true, police focus too much time and money into treating ALL firearms owners like criminals that the ones who need help and shouldn't have access to firearms slip through, this is the result of an understaffed and complicated and over all a failure of current firearms acts in place in each state.

There's no way they can say there doing there job effectively when this happens , and the story of illegal firearms is a whole other thing in itself


While it may be true that the vetting system is not perfect, i find it a little unfair in this instance to blame either police or vetting system or firearms. We have no real info about the person or the incident. Why someone would choose to go to the effort of heading to the range to top themselves when they could easily do it in their own home is completely beyond me.

This is less about a better vetting system and more about the importance of putting more time & money into mental health in general. Suicide is rife in Australia and especially in younger to middle aged men. It is largely ignored on all levels of politics. If it was more commonly acceptable for people to reach out for help than trying to 'tough it out' on their own, episodes such as this would be far less common.


Probably didn't have his own firearm so went to the range to hire one perhaps :unknown: Either way not a nice thing to do to those poor people at the range who have to deal with the aftermath of his/her decision.
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Post by Gamerancher » 27 Apr 2017, 10:09 am

Is it reported anywhere that it was firearm related? Could have just had a heart attack?
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Post by Gwion » 27 Apr 2017, 10:10 am

bigfellascott wrote:
Gwion wrote:
WatchyShooter wrote:The spin we need on this is easy and true, police focus too much time and money into treating ALL firearms owners like criminals that the ones who need help and shouldn't have access to firearms slip through, this is the result of an understaffed and complicated and over all a failure of current firearms acts in place in each state.

There's no way they can say there doing there job effectively when this happens , and the story of illegal firearms is a whole other thing in itself


While it may be true that the vetting system is not perfect, i find it a little unfair in this instance to blame either police or vetting system or firearms. We have no real info about the person or the incident. Why someone would choose to go to the effort of heading to the range to top themselves when they could easily do it in their own home is completely beyond me.

This is less about a better vetting system and more about the importance of putting more time & money into mental health in general. Suicide is rife in Australia and especially in younger to middle aged men. It is largely ignored on all levels of politics. If it was more commonly acceptable for people to reach out for help than trying to 'tough it out' on their own, episodes such as this would be far less common.


Probably didn't have his own firearm so went to the range to hire one perhaps :unknown: Either way not a nice thing to do to those poor people at the range who have to deal with the aftermath of his/her decision.


Kind'a my point, Scottie. The person may not have even been through a licencing process so how can you blame the vetting system?

Best to reserve any comment in these situations, i think; beyond how sad it is for the person's family and those who had to discover and deal with the trauma and, of course, for the person whose life got to the point that they found this necessary to do.
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Post by Archie » 27 Apr 2017, 1:21 pm

Gamerancher wrote:Is it reported anywhere that it was firearm related? Could have just had a heart attack?


You wouldn't likely get the police taping off an area if it was just a heart attack victim, nor would they have a lifeline number at the bottom.
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Post by brett1868 » 27 Apr 2017, 1:36 pm

It was a suicide, No staff were injured, Police & Work Cover preliminary investigations show no negligence or wrong doing by either staff or procedural failure. Just a tragic set of circumstances where someone has decided to end their life and unfortunately others have been affected. Range remains closed today but will re-open tomorrow, business as usual.
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Post by scaredyet » 27 Apr 2017, 1:44 pm

Not good at all. Could be anyone, a mate of a shooter, staff
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Post by Gamerancher » 27 Apr 2017, 3:39 pm

Hey Archie, just askin', we are talking about the media here. You know their motto is "Don't let the facts get in the way of a story."
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Post by Archie » 27 Apr 2017, 4:41 pm

Gamerancher wrote:Hey Archie, just askin', we are talking about the media here. You know their motto is "Don't let the facts get in the way of a story."


True enough. Wasn't having a go, just saying odds were that sadly it was a suicide.
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Post by Supaduke » 28 Apr 2017, 9:37 am

This may sound harsh, but the guy that topped himself is a selfish a$$hole. No thought for the people around him that would be badly affected. Plenty of ways to off yourself without leaving such a mess for some poor buggar to clean up.

Not to mention the damage to the businesses reputation.

Everyone has moments of self doubt and the blues, be a man and talk about it to someone. Counselling can be far more beneficial than trying to talk to mates. Mates invariably give you the "you'll be right" line because they are not equipped to deal with these sort of issues. Especially in Australia, home of the blokey bloke who is too tough to have any emotion.

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Post by Title_II » 28 Apr 2017, 5:53 pm

Sad if true :(

Sad either way, actually.
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