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Post by Keith » 22 May 2018, 9:26 am

Does anyone else besides me, see the insanity of voting for a government, that takes our money, (Taxes are theft) to buy guns and give them to men, who will come and take our guns from us? So they can extort even more money and property from us?

“The reason why men enter into society is the preservation of their property.” John Locke
So why do we put up with this system?
We do not have a 2nd Amendment, but we do have A Bill of Rights and our Monarch is Bound by Oath to uphold it.

British Funny Hat Championships keep the plebs happy.
Royal Weddings are just diversions to placate the masses, a fancy hat competition, while it reminds thinkers that the keeper of our “Rights and Privileges” who swears to uphold them in the Coronation Oath is not doing her job. Our Constitutions State and Federal gives the Queen the power to disallow all State and Federal Legislation that contravenes her Coronation Oath to preserve the peoples Rights and Privileges.
Commonwealth Constitution of Australia Act 9th July 1900.
Disallowance by the Queen.
59. The Queen may disallow any law within one year from the Governor-General’s assent, and such disallowance on being made known by the Governor-General by speech or message to each of the Houses of the Parliament, or by Proclamation, shall annul the law from the day when the disallowance is so made known.
The legal obligations surrounding the Coronation Oath are set out in Halsbury’s Laws of England.
“28. The Crown’s duty towards the subject. The essential duties of the Crown towards the subject are now to be found expressed in the terms of the oaths which every monarch is required to take before or at the Coronation. The duties imposed by the coronation oath are:
(1) to govern the peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the dominions etc belonging or pertaining to them according to their respective laws and customs;
(2) to cause law and justice in mercy to be executed in all judgments, to the monarch’s power;
it is declared that ‘whereas the laws of England are the birthright of the people thereof and all the kings and queens who shall ascend the throne of this realm ought to administer the government of the same according to the said laws and all their officers and ministers ought to serve them respectively according to the same…the same are….ratified and confirmed accordingly.”
Bill of Rights s 1; Act of Settlement, Magna Carta of 1215.
The Bill of Rights 1689, first listed the wrongs,
“by causing Protestants to be disarmed at the same time when papists were both armed and employed contrary to law;” then proclaimed the right to address that problem.
“Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;”
Which in effect gave that right to all who were law abiding.
As the Monarch of the day has disallowed parliamentary legislation in the past why did this not occur with the legislation that in effect stole those rights from us all.
It was not that shooters were a minority, at present over 20% of the electorate, it was because we were complacent, we left it to someone else to defend our rights, our placid conservatism silenced our rage. Yes, some of us, not even 1 % walked down the streets of our capitals, and even less wrote a letter of dissatisfaction, then nearly all handed in firearms, some even handed in all they had and walked away. Falsely believing that is would not effect them, so why worry about it.

We lost our property, we lost our pride and we lost the right to defend our families and property. As I knew many years ago that disarmament of the people was not a public safety issue, or mis informed politicians, that it followed and international agenda to suit people who wanted control of all systems of power.
In the 1980s I was called a Conspiracy Theorist,
In the 1990s I was a Fear Monger,
In the 2000s I was an Agitator
In the two thousand teens I am called a prophesier. Like the original Cassandra, I too was cursed to utter prophecies which were true but which no one believed.
A hundred years ago we were free to own property, when land was purchased you owned the land, the sky above it and the soil below it to the centre of the earth. You owned the water that fell on it and the water below it. You owned the timber on it and the gold under it, All property was sacrosanct, inviolable, impregnable, bomb proof, religion defended it and the law guaranteed it. They hanged horse thieves and any sort of property theft was going to deserve a fate sometimes worse than death transportation. You could lawfully kill anyone who was attempting to steal your property.
I can remember 40 years ago thinking, the world has been turned up side, but never really grasped the idea, that free people could fall so far into the cess pit of socialism. I can remember a work mate telling me before long that the government would do anything for money, that before long they would legalise all gambling, they would tax the casino’s, that they would legalise prostitution and run the brothels, that they would legalise the drugs and sell them cheaper than cigarettes. Not quite on the drugs yet but they are handing them out for free. It looks like my mates prophecy will be true, but will we care?
“Whoever owns the soil, holds title all the way up to the heavens and down to the depths of hell”.
Originally, the common law position was that the minerals belonged to the landowner: they were regarded as an inherent product of the land itself. The common law assumed that the person who owned the land owned not only the surface of the earth, but also the space above that surface and the soil below that surface.We are now conquered slaves, but knowing that public safety was Not the reason for the imposition of firearm restrictions made some of us think about the real reason that governments were so desperate to impose their firearm controls.

Look now, See what we have all lost, and yes ‘All of us have lost’, the media tells us that farmers have lost the right to clear vegetation from their own land, so the farmers, like firearm owners, are isolated by the media and the politicians they are the only ones affected, it does not affect you Mr and Mrs Average, but it does, and the loss for one property right affects us all. Not just in the price of food and its production but in the loss of your property rights when its your turn for the government to take what’s yours.
‘No Man is an Island’
No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man’s death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
John Donne 1624 AD.
No one really protested with Peter Spencer who perched himself on a wind-monitoring mast on his Shannon’s Flat property north of Cooma and went on a hunger strike in 2009.

He was an individual who fought for compensation for not being allowed to clear his property under NSW native vegetation laws and accurately warned that this would eventually affect every farmer in Australia. Well he was right.
He told the press that he would not eat or come down until the then Prime Minister Kevin Rudd would admit that the Australian Government owes farmers like him $100 billion for capturing carbon in their vegetation that they have lost the use of due to land clearing bans.
Mr Spencer said the farmers’ case was like the Government coming to a $1 million suburban home in Canberra and taking three quarters of its equity to fund services. That was a warning but the rest of the people did nothing, just got on with making the most out of what they have, until the government steals their property rights. Just the same as they ignored the law abiding firearm owners. Mr Spencer lasted 53 days and had an eviction notice from the government a few days later.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out… without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” H. L. Mencken
Same with water, we ignored the warnings of farmers being licenced to pay for the water in their own Dams, not just water pumped from a creek or river, but water that falls from the sky on their own property. The next attack on property rights came to our attention in July 2017 when a levy was introduced by the Adelaide and Mount Lofty Ranges Natural Resources Management (NRM) Board in the Western Mount Lofty Ranges. (WMLR)
The amount charged for the levy is calculated according to how much water each farmer is allowed to use under their licence, not how much water they actually use. This must be paid on top of having their Dam water licenced.
Wording on the bills says failure to pay for the levy within 90 days may result in debt collectors being sent. Any farmers refusing or unable to pay the levy will be obliged to relinquish their licence. Farmers have 90 days to pay before debt recovery action is initiated

Seventeen independent Fleurieu farmers in the dairy, beef and horticulture industries protested but where were the farmers from the rest of South Australia or the rest of Australia as this sort of cancer spreads quickly.
In South Australia, the state government claims that a person’s roof is the same thing as “land”. Under section 124 of the Natural Resources Management Act 2004, water flowing over land is surface water, and rights to surface water are vested in the state.
National water policy is embodied in the National Water Initiative Agreement. Clause 2 of the Agreement says, “In Australia, water is vested in governments that allow other parties to access and use water for a variety of purposes”. The Federal Government claims that rainwater falling on roofs is vested in governments.
On February 27, 2007, the state government released its “runoff policy” for surface water in surface water prescribed areas. A “water user” capturing rainwater in excess of 500 kilolitres requires a water licence, and then may be eligible to pay a water based levy if that water is used for commercial purposes. The policy applies to rainwater tanks, on the presumption that water collected from roofs for rainwater tanks in South Australia is “surface water”.

“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be ashortage of sand.” Milton Friedman
Same too with the mineral rights under the ground, this was the property of the owner and of special interest to me as beneath Gympie is a huge bed of Coal that goes up the coast as far as Bundaberg with that coal is a huge deposit of Shale Oil and Gas, when diesel fuel is reaching $1.50 a litre and I know that I’m sitting on deposit of fuel that is worth more than any lottery win in the world, I know its 450 metres below the surface but I want to drill down and use that oil and gas to run my vehicle and alleviate my electricity bills. As it is now, the State and Federal Governments make billions more out of the increased taxation percentage from the higher prices. The longer the people’s resources stay in the ground, un utilised the higher the prices go. Fuel Diesel and petrol have been manufactured from Coal since the beginning of the 20 century and in the 1940s Coal was supplying 91 % of Germany’s engine fuel. The process of making Diesel from Coal was first developed when Rudolph Diesel was pioneering the Diesel engine. Standard Oil (Rockefeller’s) sold the process of manufacturing petrol to IG Farben in the 1930s. It is just a different refining process and we have vast amounts of coal to use and ultimately that resource belongs to the individuals that own the land that above it.

Originally, the common law position was that the minerals belonged to the landowner: they were regarded as an inherent product of the land itself. The common law assumed that the person who owned the land owned not only the surface of the earth, but also the space above that surface and the soil below that surface.
Your property used to be your Castle.
Australians rightly perceived their homes as their Castle, and this was represented in the movie The Castle, as the Kerrigan family fought attempts by the government to resume their land in order to expand the airport. This view of a man’s land as his castle harks back to the origins of Common Law and it was acknowledged by the 17th Century Jurist Lord Coke who pronounced that ‘Everyone is to him as his Castle and Fortress’.. In doing so, the landowner essentially enjoys a right to exclude any person from entering his land. This common law position a landowner’s right to control those who enter his land over land has been altered by statute in all jurisdictions in Australia, granting the Crown the right to reserve ownership and control over petroleum (including Coal Seam Gas) and minerals. The case Plenty v Dillon confirmed in law that a landholder has a right to exclude others from entering their land as a trespasser. This case involved a successful action for trespass brought by a landowner against two police officers who entered premises without consent. The High Court of Australia concluded the landowner did not grant an implied consent to the police offers to enter the premises, and therefore held that the police officers were trespassing.

Under common law, landowners owned sub-surface minerals and could prevent anyone from excavating them; as doing so would constitute a trespass. The only qualification was the right of the Crown to extract gold and silver, characterised by the common law as “Royal Minerals”.
Most landowners in Australia presume that they have absolute ownership over their land, and therefore the right to refuse others from coming onto their land. Given the common law position regarding rights over land, and the concept of trespass to land that was reinforced by Plenty v Dillon, landholders mistakenly presume that they have the right to exclude petroleum companies from entering their land. This common law position was, however, significantly limited when specific State legislation vested the ownership of minerals contained within the soil of private landholdings in the Crown.
In Victoria, the Mines Resource (Sustainable Development) Act 1990 (Vic) states that the Crown owns all minerals (with a few small exemptions). Similar provisions exist in other states.
This statutory vesting means private landowners no longer control the minerals in their sub-surface soil, even though they continue to own the land itself. As owner of the minerals, the Crown is legally entitled to grant exploratory or mining licences to mining companies, allowing companies to explore for or extract sub-surface minerals. The effect of this process upon private landholdings is often devastating.
This legislation is known as a Crown reservation in respect of minerals and petroleum. Queensland – Crown rights over Coal Seam Gas under the land In Queensland, this reservation is outlined in section 27 of the Petroleum and Gas (Production and Gas) 2004 (Qld) (PGPGA), which notes that a Crown grant is taken to contain a reservation to the state of all petroleum on or below the surface, and the exclusive right to undertake petroleum activities of to authorize others to undertake petroleum activities. Furthermore, section 26 of the PGPGA states that petroleum is the property of the State, and a person does not acquire any property in relation to the property irrespective of whether the property is freehold or leasehold. Therefore, under the concept of Crown reservation, the Crown in Queensland owns all of the petroleum under the land, and has the right to take the petroleum or grant a title to another in order to explore for and/or produce petroleum, including coal seam, or shale gas. This means that under the system of law in Australia, the Queensland government can allow separate interests to be held over a single property. This concept, known as fragmentation of property rights, means that the land can be owned by a farmer as a freehold interest, yet entitle a petroleum company to hold a title that allows it to enter the property to search for and produce gas. Australia is not the United States The position in the United States regarding minerals ownership and Crown reservation differs to the Australia. In the US, the development of onshore gas resources operates under a system of private ownership of resources, known as the law of capture. Under the US system of land tenure, a landowner has absolute ownership over his land (known as allodial title). This includes ownership over all of the resources (including petroleum) that lie under the land he owns. In the USA since the landowner owns all of the resources under his land, he has the right to accept or refuse offers from a company to develop these onshore gas resources.

Can see from the above that firearm ownership is tied to freedom, and the ownership of property. If the Americans ignore their Rights under the Second Amendment as we have in Australia and Britain they could expect to lose all remaining Rights as we have.
Can we see that our American cousins are Free and we are Slaves?
Do we have a government that sees us as property?
Are we just ‘Tax Produces’ who barely own the breath in our lungs?
Remember my opening questions,
“Does anyone else besides me, see the insanity of voting for a government, that takes our money, (Taxes are theft) to buy guns and give them to men, who will come and take our guns from us? So they can extort even more money and property from us?
We need an Oliver Cromwell not to remove the system that has served free people for hundreds of years, but an Oliver that could make a Monarch follow their Coronation Oath, and sacking a tyrannical parliament with the words.
“Mr. Speaker. May I have your permission to address this assembly? By all means, sir. My lords, honourable members… …I have always desired, above my life, a free Parliament… …sitting by the authority of the good people of this nation. A Parliament open and visible, to be seen by all men. Instead of uniting the good people of this nation… …with righteousness and peace… …which would have been a glorious and Christian thing to have done… …what do I find? Anarchy, corruption… …division and dissatisfaction. I say that the enemies of this nation… …have flourished under your protection. You were from the beginning a provisional government… …not truly representative of the people. For have the people elected you? Has this House gone once to the people it purports to represent? No, it has not! And after six years of misgovernment, what do we find? Sir Thomas Fairfax moves a bill to give this House a further lease… …of its worthless and dishonourable life! Gentlemen, an immovable Parliament is more obnoxious… …than an immovable king! You are drunkards, tricksters, villains, whoremasters… …godless, self-seeking, ambitious tricksters. You are no more capable of conducting the nation’s affairs… …than you are of running a brothel! You are scum, sir. And not truly elected scum at that. This is no Parliament. I shall put an end to it. I hereby declare this Parliament dissolved! – Colonel Harrison! – Yes, sir. Troops forward! (Speech from the movie Cromwell)
Oliver we need another Oliver.
With yet another school shooting in the USA we will be assaulted by the anti gun and anti freedom paparazzi we will have to feed the chickens, yet again with truth. These links will assist.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical ... erica.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical ... erica.html
Don’t forget to mention where Gun Control Australia, Get Back and the Open Society and the friends of the ABC and SBS get their funds from. Its foreign intervention of the politics of our country, this socialistic support that has worked away like white ants, deviously destroying the wishes and aspirations of the Australian people. This link concerns Florida but his money via his foundation organisations syphon money from the International Mega Corporation through to Unions and the Australian Labor Party and the Greens. The Genesis for these international agenda are the big banks and oil companies that rule the world. They want to ensure that resources stay in the ground, they want us all on the world wage, they want no country boundaries. They want us poor and defenceless so that they can exploit what was once our resources without any interruptions.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05 ... orida.html

Minutemen volunteers facing off British soldiers who had orders to disarm them, on Lexington Common, Massachusetts, in the first battle in the War of Independence, 19th April 1775. Original artist William Barnes Wollen.
After the above event Patrick Henry made a statement that has resounded though the centuries.
“They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.” “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
There is no Spring without Winter, without Mistakes there is no Learning. There is no Life without Death, without Doubts there is no Faith. There is no Peace without War, without Fear there is no Courage. For without Mistakes, Doubts and Fears there are no pathways to Wisdom.
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Post by Supaduke » 22 May 2018, 2:11 pm

Put the bong down...
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 22 May 2018, 3:13 pm

Supaduke wrote:Put the bong down...


HAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Post by Gaznazdiak » 22 May 2018, 3:40 pm

"(Taxes are theft) to buy guns and give them to men, who will come and take our guns from us"
And build roads.
And hospitals.
And schools.
And the system you used to post the above.
And ALL the other infrastructure without which civilised life is impossible.

My honest sympathies Keith, it must be truly stressful going through life so wary and afraid.
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Post by brett1868 » 22 May 2018, 4:03 pm

If you actually read the subject it was merely a sharing of someone else's thoughts rather then Keith's own. Some interesting points in the article and some hmmm...statements. Maybe he's not the only one on the Goondiwindi Gorilla Grass :lol: :friends:
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Post by Daddybang » 22 May 2018, 4:22 pm

brett1868 wrote:If you actually read the subject it was merely a sharing of someone else's thoughts rather then Keith's own. Some interesting points in the article and some hmmm...statements. Maybe he's not the only one on the Goondiwindi Gorilla Grass :lol: :friends:


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Post by Gaznazdiak » 22 May 2018, 4:41 pm

brett1868 wrote:If you actually read the subject it was merely a sharing of someone else's thoughts rather then Keith's own. Some interesting points in the article and some hmmm...statements. Maybe he's not the only one on the Goondiwindi Gorilla Grass :lol: :friends:


I did read it Brett, and combined with Keith's previous rather "out there" assertion that the Port Arthur shootings were a government conspiracy where the police gave Bryant the surrendered AR-15 for the express purpose of allowing him to do what he did as an excuse to change the gun laws, made my conclusion that he would only be posting it because he shares the underlying sentiment. That being that any government is going to be intrinsically evil with nothing but malice for their own public..

Some interesting points, true, it's the conclusions drawn from those points that seem somewhat of a worry.
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Post by bigrich » 22 May 2018, 6:18 pm

there are some strong arguments in all that on the way our rights have been eroded. you DID ONCE HAVE RIGHTS TO MINERALS AND WATER ON YOUR LAND. no more. look at what commrade palace-chook has done to queensland farmers to keep the greens happy. traiterous scum is putting it mildly. labor party is a communist party. we know what's best for you, do as your told :evil: :evil: :thumbsdown:
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Post by Gwion » 23 May 2018, 7:29 am

bigrich wrote:there are some strong arguments in all that on the way our rights have been eroded. you DID ONCE HAVE RIGHTS TO MINERALS AND WATER ON YOUR LAND. no more. look at what commrade palace-chook has done to queensland farmers to keep the greens happy. traiterous scum is putting it mildly. labor party is a communist party. we know what's best for you, do as your told :evil: :evil: :thumbsdown:


Many laws are only laws because they have not been challenged. Our constution states that any law can be passed as legislation but that law must be repealed if it is found to be contrary to the constitution and that which the constitution is built upon (magnicarta, etc.).

If you think a law is unjust and contrary to the constitution, you need to raise an action to challenge it.

Simple... in theory...

However, i did get to Kieth's "all taxes are theft" idea and just switched of, thinking, oh christ... here we go again...

As much as i disagree with what various governments do with our tax money, I'd love to know what sort of squallid debarcle of a country you would have if no taxes were paid by anyone. No one likes paying taxes but truth is they are vitally necessary. We just need fewer d**kheads in charge of who pays the most and what the taxes are allocated to!
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Post by Daddybang » 23 May 2018, 7:49 am

Would be interesting to know how many times legislation/laws have been challenged and how many have been successful?? :unknown: :drinks:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 23 May 2018, 9:47 am

bigrich wrote:there are some strong arguments in all that on the way our rights have been eroded. you DID ONCE HAVE RIGHTS TO MINERALS AND WATER ON YOUR LAND. no more. look at what commrade palace-chook has done to queensland farmers to keep the greens happy. traiterous scum is putting it mildly. labor party is a communist party. we know what's best for you, do as your told :evil: :evil: :thumbsdown:


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Post by bigrich » 23 May 2018, 4:27 pm

taxes are a nessecity , gives me the sh!ts how many lazy scum want to rort welfare in this country. as a taxpayer i would like to confront some of the characters i've met and ask for my bloody money back ! the other problem is all the red blooded aussie blokes i know who complain about what's wrong with the country. the problem is most of them aren't enrolled to vote, and wont get of the couch to do something about it. when the hoon laws were up for debate in queensland, i put in a submission to the reveiw board about the unconstitutional loss of civil rights ( mine was the eighth submission out of fifty ), and went and saw my local elected member with representatives from car clubs in my area. nazi campbell newman put the laws through anyway, then disolved the committee so they couldn't be questioned about it in parliment. didn't win this battle, but i made the effort. numbers and people power are the only things pollies understand. national union protests stopped "work choices". all firearm groups need to unite as a voting block like the nra to effect any change. sadly, too many ego's and sellout's at the top
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Post by Heckler303 » 23 May 2018, 6:41 pm

Strange as it seems but I fully agree with Ronnie on this one. Call government taxation a necessity all you want, (especially if you love watching bogans spend your money and cigs and beers) but I'm still gonna call it theft. It's money the government takes to pay for its own ends while giving you bugger all back. None of us probably enjoy the endless left-wing anti-gun garbage produced by both the ABC and the SBS, yet that's exactly where your tax money is going. Same thing goes for some of the horrendous roads, especially across Tasmania. Same thing also goes towards this NBN rollout which has been nothing but a major pain in the butt due to the poor judgement our supposedly 'conservative' liberal government. (Don't support either majority party anymore, only LDP and SFFP).

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Post by Daddybang » 23 May 2018, 6:51 pm

bigrich wrote:nazi campbell newman put the laws through anyway, then disolved the committee so they couldn't be questioned about it in parliment. didn't win this battle, but i made the effort. numbers and people power are the only things pollies understand. national union protests stopped "work choices". all firearm groups need to unite as a voting block like the nra to effect any change. sadly, too many ego's and sellout's at the top


This is one of the biggest problems in qld... no upper house to provide oversight of the government of the day so anytime there's a majority gov they can push through any bs legislation they want. As for Newman he effed things up so badly we have to suffer through(barring a miracle) two terms of palaschmuck and her mob of f##kwits!!!! :thumbsdown: :drinks:
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Post by Oldbloke » 23 May 2018, 7:16 pm

If your not happy with our system you could:

Live in a cave in the bush. OR
Change your vote. OR
Move over seas. OR
Have a revolution.

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Post by Daddybang » 23 May 2018, 7:47 pm

Oldbloke wrote:If your not happy with our system you could:

Live in a cave in the bush. OR
Change your vote. OR
Move over seas. OR
Have a revolution.

Simple.


The missus won't let me live in a cave
My vote doesn't seem to make any difference
I don't have the money to live overseas. ...

Really only leaves one option!!!! :lol: :lol: :drinks:
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Post by Oldbloke » 23 May 2018, 8:21 pm

Daddybang wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:If your not happy with our system you could:

Live in a cave in the bush. OR
Change your vote. OR
Move over seas. OR
Have a revolution.

Simple.


The missus won't let me live in a cave
My vote doesn't seem to make any difference
I don't have the money to live overseas. ...

Really only leaves one option!!!! :lol: :lol: :drinks:



There is one on every forum. You gotta laugh. Ill pay that. :lol: :lol:
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Post by bigrich » 23 May 2018, 8:21 pm

Oldbloke wrote:If your not happy with our system you could:

Live in a cave in the bush. OR
Change your vote. OR
Move over seas. OR
Have a revolution.

Simple.


wonder if the NRA would sponsor me as a migrant ....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:
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Post by Heckler303 » 23 May 2018, 9:32 pm

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There's a certain way of writing....WHICH I TRY NOT TO DO...

IT involves making lots of dots...THEN SCREAMING THE POINT

most of these thoughts are provoked by nothing else...BUT CONCENTRATED ALCOHOL





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Post by brett1868 » 23 May 2018, 11:31 pm

bentaz wrote:I vote we move overseas and have a revolution in a cave in the bush!


I'll join you brother :thumbsup:
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Post by Daddybang » 24 May 2018, 6:30 am

brett1868 wrote:
bentaz wrote:I vote we move overseas and have a revolution in a cave in the bush!


I'll join you brother :thumbsup:


A revolt in the bush is better than a revolting bush!! :) :drinks:
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Post by Rod_outbak » 24 May 2018, 6:55 am

About 14 years ago, I was driving down the road (hesitate to call it a highway) towards Mundubbera (QLD), and heading South(down through Gympie, to Brisbane).

I was in our old Landcruiser ute, which tended to run out of puff on any of the hills, so ended doing some time behind various cars.

About 80kms North of Mundubbera, I came up behind an army landrover; all painted up in camo, and decked out with all the appropriate army accessories. As it was slightly faster than me on the hills, I ended up following the vehicle for some kms.
I just assumed I'd run into the tail end of an army convoy, so resigned myself to a slow trip until they stopped somewhere..
After a while, my brain started to notice odd things about the army vehicle. It didnt have quite the right roof shape, and the gear on the back was a bit dated for current army issue.
Then, it hit me; That wasnt an army Landrover.
It was an old HJ40(45??) series SWB wagon; decked out in modern army paint scheme.
Throgh the rear windows, you could see there was also camo webbing over the cargo area behind the seats.
The effort taken to make this car look like something it never was, was kinda weird.
I eventually got a section of road where I could overtake.
As I came up beside the driver, I'm pretty sure it was Mr Owen, and he was glaring at me like I'd just raped his best pet cat..
[I'm guessing he was suspicious I'd been following him for 20 minutes so far...]
He's also decked out in army camo, complete with camo cap.
No idea where he was coming from (burying a fresh corpse?), but I coaxed as much power as I could from the old Landcruiser, and made sure I didnt see him again.

Kinda struck me as freaking weird.

I've read a little of his diatribe, and as other people have mentioned, there is a mish-mash of solid points, mixed in with some very questionable stuff.
One thing that I'd point out, is that I dont think the automatic ownership of any minerals under the soil, was ever the case in Australia. He quotes that at one point, that you owned everything to the core of the earth, but I dont think Mother England ever allowed this in Australia.
Yes; rights of freehold landholders has been eroded badly in the past 30 years alone, but I doubt the ownership of anything under the earth has ever defaulted to the landholder.
[Basing that on having read a lot of newspaper articles on the settlement of this area (CW QLD), and discussions of land ownership and rights was a common theme in the 1880's.]
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Post by Daddybang » 24 May 2018, 7:19 am

If I've remembered correctly prior to the mid 1800's mineral rights were granted to the landholders excepting gold and silver(the royal metals)
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 May 2018, 10:45 am

bentaz wrote:I vote we move overseas and have a revolution in a cave in the bush!


Clearly there are some smart, bored people out there. :lol:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 24 May 2018, 11:55 am

Rod_outbak wrote:About 14 years ago, I was driving down the road (hesitate to call it a highway) towards Mundubbera (QLD), and heading South(down through Gympie, to Brisbane).

I was in our old Landcruiser ute, which tended to run out of puff on any of the hills, so ended doing some time behind various cars.

About 80kms North of Mundubbera, I came up behind an army landrover; all painted up in camo, and decked out with all the appropriate army accessories. As it was slightly faster than me on the hills, I ended up following the vehicle for some kms.
I just assumed I'd run into the tail end of an army convoy, so resigned myself to a slow trip until they stopped somewhere..
After a while, my brain started to notice odd things about the army vehicle. It didnt have quite the right roof shape, and the gear on the back was a bit dated for current army issue.
Then, it hit me; That wasnt an army Landrover.
It was an old HJ40(45??) series SWB wagon; decked out in modern army paint scheme.
Throgh the rear windows, you could see there was also camo webbing over the cargo area behind the seats.
The effort taken to make this car look like something it never was, was kinda weird.
I eventually got a section of road where I could overtake.
As I came up beside the driver, I'm pretty sure it was Mr Owen, and he was glaring at me like I'd just raped his best pet cat..
[I'm guessing he was suspicious I'd been following him for 20 minutes so far...]
He's also decked out in army camo, complete with camo cap.
No idea where he was coming from (burying a fresh corpse?), but I coaxed as much power as I could from the old Landcruiser, and made sure I didnt see him again.

Kinda struck me as freaking weird.

I've read a little of his diatribe, and as other people have mentioned, there is a mish-mash of solid points, mixed in with some very questionable stuff.
One thing that I'd point out, is that I dont think the automatic ownership of any minerals under the soil, was ever the case in Australia. He quotes that at one point, that you owned everything to the core of the earth, but I dont think Mother England ever allowed this in Australia.
Yes; rights of freehold landholders has been eroded badly in the past 30 years alone, but I doubt the ownership of anything under the earth has ever defaulted to the landholder.
[Basing that on having read a lot of newspaper articles on the settlement of this area (CW QLD), and discussions of land ownership and rights was a common theme in the 1880's.]


Yep.
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