WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[Fionn]

I hope everyone in WA joins a collector society and gets a collector licence at least. It would be a way to stick it to the commie government to see a thousand percent increase in licences as you can have unlimited firearms on such licence.

Yeh but you can't "use em"

Seems the reason some posters here and a number of licenced firearms owners own firearms is to overthrow Nazi government's, Dictators and just in case there is a zombie apocalypse.

Oh and to get off on the power of owning a firearm, can't forget that one

If you have a genuine reason to own a firearm, these law changes aren't all that restrictive as a whole.

[bladeracer]

I hope everyone in WA joins a collector society and gets a collector licence at least. It would be a way to stick it to the commie government to see a thousand percent increase in licences as you can have unlimited firearms on such licence.

You can never actually fire a firearm held on a collectors licence in WA though, can't even possess ammo for them.

[Faedy]

I hope everyone in WA joins a collector society and gets a collector licence at least. It would be a way to stick it to the commie government to see a thousand percent increase in licences as you can have unlimited firearms on such licence.

Yeh but you can't "use em"

Seems the reason some posters here and a number of licenced firearms owners own firearms is to overthrow Nazi government's, Dictators and just in case there is a zombie apocalypse.

Oh and to get off on the power of owning a firearm, can't forget that one

If you have a genuine reason to own a firearm, these law changes aren't all that restrictive as a whole.

bulls**t. They are absolutely crap.
You have no proper understanding.
Riddle me.this Einstein.
Currently if you have a rifle licenced for rec hunting you can use any lic firearm on any size rural property as long as the projectile does not leave the property
The DBCA insist you use a .223 or larger to cull roos...
Cops say you need 1000 acres to get a .223 licence so once the new bulls**t gets rushed through, no one on under 1000 acres can cull their roos.
You clown

[Fionn]

I hope everyone in WA joins a collector society and gets a collector licence at least. It would be a way to stick it to the commie government to see a thousand percent increase in licences as you can have unlimited firearms on such licence.

Yeh but you can't "use em"

Seems the reason some posters here and a number of licenced firearms owners own firearms is to overthrow Nazi government's, Dictators and just in case there is a zombie apocalypse.

Oh and to get off on the power of owning a firearm, can't forget that one

If you have a genuine reason to own a firearm, these law changes aren't all that restrictive as a whole.

bulls**t. They are absolutely crap.
You have no proper understanding.
Riddle me.this Einstein.
Currently if you have a rifle licenced for rec hunting you can use any lic firearm on any size rural property as long as the projectile does not leave the property
The DBCA insist you use a .223 or larger to cull roos...
Cops say you need 1000 acres to get a .223 licence so once the new bulls**t gets rushed through, no one on under 1000 acres can cull their roos.
You clown

First off, as you seem to missed it, I have nothing to do with changing the laws.

Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

[bladeracer]

Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

Equally, there has been no mention of removing the current requirement though.

[Faedy]

Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

Equally, there has been no mention of removing the current requirement though.

Plus they are discussing checking each property for suitability...
It's all leftist crap

[Fionn]

Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

Equally, there has been no mention of removing the current requirement though.

Well given we are talking about changes to the law and current requirement isn't law, what is your point exactly?

[Fionn]

Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

Equally, there has been no mention of removing the current requirement though.

Plus they are discussing checking each property for suitability...
It's all leftist crap

While an administrative burden, sounds like they are thinking about taking the genuine need seriously. So needing a 308 to hunt rabbits on 5 acres may not pass the muster on a genuine need.

[womble]

It might if you can demonstrate to the attending officers that you can’t shoot accurately and rely on the 308 scaring the rabbits of your property.

Or it might not. It might fail the attitude test. It might even see you carted away in a divvy van. Really depends just how far your demonstration escalates.

[1886]

.......Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

Umm that's because it's always been a WAPOL BS "policy" and it still counts. It's WAPOL's method to make their own laws outside of the LAWS.

[Fionn]

.......Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

Umm that's because it's always been a WAPOL BS "policy" and it still counts. It's WAPOL's method to make their own laws outside of the LAWS.

Policy is how they apply the law, doesn't mean its the law or its correct. Note that your picture says guide only in the land size requirements.

Has anyone been refused due to this when is reasonable they should have been granted a permit and challenged the decision at SAT? What was the outcome?

Also they may get rid of the policy if the law changes pass.

[1886]

Policy is how they apply the law, doesn't mean its the law or its correct. Note that your picture says guide only in the land size requirements.

Has anyone been refused due to this when is reasonable they should have been granted a permit and challenged the decision at SAT? What was the outcome?

Also they may get rid of the policy if the law changes pass.

Trust me Govt's "Policy" as such has been tested in the courts at least in WA and it was defeated. Not in relation to a firearms application but a way more important and costly issue against the Govt itself for not adhering to its own policy, thus "Govt policy" is deemed to be de facto law in the eyes of the court even when the Govt itself circumvents it either intentionally or unintentionally.

[animalpest]

Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

Actually, while it doesn't stipulate what those requirements will be specifically, but it does include that property size, location and capabilities of the firearm will be considered.

To quote -
Accordingly, the proposed legislation will include considerations such as:
• the size and location of the land (including proximity of shooting areas to public roads and populated areas);
• the nature of the shooting likely to take place on the land;
• the suitability of the firearm for the shooting purpose on that land;
• the capabilities of the firearm;

[Fionn]

Second, there is nothing in the new laws about size of property need for certain firearms.

Actually, while it doesn't stipulate what those requirements will be specifically, but it does include that property size, location and capabilities of the firearm will be considered.

To quote -
Accordingly, the proposed legislation will include considerations such as:
• the size and location of the land (including proximity of shooting areas to public roads and populated areas);
• the nature of the shooting likely to take place on the land;
• the suitability of the firearm for the shooting purpose on that land;
• the capabilities of the firearm;

That was my point, considered as part of genuine need, not purely size of the property. Hence why I said

So needing a 308 to hunt rabbits on 5 acres may not pass the muster on a genuine need.

[Bazz]

Well it's D Day so to speak over here. Submissions close for feedback today, the petition which had over 12,600 signatures is now returning an error page not found message within the last hour:

https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Parlia ... ns/23-0038?

Looks like they were not going to extend the consultation period anyway. Stay tuned for more positive news.......

Edit - My bad, as it closed it appears the petition moved to a different address

[Oldbloke]

Not many would have bothered. It was obvious the so called "consulation" that was offered was fake.

[1886]

Exactly

Word is that the various bodies consultation supposed to have taken place with were all absolutely blindside by the now proposed firearm limits along with some property proposals and are not happy there was zero mention at any meetings.

Typical Labor Government interprets consultation as just a word. Might only be scuttlebutt but it has also been suggested that the East is watching as to how this transpires !!!!!

[Oldbloke]

Exactly

Word is that the various bodies consultation supposed to have taken place with were all absolutely blindside by the now proposed firearm limits along with some property proposals and are not happy there was zero mention at any meetings.

Typical Labor Government interprets consultation as just a word. Might only be scuttlebutt but it has also been suggested that the East is watching as to how this transpires !!!!!

Yes, certainly a worry.

[Dess787]

It seems the last month there has been a gun/shooting story in the WA news almost every day. This would have just lead to a heap of Joe and Jill High and Mighty sending through heaps of ''no one should have a gun" feedback submissions more than drowning out the considered submissions from the firearms community.

[womble]

It seems the last month there has been a gun/shooting story in the WA news almost every day. This would have just lead to a heap of Joe and Jill High and Mighty sending through heaps of ''no one should have a gun" feedback submissions more than drowning out the considered submissions from the firearms community.

They’d like that to happen, hence why all the media to enrage the masses. But it doesn’t. Most people don’t give a s**t.
It’s just a small highly organised and well connected lobby group that are very dedicated and put in the work.

[Oldbloke]

In a state where petitions rarely come close to exceeding four figures, 12,673 of WA’s residents signed this one, which calls on Papalia to allow more time for feedback on the proposed gun laws.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/hug ... gun%20laws

[Dess787]

You know, the mental health requirements. Yes there is no doubt there are troubled individuals who should not own firearms and unfortunately many have made news this year.

Mental health is a slippery slope, full of ignorance and fear.

But these new laws will prevent people from seeking help because of the worry of having anything on record.

I know i would never now even consider going on 'stress leave' at work. I have never done so before but it it sad that i now feel i never could.

This aspect of the laws and the ability for Cops to bully someone out of their guns based on their beliefs are the most worrying aspects for the reforms for me.

[Boundry Rider]

Someone needs to clean up this thread, 60% of it is a blatant waste of electricity

[geoff]

Someone needs to clean up this thread, 60% of it is a blatant waste of electricity

Only 60? You might be underquoting it

[niteowl]

Someone needs to clean up this thread, 60% of it is a blatant waste of electricity

Only 60? You might be underquoting it

[mickb]

You know, the mental health requirements. Yes there is no doubt there are troubled individuals who should not own firearms and unfortunately many have made news this year.

Mental health is a slippery slope, full of ignorance and fear.

But these new laws will prevent people from seeking help because of the worry of having anything on record.

I know i would never now even consider going on 'stress leave' at work. I have never done so before but it it sad that i now feel i never could.

This aspect of the laws and the ability for Cops to bully someone out of their guns based on their beliefs are the most worrying aspects for the reforms for me.

Pre-crime is a very slippery slope we are on now. I know a bloke who works on the mine with me, went in for a sleep apnea test at his wifes request for his snoring and lost his HR licence. The GP said he wakes up 60 times a night and isnt fit to drive trucks any more. This bloke couldnt even use his normal licence until it is sorted, had to get planed into work 3 days late this roster, Im talking literally this last week. Now he is fighting for his job and trying to get a second opinion from specialists. He has a perfect driving record for the record, crew supervisor, heavy and light stuff on mines for over 15 years.

Fellas lets be honest, the covid thing had people in two camps, one called the other dumb, the other group called the other crazy. One thing we can agree on is some weird crap is going down now. Kids able to have sex changes, little kids being taught at school how to mast*urbate, blokes with boobs dominating various female sports, bestiality laws in some countries being relaxed. mean seriously lol

There are laws changing every day now across the 1st world countries regards privacy, surveilance, security, pre-emptive crime the average bloke isnt even aware of because he is too busy watching funny cat videos on his smartphone.

Why this sudden overhaul of our way of life, did covid effect politicians brains?

[alexjones]

^^^ In regards to medical privacy that's my biggest hate with socialised medicine and Medicare is that everything is recorded and can be used against you. I opted out of that my heath nonsense(If that even makes a difference) and use private clinics were Medicare card is not required and pay 100% out of pocket for some of my medical requirements.

I have the currency, a company has the stuff I require and we make an agreed upon exchange. That is how business works it should not involve the government at all.

[mickb]

If you went back in time, just to 2013 or so and tried to convince people that within ten years little kids would be encouraged to get the chop, UK schools would be giving 8 year olds lessons on how to pleasure themslves, kids can choose to be dogs and bark at the teacher, and muscle bound drag queens were dominating womens sport, you would be locked up as a crazy conspiracy guy. Now just pointing this out makes you the crazy conspiracy guy.

[Oldbloke]

Sounds like Papalia isnt happy ATM.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/pap ... ead%20More

[Dess787]

Pre-crime is a very slippery slope we are on now. I know a bloke who works on the mine with me, went in for a sleep apnea test at his wifes request for his snoring and lost his HR licence. The GP said he wakes up 60 times a night and isnt fit to drive trucks any more. This bloke couldnt even use his normal licence until it is sorted, had to get planed into work 3 days late this roster, Im talking literally this last week. Now he is fighting for his job and trying to get a second opinion from specialists. He has a perfect driving record for the record, crew supervisor, heavy and light stuff on mines for over 15 years.

This is very sad to hear. It is indicative of a "cover my ass" culture nowadays in companies and senior positions and it is the everyday workers paying the price.