WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[mchughcb]

I said it a long time ago. Shooters need to march on parliament.

Mate. Trust me we want to, but we also are smart.enouhh to pre empt this dodgy Govt to have stooges there in front of the cameras making us look like deranged nut jobs.
We can't risk this.

Risked nothing but got shafted any ways.

[Faedy]

Double post sorry

[Faedy]

Really
If you can't see that we would get made to look like crazy people you are a fool.
We will win this the safe way.
Have you seen the cracks appearing?
SAT have even jumped in now.
You do you
We will do this the correct way

[mchughcb]

Really
If you can't see that we would get made to look like crazy people you are a fool.
We will win this the safe way.
Have you seen the cracks appearing?
SAT have even jumped in now.
You do you
We will do this the correct way

I lived in WA for 30 years and was a firearm owner for 14 of them including losing my semi-autos during Howard buyback.
Crazy people like Ron Bryant? I didn't think he did a service at all for WA.
It was people like Leo Laden that took on the WAPOL.

[Wapiti]

I said it a long time ago. Shooters need to march on parliament.

Mate. Trust me we want to, but we also are smart.enouhh to pre empt this dodgy Govt to have stooges there in front of the cameras making us look like deranged nut jobs.
We can't risk this.

Then sorry, get ready to bend over. Courage and actual attendance in force is necessary.
We'll see at the end, what will work.
Hopefully not more tippers full of guns, the tools of the free people.

[Oldbloke]

Well, another kick in the head for LAFOs in W.A.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/gun-law/ ... ead%20More

[Wapiti]

Doesn't look like the "soft and polite" strategy is working, eh.
Other states take note.

[Faedy]

Doesn't look like the "soft and polite" strategy is working, eh.
Other states take note.

Not sure what your reading,,but even the Libs have now realised our votes are important so the have agreed to send the Legislation to Parliamentary Review....
Softly softly is working, and we aren't being accused of being gun crazed idiots.

[1886]

Well, another kick in the head for LAFOs in W.A.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/gun-law/ ... ead%20More

Mate, I stand corrected but I call BS on this in its relationship to basic LFAO's. I've no idea who Politics Reloaded are other than being Melbourne based but would perhaps ask them to do some fact checking.

For instance, this so called LFAO's chart has columns with each relating to the various firearm categories and each also having an occupied and non occupied column with all relating to the 3 columns headed as being; up to 5, 6-15, 16 plus.

Whereas surely someone had a brain and would have realised that under the proposed new Act LFAO's will only be allowed to have a maximum of up to 5 firearms if you are only a hunter, or up to 10 if you only do club shooting or a combination of both but with a maximum of 5 for hunting, eg 5h/5c, 3h/7c, 1h/9c etc.

General LFAO's CANNOT have more than TEN so this documents requirements showing, eg 6-16, more than 16 etc would be total BS in relation to basic LFAO's.

IMHO the fact that apparently WAPOL have been visiting dealers makes me think that this charts requirements will be in relation to dealer safe requirements and not what they sell etc. There are also many small dealers in suburbs who may have very basic safes and perhaps zero alarms etc etc. Thus those firearm numbers would more likely equate to dealers.

But either way the numbers quoted do not relate to what LFAO's will be permitted to have so Politics Reloaded need to fact check their info and further advise as what they have published is bordering on being untrue and totally ridiculous.

https://politicsreloaded.com/wp-content ... ements.jpg

https://politicsreloaded.com/2024/12/08 ... uirements/

[alexjones]

Well, another kick in the head for LAFOs in W.A.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/gun-law/ ... ead%20More

Mate, I stand corrected but I call BS on this in its relationship to basic LFAO's. I've no idea who Politics Reloaded are other than being Melbourne based but would perhaps ask them to do some fact checking.

For instance, this so called LFAO's chart has columns with each relating to the various firearm categories and each also having an occupied and non occupied column with all relating to the 3 columns headed as being; up to 5, 6-15, 16 plus.

Whereas surely someone had a brain and would have realised that under the proposed new Act LFAO's will only be allowed to have a maximum of up to 5 firearms if you are only a hunter, or up to 10 if you only do club shooting or a combination of both but with a maximum of 5 for hunting, eg 5h/5c, 3h/7c, 1h/9c etc.

General LFAO's CANNOT have more than TEN so this documents requirements showing, eg 6-16, more than 16 etc would be total BS in relation to basic LFAO's.

IMHO the fact that apparently WAPOL have been visiting dealers makes me think that this charts requirements will be in relation to dealer safe requirements and not what they sell etc. There are also many small dealers in suburbs who may have very basic safes and perhaps zero alarms etc etc. Thus those firearm numbers would more likely equate to dealers.

But either way the numbers quoted do not relate to what LFAO's will be permitted to have so Politics Reloaded need to fact check their info and further advise as what they have published is bordering on being untrue and totally ridiculous.

https://politicsreloaded.com/wp-content ... ements.jpg

https://politicsreloaded.com/2024/12/08 ... uirements/

Collector licenses are a general LAFO. They are not hard to obtain. Those columns for more than 10 would be for them.

It looks like pistol shooters will be most impacted by the new change.

Politics Reloaded is old mate Neal who was the bloke who started the NSC which is now defunct.

[animalpest]

"Collector licenses are a general LAFO. They are not hard to obtain."

Actually collector licenses are different than hunting licenses and you need to be a member of a collector's association.

[1886]

Collector licenses are a general LAFO. They are not hard to obtain. Those columns for more than 10 would be for them.

It looks like pistol shooters will be most impacted by the new change.

Politics Reloaded is old mate Neal who was the bloke who started the NSC which is now defunct.

Maybe so but I seriously doubt it.

WAPOL indicate there are approx 90.000 LFAO's in WA, There are no stats on collectors licences but I would suggest they are a very minimal number of the overall 90,000.

It would thus seem very odd to make the first listing 0-6 and 6-16 when 0-5 and 0-10 would be more meaningful and be in direct relationship to the proposed act numbers for LFAO's.

It also wouldn't make sense to perhaps be penalising other LFAO's with stricter conditions that maybe applicable to collectors etc. I guess time will tell.

Ring your ol mate Neal and ask him how and where did he got this info and question its validity for general LFAO's.

[alexjones]

"Collector licenses are a general LAFO. They are not hard to obtain."

Actually collector licenses are different than hunting licenses and you need to be a member of a collector's association.

Joining a collector club is the samething as joining any other sporting or hunting gun club. Pay the fee and fill in the membership form.

[alexjones]

Collector licenses are a general LAFO. They are not hard to obtain. Those columns for more than 10 would be for them.

It looks like pistol shooters will be most impacted by the new change.

Politics Reloaded is old mate Neal who was the bloke who started the NSC which is now defunct.

Maybe so but I seriously doubt it.

WAPOL indicate there are approx 90.000 LFAO's in WA, There are no stats on collectors licences but I would suggest they are a very minimal number of the overall 90,000.

It would thus seem very odd to make the first listing 0-6 and 6-16 when 0-5 and 0-10 would be more meaningful and be in direct relationship to the proposed act numbers for LFAO's.

It also wouldn't make sense to perhaps be penalising other LFAO's with stricter conditions that maybe applicable to collectors etc. I guess time will tell.

Ring your ol mate Neal and ask him how and where did he got this info and question its validity for general LFAO's.

I have no idea why they would pick these numbers. However knowing how stupid the police like to make things I would believe these numbers.

[bladeracer]

I haven't checked if this is true yet, but it certainly sounds likely.

[jezzab]

In the 2024 Act it seems that's for commercial warehousing and commercial transport

https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legis ... _48140.pdf

Also seems you cant have a bazooka, rail gun or a Templeton T2000...

[bladeracer]

In the 2024 Act it seems that's for commercial warehousing and commercial transport

https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legis ... _48140.pdf

Thanks, that sounds more realistic.

[alexjones]

There seems to be so many rumours going around about these new laws but nothing is law as of yet?

[bladeracer]

There seems to be so many rumours going around about these new laws but nothing is law as of yet?

March it becomes law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdT9B8aK5M

[animalpest]

That bloke needs a get real pill. The regulations will come into force and nothing can be done about it.

I am still trying to get my head around the regs regarding strong rooms which will be a requirement for those with more than 5 firearms or Cat C.

[jezzab]

I thought it was just the new Level 1 safe spec (3mm sides, 6mm door) vs strong room and motion sensor with siren and remote alerting? But you would be grandfathered in?

https://www.wa.gov.au/media/97381/download?inline

[Oldbloke]

That bloke needs a get real pill. The regulations will come into force and nothing can be done about it.

I am still trying to get my head around the regs regarding strong rooms which will be a requirement for those with more than 5 firearms or Cat C.

Inclined to agree. The governor gave it the tick.

But I did read somewhere that the LNP has a move up their sleeve. Parliament investigation or some such??

[Faedy]

Nationals Shane Love is going to file a motion of disallowance first day Parliament resumes

[alexjones]

That bloke needs a get real pill. The regulations will come into force and nothing can be done about it.

I am still trying to get my head around the regs regarding strong rooms which will be a requirement for those with more than 5 firearms or Cat C.

Inclined to agree. The governor gave it the tick.

But I did read somewhere that the LNP has a move up their sleeve. Parliament investigation or some such??

You sparked my interest mate and with some online looking I found that; Queensland 1987 and Tasmania 1989 was the last time any state governor did not do what the state premier wanted. Whilst not that long ago I am sure we all remember that was a better time in our respective states and commonwealth.

The role now is essentially a rubber stamp to do what the premier wants when the governors actual role is to represent the monarch and to act as a safe guard against abuse of power AKA tyranny.

[Oldbloke]

Yes, the reality is that both federal and state governor's just rubber stamp legislation.

Always has been.

[animalpest]

I thought it was just the new Level 1 safe spec (3mm sides, 6mm door) vs strong room and motion sensor with siren and remote alerting? But you would be grandfathered in?

https://www.wa.gov.au/media/97381/download?inline

A maximum of 5 firearms you get a grandfather clause, unless you have Cat E, H, and D. Those require new safekeeping.

As I have more than 5 then the requirement for stronger safe, strongroom, CCTV and alarm apply.

[1886]

Well it seems the charts safe requirements and numbers etc are now gospel although there has been some changes. The new regulations have now been published online along with this info. So my $2800 top quality safe is now supposedly obsolete in WAPOL's eyes. https://www.wa.gov.au/media/97381/download?inline

[animalpest]

Well it seems the charts safe requirements and numbers etc are now gospel although there has been some changes. The new regulations have now been published online along with this info. So my $2800 top quality safe is now supposedly obsolete in WAPOL's eyes. https://www.wa.gov.au/media/97381/download?inline

Have same issue but with multiple safes

[alexjones]

They can't out right ban all guns but buy making it so expensive most common people won't jump the hoops.

[Oldbloke]

Any WA shooter that continues should stop all feral shooting. Just shoot paper.
In 3 years, between the greens, farmers and scientists the government will be paying to take rifles and all the ammo you want, plus free fuel.