Firearms portal property registering

[Toadstool]

I just received the paperwork in the mail to start this process. Once I've registered my property it shows up in the properties tab, status 'Submitted'. The 'Written Authority Limit' is 0, so i can't proceed following the instructions they sent me.

I'm guessing I have to wait for them to review this before they change the written authority limit right? The directions gloss over this and makes it sound like its instant. So for anyone else whos done it, how long did this take?

I also gotta do that storage statement. Since im only cat A firearms in an occupied building with a previously approved storage, I choose the "Or Grandfathered Storage approved under Firearms Act 1973" for 'Cabinet level' right?

I'm crossing my fingers I get approved. My situation is I bought a couple of shotguns and an air rifle using my own property, But then I wanted a 22lr, so bought that using a property letter for god knows where ( typical story of the person at the gun store selling the letter ). Reason being I only have a 16 acre property so it was really unknown if it would have been accepted.

Anyway, i'm hoping with this new system they take time to assess a property and not just rely on size. (couple of neighbours left and right, but a large commercial sheep farm infront of me).

[animalpest]

I am having enough trouble just registering my property!

[Faedy]

I have made them do my property manually for me
They created the mess they can do the work for me.
I transitioned my rec hunt licence to a Pro Shooter.
Was easiest way to keep my 23 rifles.

[Wapiti]

Sorry to read how landowners down there have to ask some city police whether your property can have firearms registered as needed on it, and if others are allowed to use them there too.

Someone here said once, Australia has gone to sh*t, and got caned for it. It really has, and the masses of plebs clustered along the coastal zones made it so when they went to vote. And now you guys, who try and get away from all this BS, are nailed still by those you chose to escape.

[Bugman]

I would really like to know which "advisors" in the WA government put all this crap together. Names addresses etc, then sit back and watch them take all this crap.

[animalpest]

I have made them do my property manually for me
They created the mess they can do the work for me.
I transitioned my rec hunt licence to a Pro Shooter.
Was easiest way to keep my 23 rifles.

So the "transition to a Pro Shooter" is a Business Licence under the new laws?

[geoff]

I have made them do my property manually for me
They created the mess they can do the work for me.
I transitioned my rec hunt licence to a Pro Shooter.
Was easiest way to keep my 23 rifles.

So the "transition to a Pro Shooter" is a Business Licence under the new laws?

I presume so. This is what a lot of us casual weekend warrior harvesters are doing with centrefires. At some point in time plenty of people are going to get a please explain trying to justify commercial activity under that banner. Presumably on their next renewal

Not sure how you get a business plan that includes 23 approved overnight without already having a business licence tbh that sounds pretty far fetched.

[bigrich]

just read a news article from the abc on what a total c@ck up WA's new laws are for LFAO's . i'd post a link , but i'm a dummy when it comes to this computer stuff

makes for a good read and is supportive of gun owners . abc's been back to reporting the truth a little lately . quite surprising . although i think a previous government culled a lot of lefty's out of the abc

[animalpest]

I have made them do my property manually for me
They created the mess they can do the work for me.
I transitioned my rec hunt licence to a Pro Shooter.
Was easiest way to keep my 23 rifles.

So the "transition to a Pro Shooter" is a Business Licence under the new laws?

I presume so. This is what a lot of us casual weekend warrior harvesters are doing with centrefires. At some point in time plenty of people are going to get a please explain trying to justify commercial activity under that banner. Presumably on their next renewal

Not sure how you get a business plan that includes 23 approved overnight without already having a business licence tbh that sounds pretty far fetched.

My understanding, talking to the police officer in charge of the transition to the new laws, was that 90+% of current Corporate Licences would go due to not being a real necessity and won't pass when doing a business plan

[geoff]

I have made them do my property manually for me
They created the mess they can do the work for me.
I transitioned my rec hunt licence to a Pro Shooter.
Was easiest way to keep my 23 rifles.

So the "transition to a Pro Shooter" is a Business Licence under the new laws?

I presume so. This is what a lot of us casual weekend warrior harvesters are doing with centrefires. At some point in time plenty of people are going to get a please explain trying to justify commercial activity under that banner. Presumably on their next renewal

Not sure how you get a business plan that includes 23 approved overnight without already having a business licence tbh that sounds pretty far fetched.

My understanding, talking to the police officer in charge of the transition to the new laws, was that 90+% of current Corporate Licences would go due to not being a real necessity and won't pass when doing a business plan

The cynic in me might suggest that at present they are probably stretched so thin that they may not have the resources to adequately vet all of these transitions from recreational to business licence, approving anything vaguely legitimate at a cursory glance to go and fry some bigger fish elsewhere. I'm sure that upon renewal these newly minted business licences will be scrutinized much harder.

I'm not worried about that myself, my books are open to any enquiries, but there are many who should be.

[Faedy]

My business has been involved in pest control for nearly 20yrs, and was all done under recreational hunt licence as we had no problems back then.
My business plan was substantial and there are 2 other family members that are authorised users.
Plus we have a farm
Plus I'm a member of the local rifle club
I have 2 or 3 of every calibre from .177 air rifle up to .300winmag.
One of each is equipped with telescopic sight, and one has thermal or night vision.
Then there are my shotguns and lever guns.
Drop past and I'm happy to show you.

I have made them do my property manually for me
They created the mess they can do the work for me.
I transitioned my rec hunt licence to a Pro Shooter.
Was easiest way to keep my 23 rifles.

So the "transition to a Pro Shooter" is a Business Licence under the new laws?

I presume so. This is what a lot of us casual weekend warrior harvesters are doing with centrefires. At some point in time plenty of people are going to get a please explain trying to justify commercial activity under that banner. Presumably on their next renewal

Not sure how you get a business plan that includes 23 approved overnight without already having a business licence tbh that sounds pretty far fetched.

[Toadstool]

Well so far so good! My property got 'Approved' today with a written authority limit of 5.

I initially thought I had to issue an authority to myself, but upon reading it says the property owner doesn't have to.. makes sense lol.

My license status is still 'On Hold', so i'm guessing it's all waiting on the 'storage statement' info i had to send via email?

I ended up selecting the 'grandfathered safe' box option as I think I am meant to. I bought my safe from Bunnings some time ago and now see that it wouldn't even be compliant for the new system. They need to update their website, at least for WA, as they still list it as "Compliant with both category A and B firearm regulations". Unless I'm totally misunderstanding the new requirements.

Edit:

This is probably just a coincidence... But we had a drone fly around our property yesterday about midday. We thought it was really odd as theres never been one here before. Our neighbours are really old and not 'techy' at all so couldn't imagine them with it. I just thought it was probably someone from in town playing with their new toy. Could this be police or contractors checking land for the new system? Wouldn't make much sense as they could just use google maps though.... But maybe in cases of properties borderline qualifying or not they check?

Meh, like I said probably just a coincidence

[Wapiti]

Whatever happened to farmers letting on anyone suitably licensed?
Why can't they avoid all this nonsense and just carry on as normal without some shiny-arse dictating terma?

[Wapiti]

Whatever happened to farmers letting on anyone suitably licensed?
Why can't they avoid all this nonsense and just carry on as normal without some shiny-arse dictating terms?

[alexjones]

In WA you can't just join shooters union or SSAA as your genuine reason to own guns and be able to shoot on any private property. You need to have a farmers property letter. They use to have like unlimited amount of property letters per farm now they are limiting the amount each farm can have.

In WA each individual gun is its own licence.

[Wapiti]

The mind boggles. WhyTF did they let that happen? Bugger me.
Actually, if I was in WA I would be buggered.

[Oldbloke]

The mind boggles. WhyTF did they let that happen? Bugger me.

Actually, if I was in WA I would be buggered.

Most would.

[bladeracer]

Whatever happened to farmers letting on anyone suitably licensed?
Why can't they avoid all this nonsense and just carry on as normal without some shiny-arse dictating terma?

That used to be the case in WA, but you still needed a letter for a large property to be able to own firearms, even if you only wanted to use them on your own small property. Once you used that letter to own them you were then free to shoot on any property that allowed you to, including properties a whole lot smaller than the one you required for licencing your firearm.

Under the new laws it is now entirely up to Police who you are allowed to allow to shoot on your property, and if somebody is allowed to shoot on your property (by the Police) they can't shoot on any other property unless Police also allow them to do so. And the property owners are now restricted to just a handful of people allowed to shoot on their property. If you as a property owner give permission to the five people the Police will allow to shoot on your property, and they can each only come once a year, then most of the year you are stuck with dealing with the feral animals yourself, or forced to employ professionals. And I would not be surprised if it's not a requirement that you have evidence of how many times you have attended a property you are permitted to shoot on, and if it's only a couple times a year they'll probably revoke your permission as not legitimately required.

[animalpest]

That appears to be the case Blade.
Perhaps if you are restricted to just 5 shooters to have approval, and you have ongoing problems with ferals, you may want have at least one of them commit to coming more than once per year!
You can revoke their approval and select another who can help more often.

[Wapiti]

Thanks for the excellent info, BR.
That is a dystopian crime in my eyes, one bettering the worst movies and books that try and warn of our future from being apathetic.

So technically, firearms aren't really banned, and farmers can still use firearms on their properties to undertake stock and feral management, yet:

Uninvolved, unknowledgeable public servants, drunk with power and personal bed-wetting conditions (as bullies given uniforms are) have been given carte-blanche to dictate who, how many, and maybe even how often, businesspeople can manage their businesses?

This makes me sick. Every one of the people victimising the farmers, and the public who can help them, are just irrelevant life forms.
How f**king dare they?

They sit in jobs where they make up their own fantasies to achieve, do not EVER set out to achieve a crime-free, safe Australia as they are tasked to. They are NEVER held to any performance measures of achievement like the rest of us have to in real business or life.

This isn't a shot at coppers on the beat who signed up to better their communities. My wife was one, and best mates of mine still are, but all have either left or are in the process of finding areal career, one where they don't report to narcissistic superiors interested only in ladder climbing.

The horse has bolted. Shut the gate and stare at the empty yards.
Maybe the rest of you who have belittled or accused certain organisations for trying to inform you where these monsters are trying to tighten the noose in other states can see past their naivety. And start to support those who do not accept this to be a precedent for other decent people.

[animalpest]

The interesting thing is when you register your property you list what animals are on there. Wonder how they are going to check?

[Toadstool]

The interesting thing is when you register your property you list what animals are on there. Wonder how they are going to check?

This part kinda threw me. I wasn't exactly sure if they were asking what I wanna shoot, or what was actually there. There were some animals listed I didn't even know you were allowed to shoot...memory sucks, but i think it was some native birds or something.

I figured I'd answer the question literally as it said something like 'what of these animals are on your property', so just ticked everything i have seen there.

[geoff]

Well so far so good! My property got 'Approved' today with a written authority limit of 5.

I initially thought I had to issue an authority to myself, but upon reading it says the property owner doesn't have to.. makes sense lol.

My license status is still 'On Hold', so i'm guessing it's all waiting on the 'storage statement' info i had to send via email?

I ended up selecting the 'grandfathered safe' box option as I think I am meant to. I bought my safe from Bunnings some time ago and now see that it wouldn't even be compliant for the new system. They need to update their website, at least for WA, as they still list it as "Compliant with both category A and B firearm regulations". Unless I'm totally misunderstanding the new requirements.

Edit:

This is probably just a coincidence... But we had a drone fly around our property yesterday about midday. We thought it was really odd as theres never been one here before. Our neighbours are really old and not 'techy' at all so couldn't imagine them with it. I just thought it was probably someone from in town playing with their new toy. Could this be police or contractors checking land for the new system? Wouldn't make much sense as they could just use google maps though.... But maybe in cases of properties borderline qualifying or not they check?

Meh, like I said probably just a coincidence

If you have 5 or fewer firearms and none of them are handguns then yes, your storage will be grandfathered until such times as you purchase another gun and that licence additional application will "trigger" the requirement to upgrade

Don't listen to me tho - read the information available on the security and storage document here:

https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/west ... ion-sheets

For 99% of shooters the information here answers most questions. It's all really dumb and nonsensical and isn't going to improve anything. But it is there.