shooting meeting.

[safeshot]

Hi folks,
Good God i am sorry i even mentioned the matter.
But thanks to those who didnt come at me with a cross and nails.Some of the caustic comments made here must be a delight for the anti-s to read.
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The rally to be held in Perth I am reliably informed will be a family friendly affair with known MP's speaking. It is not a protest march.
I wish them all well. No I am not attending as I am along way away and driving so far is not an option.

When the state election (March) is done and dusted we shall see the results of the mental powers of the firearm owners in WA.
regards,

Carpe Noctum..

[Wapiti]

I just hope for the day where nobody cares what others think of them (non-shooting public), everyone gets out and sticks together when it's needed, and you will all see the positive results.

The only reason any WA shooters can't attend is if they're in a walking frame or in hospital. Or forever hold off on complaining about your lot.
Nothing personal. but it's no wonder you probably will be throwing your guns into a crusher.

And as for threads deteriorating or people being real nasty, it's not lost on others not involved in the abuse either. Just ignore it if you don't like it and be entertained. Maybe steer it back on track with a question re. the OP by adding your own positive or helpful input.
Just don't let it turn into some other big shooting forum, where 10 or so rabid 24hr posters compete for the highest branch of the chimp's tree. All opinions and contributions are welcome, even alternative opinions. People will work out which one is right for them I'm sure and get something out of it..

[geoff]

I just hope for the day where nobody cares what others think of them (non-shooting public), everyone gets out and sticks together when it's needed, and you will all see the positive results.

The only reason any WA shooters can't attend is if they're in a walking frame or in hospital. Or forever hold off on complaining about your lot.
Nothing personal. but it's no wonder you probably will be throwing your guns into a crusher.

And as for threads deteriorating or people being real nasty, it's not lost on others not involved in the abuse either. Just ignore it if you don't like it and be entertained. Maybe steer it back on track with a question re. the OP by adding your own positive or helpful input.
Just don't let it turn into some other big shooting forum, where 10 or so rabid 24hr posters compete for the highest branch of the chimp's tree. All opinions and contributions are welcome, even alternative opinions. People will work out which one is right for them I'm sure and get something out of it..

I'm just not sure I agree on that in our current media climate. There is no scenario where, even if we all sit down and make tea over some cupcakes, it's reported on favourably.

When the organisers can't even get our peak bodies on board, to the point where they advise people not to go, you just know they don't play nice.

[Wapiti]

Yes I get your sentiment entirely mate.

But you've already seen that on-line polls do nothing. Trying to talk sense to politicians does nothing, you MUST have realised that by now.
The political alternative is paying you all lip service, you MUST have realised that.

But that is exactly what sort of climate that those who want to scare you off are after! They want you to be afraid of being painted as rednecks if some of the supposed rent-a-crowd thugs (which is all bullsh*t and just an excuse) show up and hijack your meeting.

Who cares?
Is that (slight) risk more important to everyone than losing your firearms? Because if you don't all show up, you will.
To be paid an insulting pittance for high quality treasured possessions?
For some despicable political human scum, to overnight on some date (April 1, they're punching you all in the face with this pathetic joke), turn what you were legally and morally "allowed" to do and own, into shredded metal?
Blow more guns up in the desert to frighten you all with how scary and tough they are?

The politicians we see trying to get this through, on the forceful push of corrupt backstabbing senior police who got to the top by bullying and backstabbing decent WA people, most likely WILL win because of people making excuses not to push back, and are only scared of only one thing, being voted out on their arses.
Because in the real world, in real jobs, they will either be eaten alive or thrown out into the street.

I'm not trying to be a prick about this or put anyone down. But if EVERYBODY that could get off their arses, stop looking for reasons to roll over and all get in one place at the same time and say, NO, things WOULD dramatically change. Why? Because past history in Australia tells them that nobody will stand up to them, and suddenly if everyone affected did, brown smelly liquid would run down into their shoes.
They CANNOT arrest 100,000 law-abiding, decent, taxpaying, contributing-to-society people, at a peaceful lawful protest. And if they did pick on a few to try and scare you, you would triple your voting power at the election... a helluva lot of non-shooters are still sore about the criminal Covid lockups, cost-of-living reaming and are looking for leadership and others who also HATE LABOR.

I take the time to try and gee you lot up, and look like an idiot in the process, because all through history when people actually stood up, they triumphed.

[alexjones]

Yes I agree with the above.

The most important thing in any WA shooters life should be to protect their individual freedoms and to get their guns back. That's it. Freedom comes above all else because without freedom you are leaving nothing to the next generation. Nothing to your kin. Nothing to your future bloodline.

So in my eyes any person from WA who does not go and show the government how much they hate tyranny then you are in my eyes a coward or some kind a communist sympathiser.

[alexjones]

I just hope for the day where nobody cares what others think of them (non-shooting public), everyone gets out and sticks together when it's needed, and you will all see the positive results.

The only reason any WA shooters can't attend is if they're in a walking frame or in hospital. Or forever hold off on complaining about your lot.
Nothing personal. but it's no wonder you probably will be throwing your guns into a crusher.

And as for threads deteriorating or people being real nasty, it's not lost on others not involved in the abuse either. Just ignore it if you don't like it and be entertained. Maybe steer it back on track with a question re. the OP by adding your own positive or helpful input.
Just don't let it turn into some other big shooting forum, where 10 or so rabid 24hr posters compete for the highest branch of the chimp's tree. All opinions and contributions are welcome, even alternative opinions. People will work out which one is right for them I'm sure and get something out of it..

I'm just not sure I agree on that in our current media climate. There is no scenario where, even if we all sit down and make tea over some cupcakes, it's reported on favourably.

When the organisers can't even get our peak bodies on board, to the point where they advise people not to go, you just know they don't play nice.

Mate to hell with any so called 'peak body'. The peak body should be the will of the people and the will of the crowd.

And where has playing nice got anybody?

[bigrich]

Yes I agree with the above.

The most important thing in any WA shooters life should be to protect their individual freedoms and to get their guns back. That's it. Freedom comes above all else because without freedom you are leaving nothing to the next generation. Nothing to your kin. Nothing to your future bloodline.

So in my eyes any person from WA who does not go and show the government how much they hate tyranny then you are in my eyes a coward or some kind a communist sympathiser.

Geez mate, that last line is a bit harsh. You’re right that everyone needs to get active and take a stand though. Some other posters are right about this forum slipping in respect , understanding and unity. You’re entitled to your views and people can ignore such remarks, but this is a public forum and you don’t know who could be reading it. Just saying….

[alexjones]

Yes I agree with the above.

The most important thing in any WA shooters life should be to protect their individual freedoms and to get their guns back. That's it. Freedom comes above all else because without freedom you are leaving nothing to the next generation. Nothing to your kin. Nothing to your future bloodline.

So in my eyes any person from WA who does not go and show the government how much they hate tyranny then you are in my eyes a coward or some kind a communist sympathiser.

Geez mate, that last line is a bit harsh. You’re right that everyone needs to get active and take a stand though. Some other posters are right about this forum slipping in respect , understanding and unity. You’re entitled to your views and people can ignore such remarks, but this is a public forum and you don’t know who could be reading it. Just saying….

Mate I just can not think of a single reason besides serious health troubles that leave one immobile or severe financial troubles leaving one destitute as to why a WA resident would not attend? Occam's razor is is a theory that in the absence of evidence the easiest/simplest reason is the correct answer.

So the obvious answer is they support the governments decision or are afraid. Which my wording may sound harsh but life is full of harsh truths.

I am aware this is a public forum. I do not promote ilegal activity. This is a legal demonstration of peoples disdain towards tyranny.

[geoff]

Yes I agree with the above.

The most important thing in any WA shooters life should be to protect their individual freedoms and to get their guns back. That's it. Freedom comes above all else because without freedom you are leaving nothing to the next generation. Nothing to your kin. Nothing to your future bloodline.

So in my eyes any person from WA who does not go and show the government how much they hate tyranny then you are in my eyes a coward or some kind a communist sympathiser.

Totally rational and normal. Yet when I call out this nonsense, I'm the uncouth bad guy?

Give me a break there, Senator McCarthy

[alexjones]

Yes I agree with the above.

The most important thing in any WA shooters life should be to protect their individual freedoms and to get their guns back. That's it. Freedom comes above all else because without freedom you are leaving nothing to the next generation. Nothing to your kin. Nothing to your future bloodline.

So in my eyes any person from WA who does not go and show the government how much they hate tyranny then you are in my eyes a coward or some kind a communist sympathiser.

Totally rational and normal. Yet when I call out this nonsense, I'm the uncouth bad guy?

Give me a break there, Senator McCarthy

Yes, in the absence of evidence it is totally rational and normal to conclude the simplest explanation. Which in this case would be that anybody in WA who does not attend either supports the incoming laws or is lazy or afraid.

What other reason is there for a WA gun owner to not attend? Are they a religious Jew who can't leave the house on a Saturday? Are they on their death bed or are they that cash strapped that they can't make their way to Perth?

Attending this rally should be the number one priority for any WA gun owner and their family.

[geoff]

Trying to have a mature conversation about politics is impossible if all you resort to is that people who disagree with you are cOmMuNiSt SyMpAtHiSeRs

Just a complete absence of the depth and breadth of empathy that perhaps attending an event which is no doubt heavily surveilled by the regulator and getting yourself on a watchlist by association if anything untoward pops off is just a non starter for a huge chunk of the population.

Or just wilfully ignoring the fact that both major government-forming parties are fully supportive of these reforms. The Nats are banging their drum but don't stand a hope in hell of having the clout to pull off any major change. The liberals are ecstatic that Labor are doing the "dirty work" for them - they might not say it loudly, but I have no doubt that they are quite happy to reduce the number of firearms licencees themselves. They started all this nonsense in the 90s, never forget that.

Electoralism isn't going to save you. No elected member is sufficiently motivated to see past the next election cycle and frankly "Gun nut candidate bending over to lobby group to repeal gun laws and weaken public safety" is a headline that writes itself and destroys anyones career. It's a rubbish headline. But it would work flawlessly.

Y'all are still in the denial stage of grief.

[bigrich]

Trying to have a mature conversation about politics is impossible if all you resort to is that people who disagree with you are cOmMuNiSt SyMpAtHiSeRs

Just a complete absence of the depth and breadth of empathy that perhaps attending an event which is no doubt heavily surveilled by the regulator and getting yourself on a watchlist by association if anything untoward pops off is just a non starter for a huge chunk of the population.

Or just wilfully ignoring the fact that both major government-forming parties are fully supportive of these reforms. The Nats are banging their drum but don't stand a hope in hell of having the clout to pull off any major change. The liberals are ecstatic that Labor are doing the "dirty work" for them - they might not say it loudly, but I have no doubt that they are quite happy to reduce the number of firearms licencees themselves. They started all this nonsense in the 90s, never forget that.

Electoralism isn't going to save you. No elected member is sufficiently motivated to see past the next election cycle and frankly "Gun nut candidate bending over to lobby group to repeal gun laws and weaken public safety" is a headline that writes itself and destroys anyones career. It's a rubbish headline. But it would work flawlessly.

Y'all are still in the denial stage of grief.

your right about some of the name calling that goes on over difference of opinion with regards to the pollies, i try to be a optimist . i do what i can when i can politically, and everyday talking to workmates and such . i'm hunting and shooting as much as possible , and hopeful for the future .the reality is one day right now will be the "good old days".
motoring clubs and groups in QLD got vocal when vehicle confiscation "hoon laws" were introduced , i was a part of that and local pollies and cops changed their tune when faced with backlash from members of the public . it's much greater uphill battle trying to change views on firearms however, they've been demonised by pollies and the media for a long time . hopefully the rally changes the publics perceptions . unfortunately it'd only take a small number of radicals in the rally to derail all the good will and fuel negative media stories . interesting times ahead.....

[geoff]

I get what you're saying about hoon laws but as you also said, it's a completely different kettle of fish with firearms legislation

The reality is that nobody cares and nobody, public or parliamentary, is coming to save you.

[bigrich]

I get what you're saying about hoon laws but as you also said, it's a completely different kettle of fish with firearms legislation

The reality is that nobody cares and nobody, public or parliamentary, is coming to save you.

Well, you might as well sell all yours now mate. Don’t muck around, just get rid of them. We’re doomed apparently. I’ll keep doing what I can politically and hunting and shooting as much as possible. Optimism is a happier state of mind to be in than pessimism. With the amount of feral animals on the east coast I can’t see firearms disappearing anytime soon. Laws may get harder, but being a multiple gun club member competing in competition that validates my ownership, or letters from property owners validating my pest culling help may make a difference. I’m not going to give my guns up easily

[geoff]

I'm not giving up my hobby until it's taken off me. Reforms to the legislative council in WA make it next to mathematically impossible for the Nats to have a meaningful presence in the upper house. This is just basic stats - they are not a metropolitan party and will not attract many votes in the cities.

I am a committee member at my local club, bringing new members into the club and taking people shooting who've never held a firearm in their life more often than I ever have. I'm just going and doing the thing instead of whinging about it en masse.

All of this is far more constructive than wasting my time going to a rally that will just get used against us.

[alexjones]

Mate I know we all have opinions, I get it. I am a free speech absolutist. People can say what they like.

However my mind can not physically fathom your defeatism. I just can’t comprehend the logic.

[bigrich]

Mate I know we all have opinions, I get it. I am a free speech absolutist. People can say what they like.

However my mind can not physically fathom your defeatism. I just can’t comprehend the logic.

i'm inclined to agree AJ . personal choice and all , but i'd attend if it were me and stand and be counted . that old saying about evil me triumph when good men fail to act . just saying ......

[animalpest]

The costs of complying with having to buy new safes, strong rooms, security etc can make a lot of gun owners think twice.

It's going to cost a packet for some

[bigrich]

The costs of complying with having to buy new safes, strong rooms, security etc can make a lot of gun owners think twice.

It's going to cost a packet for some

that's definitely government strategy , use cost and rules to make firearms owners give up . if the government hypothetically got rid of recreational shooters , i wonder what sort of impact it would have on the feral animal problem in this country ? the one thing that seems to get overlooked by animal rights/greens types is the number of ferals culled by DPI . i was talking to a chopper shooter who works for the dpi shooting and training, as well as having his own business . the numbers he was talking about were impressive to me . i wonder if vegans realise how many animals are culled of crops so they can live guilt free

i don't think politicians realise there's more depth to hunting/culling for land management than they realise . is DPI or CSIRO data available to back up recreational hunters , not to mention hunters spending on food, fuel and accommodation when heading bush .

no wait , it's easier to scare the public that the streets are awash with guns for political point scoring

[alexjones]

Tomorrow 1030 WA time the rally starts!!!

[mchughcb]

Make sure you wear your aborigine pride shirt so if the police see you they will run a mile less they be accused of homosexual racism.

[geoff]

Make sure you wear your aborigine pride shirt so if the police see you they will run a mile less they be accused of homosexual racism.

That's definitely the tenor of conversation we want to be associated with! Thanks for proving my point.

[mchughcb]

Make sure you wear your aborigine pride shirt so if the police see you they will run a mile less they be accused of homosexual racism.

That's definitely the tenor of conversation we want to be associated with! Thanks for proving my point.

Well it will just confuse the cops as you play victim buzzword bingo. Aborigine, LBGTQ2+ gun owner.

[alexjones]

You would think these gays, transexual, feminists, free Palestine and aboriginal activists etc would be proponents of self defence and firearm ownership.

They are always saying how they are threatened, oppressed and harassed etc. Ok then, well start supporting self defence laws if you feel this way. The answer to the problems you cry about is strong self defence laws. Being your own first responder instead of a victim.

I would be the biggest gay, transexual feminist sympathiser if they were openly pushing for self defence.

[mchughcb]

Well how did it go. Did you all wear the face masks so you didn't spread covid?

[alexjones]

It was pitiful. Only around 2000 people went. Thats like 2% of WA gun owners.

So my earlier comment of WA gun owners supporting the law, being lazy cowards or being communist sympathisers seems to be correct.

A lousy 2000 people is nothing. I worked in the Pilbara for many years and WA really is a hell hole of a state. I don't see what could of been a higher priority for people who love guns in WA than to attend this protest.

[on_one_wheel]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

[alexjones]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

No I haven't considered that. As a gun owner nothing is more important to me.

In 2022 I left my grandfathers death bed, quit my job and drove from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny with over 300k people.

So I do not consider any excuse for why people could not go because like that Metallica song goes, “nothing else matters”.

[mchughcb]

Should have made an aboriginal pride much then pulled a switcheroo and pulled the placards out. 2000 isn't much for Melbourne but its a lot for Perth.

[bigrich]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

No I haven't considered that. As a gun owner nothing is more important to me.

In 2022 I left my grandfathers death bed, quit my job and drove from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny with over 300k people.

So I do not consider any excuse for why people could not go because like that Metallica song goes, “nothing else matters”.

your a really judgemental person pal , there's probably a lot of reasons why a lot people didn't attend . not everybody is in a position to quit their job and drive halfway across the country to protest like you did either . i reckon a lot of people wouldn't have attended because of concerns about "radical" elements, . would've been good to see 20,000 at least . sad state of affairs , kudo's to the 2000 who did show up