shooting meeting.

[Oldbloke]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

No I haven't considered that. As a gun owner nothing is more important to me.

In 2022 I left my grandfathers death bed, quit my job and drove from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny with over 300k people.

So I do not consider any excuse for why people could not go because like that Metallica song goes, “nothing else matters”.

your a really judgemental person pal , there's probably a lot of reasons why a lot people didn't attend . not everybody is in a position to quit their job and drive halfway across the country to protest like you did either . i reckon a lot of people wouldn't have attended because of concerns about "radical" elements, . would've been good to see 20,000 at least . sad state of affairs , kudo's to the 2000 who did show up

Here, here.

[alexjones]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

No I haven't considered that. As a gun owner nothing is more important to me.

In 2022 I left my grandfathers death bed, quit my job and drove from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny with over 300k people.

So I do not consider any excuse for why people could not go because like that Metallica song goes, “nothing else matters”.

your a really judgemental person pal , there's probably a lot of reasons why a lot people didn't attend . not everybody is in a position to quit their job and drive halfway across the country to protest like you did either . i reckon a lot of people wouldn't have attended because of concerns about "radical" elements, . would've been good to see 20,000 at least . sad state of affairs , kudo's to the 2000 who did show up

I wouldn't say I'm judgemental I am just perplexed and confused. If you don’t stand for something, you will fall for anything. The gun owners of WA just proved to themselves and to the federation that when it matters that they really don't care. They just don't care.

They can come up with excuses but the really don't care. They want their easy comfort but not to put some little effort in. A massive show of numbers is the only way to make a statement to the government.

[alexjones]

I hate to use the nazi analogy but just remember at the peak only around 13% of Germans were party members. The majority just go along with the path of least resistance for comfort and ease.

This is what gun owners in this federation do. They have some good numbers but are lazy and scared and have no moral compass.

[Over The Hill]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

No I haven't considered that. As a gun owner nothing is more important to me.

In 2022 I left my grandfathers death bed, quit my job and drove from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny with over 300k people.

So I do not consider any excuse for why people could not go because like that Metallica song goes, “nothing else matters”.

I'm sick of the "Wise men from the East" casting their insults at the WA shooters because we don't fall into line with their personal opinions and agenda. Everyone is entitled to their opinion however to judge and abuse people because they are not aligned with you personal view of things shows a lack of maturity and empathy. The general comments by various members here over the past few weeks show considerable lack of understanding of the realty of WA politics and firearm ownership in this state and a severe lack of respect to the individual licenced firearms owners and members of this forum.. Todays so called "rally" has as much chance of influencing changes to the proposed laws as demolishing the old Swan Brewery would have had on the WAGL and the locals drinking. Even if every WA licence holder showed up today along with friends and families no one would care. The reality is that the numbers are spread so thin across the states electorates that no one currently in any position of power has any reason to give a crap. Now don't think I am supportive f these new laws, quite the opposite however anyone who understands the reality of firearm ownership in WA would acknowledge that tout of the 90K licenced shooters that there are a considerable number that have no legitimate use for their guns as they have neither a suitable property and/or permission to hunt on or do not belong or participate in club competitions. Lets be real here, nationally the so called "right to have a firearm just because you want to" was lost years ago regardless of which state you are in. And for the record, I spent the day actively participating in a club shooting event because that's what I choose to do.
Does that make me a "Lazy Coward" or a "Communist Sympathiser", I don't think so but feel free to pile on the hate if it makes you feel better.

[alexjones]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

No I haven't considered that. As a gun owner nothing is more important to me.

In 2022 I left my grandfathers death bed, quit my job and drove from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny with over 300k people.

So I do not consider any excuse for why people could not go because like that Metallica song goes, “nothing else matters”.

I'm sick of the "Wise men from the East" casting their insults at the WA shooters because we don't fall into line with their personal opinions and agenda. Everyone is entitled to their opinion however to judge and abuse people because they are not aligned with you personal view of things shows a lack of maturity and empathy. The general comments by various members here over the past few weeks show considerable lack of understanding of the realty of WA politics and firearm ownership in this state and a severe lack of respect to the individual licenced firearms owners and members of this forum.. Todays so called "rally" has as much chance of influencing changes to the proposed laws as demolishing the old Swan Brewery would have had on the WAGL and the locals drinking. Even if every WA licence holder showed up today along with friends and families no one would care. The reality is that the numbers are spread so thin across the states electorates that no one currently in any position of power has any reason to give a crap. Now don't think I am supportive f these new laws, quite the opposite however anyone who understands the reality of firearm ownership in WA would acknowledge that tout of the 90K licenced shooters that there are a considerable number that have no legitimate use for their guns as they have neither a suitable property and/or permission to hunt on or do not belong or participate in club competitions. Lets be real here, nationally the so called "right to have a firearm just because you want to" was lost years ago regardless of which state you are in. And for the record, I spent the day actively participating in a club shooting event because that's what I choose to do.
Does that make me a "Lazy Coward" or a "Communist Sympathiser", I don't think so but feel free to pile on the hate if it makes you feel better.

Of course people are entitled to their opinion. People can do what they like. It appears that the people of WA have chosen the path of least resistance. Even if it makes 0% difference, the people of WA have chosen to support the laws instead of showing their disgust.

Since only 2% of WA gun owners showed up, one must conclude that in the absence of evidence 98% of WA gun owners and their families either support the laws or are afraid. This is a logical conclusion.

I believe everything can be summed up with one word, defeatism!

Money from east coast groups was sent over to help fellow gun owners in the west and they just did not care.

[alexjones]

The reason why east coast people care is because WA is the political battlefield for firearms owners in this federation. Them showing support for the laws just means the offensive will move to the eastern states.

My understanding of psychology is that Stockholm Syndrome and social conditioning are real psychological phenomena that once programmed is hard to change.

[bigrich]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

No I haven't considered that. As a gun owner nothing is more important to me.

In 2022 I left my grandfathers death bed, quit my job and drove from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny with over 300k people.

So I do not consider any excuse for why people could not go because like that Metallica song goes, “nothing else matters”.

I'm sick of the "Wise men from the East" casting their insults at the WA shooters because we don't fall into line with their personal opinions and agenda. Everyone is entitled to their opinion however to judge and abuse people because they are not aligned with you personal view of things shows a lack of maturity and empathy. The general comments by various members here over the past few weeks show considerable lack of understanding of the realty of WA politics and firearm ownership in this state and a severe lack of respect to the individual licenced firearms owners and members of this forum.. Todays so called "rally" has as much chance of influencing changes to the proposed laws as demolishing the old Swan Brewery would have had on the WAGL and the locals drinking. Even if every WA licence holder showed up today along with friends and families no one would care. The reality is that the numbers are spread so thin across the states electorates that no one currently in any position of power has any reason to give a crap. Now don't think I am supportive f these new laws, quite the opposite however anyone who understands the reality of firearm ownership in WA would acknowledge that tout of the 90K licenced shooters that there are a considerable number that have no legitimate use for their guns as they have neither a suitable property and/or permission to hunt on or do not belong or participate in club competitions. Lets be real here, nationally the so called "right to have a firearm just because you want to" was lost years ago regardless of which state you are in. And for the record, I spent the day actively participating in a club shooting event because that's what I choose to do.
Does that make me a "Lazy Coward" or a "Communist Sympathiser", I don't think so but feel free to pile on the hate if it makes you feel better.

well said mate. ole AJ is very passionate in his views, but not very diplomatic in voicing them .

WA is a big state and not everyone can take time to leave the farm or work , drive long distance ,to attend a rally when their snowed under with cost of living supporting family or debt. a interesting point you make is a lot do own guns just because they can, which i think we should have that right . i do comps and hunt 4-6 hrs in every direction from brisbane , i see a lot of people with tacticool rifles at my local range shooting paper as a hobby, and i think that's great . but to play devils advocate, in the eyes of government and a lot of lefty's in our society that's not enough of a reason for owning firearms. i don't agree with that , but that's the state of affairs . i hope labor gets thrown out and the replacement government doesn't indulge in the current witch hunt that's going on . best of luck, cheers

[bigrich]

The reason why east coast people care is because WA is the political battlefield for firearms owners in this federation. Them showing support for the laws just means the offensive will move to the eastern states.

My understanding of psychology is that Stockholm Syndrome and social conditioning are real psychological phenomena that once programmed is hard to change.

on these points i agree 100%

[mchughcb]

AJ ... You really should think about withdrawing your cranium from your rectum.

Ever considered that perhaps another 8% couldn't make it there and the final 90% of firearms owners really don't care because to them, those firearms in the safe are about as important to them as the dusty old golf clubs hiding in the shed.

No I haven't considered that. As a gun owner nothing is more important to me.

In 2022 I left my grandfathers death bed, quit my job and drove from Cairns to Canberra to protest government tyranny with over 300k people.

So I do not consider any excuse for why people could not go because like that Metallica song goes, “nothing else matters”.

I'm sick of the "Wise men from the East" casting their insults at the WA shooters because we don't fall into line with their personal opinions and agenda. Everyone is entitled to their opinion however to judge and abuse people because they are not aligned with you personal view of things shows a lack of maturity and empathy. The general comments by various members here over the past few weeks show considerable lack of understanding of the realty of WA politics and firearm ownership in this state and a severe lack of respect to the individual licenced firearms owners and members of this forum.. Todays so called "rally" has as much chance of influencing changes to the proposed laws as demolishing the old Swan Brewery would have had on the WAGL and the locals drinking. Even if every WA licence holder showed up today along with friends and families no one would care. The reality is that the numbers are spread so thin across the states electorates that no one currently in any position of power has any reason to give a crap. Now don't think I am supportive f these new laws, quite the opposite however anyone who understands the reality of firearm ownership in WA would acknowledge that tout of the 90K licenced shooters that there are a considerable number that have no legitimate use for their guns as they have neither a suitable property and/or permission to hunt on or do not belong or participate in club competitions. Lets be real here, nationally the so called "right to have a firearm just because you want to" was lost years ago regardless of which state you are in. And for the record, I spent the day actively participating in a club shooting event because that's what I choose to do.
Does that make me a "Lazy Coward" or a "Communist Sympathiser", I don't think so but feel free to pile on the hate if it makes you feel better.

Had my WA licence from the age of 16. I've been a Vic licence holder approaching 3 decades. I have followed the firearms acts and hunting regulations closely for the last 2 decades and made submissions in both states.

My perspective is different. Wise men to the East won't allow the cancer to spread East.

As for WA Papalia says " get another hobby".

[Oldbloke]

Yes, it's disappointing but you need to consider a few things.

Mostly already been stated but this is my take on it.


-Distance, some are simply a long way from Perth.

-Some will have other interests, and firearms are just one of them.

-Job, family.

-Pressure from some clubs/associations not to attend.

-Fear of nutters, stirrers or renta crowd getting involved. I think this was the concern of the clubs.

-The laws have passed, so it's too little too late

[on_one_wheel]

Can anyone give us a less negative idea of how the rally went, personally I think 2000 people is a decent show.... that's a prety decent crowd size.
The union has been slow to report anything after the event.
Any news coverage ?
Any good speeches ?
Any politicians show up for a talk ?
Any news from the shooting lobby groups?

[mchughcb]

Can anyone give us a less negative idea of how the rally went, personally I think 2000 people is a decent show.... that's a prety decent crowd size.
The union has been slow to report anything after the event.
Any news coverage ?
Any good speeches ?
Any politicians show up for a talk ?
Any news from the shooting lobby groups?

Seems to be a media blackout on it.

[Wapiti]

Everyone has an opinion and the right to express it.
Some people choose to let others do their fighting.

All I see here are excuses. Just a heap of excuses by opinionated people with only opinions, not actions. Well, there you go, a lesson for the eastern states.

[Oldbloke]

Can anyone give us a less negative idea of how the rally went, personally I think 2000 people is a decent show.... that's a prety decent crowd size.
The union has been slow to report anything after the event.
Any news coverage ?
Any good speeches ?
Any politicians show up for a talk ?
Any news from the shooting lobby groups?

Seems to be a media blackout on it.

I noticed that too.

[animalpest]

So if 10,000 showed up instead of 2000 and the media didn't report on it, isn't it a case that it won't make any difference?

[alexjones]

So if 10,000 showed up instead of 2000 and the media didn't report on it, isn't it a case that it won't make any difference?

It is not about the perceived making a difference it is the care(or lack there of) of the community.

Even if it makes 0% difference people should not just live on their knees they should actually stand up and voice their opposition.

Gun owners in this country as a collective community are lazy cowards. They have all the complaints in the world about how terrible the laws are yet they also have every excuse in the world why it makes no difference to try.

[alexjones]

I can guarantee that if all 90k gun owners showed up and each brought several family and friends along making a crowd in the hundreds of thousands which is around 10-15% of WAs population it would make a massive statement.

[alexjones]

well said mate. ole AJ is very passionate in his views, but not very diplomatic in voicing them .

Mate haha I feel like I should of been born in the late 1800s or early 1900s. I just want to be left alone to raise my family and my fortune on my farm.

It is hard to find a political party that fits my world view of “let people do what they want and don't harass others” haha

Is that world view so much to ask for? In this day and age yes it appears so.

[Wapiti]

So if 10,000 showed up instead of 2000 and the media didn't report on it, isn't it a case that it won't make any difference?

Well they'll never know, will they. Because they had every excuse why not to attend, and ignored the reasons to actually do something.
Hence, the results are now assured.

[Wapiti]

So if 10,000 showed up instead of 2000 and the media didn't report on it, isn't it a case that it won't make any difference?

It is not about the perceived making a difference it is the care(or lack there of) of the community.

Even if it makes 0% difference people should not just live on their knees they should actually stand up and voice their opposition.

Gun owners in this country as a collective community are lazy cowards. They have all the complaints in the world about how terrible the laws are yet they also have every excuse in the world why it makes no difference to try.

Absolutely spot on. If only everyone had your big picture views.

Lazy cowards? C'mon man, they DID voice their disapproval, they had social media to complain on amongst themselves. History shows how great that works.

What's the point?

[1886]

I can guarantee that if all 90k gun owners showed up and each brought several family and friends along making a crowd in the hundreds of thousands which is around 10-15% of WAs population it would make a massive statement.

That is silly reasoning as gun owners in Wyndham along with those in Esperance in the south and all those in between are not able to drop everything and do a quick trip to Perth for a one hour meeting.

You are of course aware that the WA Firearm owners presented the largest WA petition ever to Parliament consisting of over 32,000 signatures requesting that these laws be set aside for actual consultation.

The result: Totally ignored by the Minister and the fascist Labor Government so don't judge us over a meeting being held by a known wombat from the east.

[bladeracer]

I can guarantee that if all 90k gun owners showed up and each brought several family and friends along making a crowd in the hundreds of thousands which is around 10-15% of WAs population it would make a massive statement.

If they had wanted that to happen they would have organised rallies all around the state, within say two-hours drive of all the major population centres. Expecting people to drive thirty-hours or more each way to attend a rally centred in Perth is just stupid. And with a lot of rallies there would've been more media interest as well.

[mchughcb]

2 hours in Perth these days. How far does that get you, Rockingham in peak hour?

[bladeracer]

2 hours in Perth these days. How far does that get you, Rockingham in peak hour?

Just looking at the map I would think Kununurra, Broome, Karratha, Carnarvon, Geraldton, Albany and Kalgoorlie would've covered 98% of shooters, maybe Warburton, Paraburdoo and Eucla would've been easy enough for the rest. Rural people generally have reasons to go to town every month or two so it should've been possible to plan a trip with some notice. Having a few hundred people gathering in these towns it would've been hard to avoid media coverage.

There's still time to do it again before the election.

[mchughcb]

Not many at Warburton. Most shooters like the population live in Perth. 3 hour catchment will be out to Merredin almost to Margaret River and half way to Geraldton.

[bigrich]

Can anyone give us a less negative idea of how the rally went, personally I think 2000 people is a decent show.... that's a prety decent crowd size.
The union has been slow to report anything after the event.
Any news coverage ?
Any good speeches ?
Any politicians show up for a talk ?
Any news from the shooting lobby groups?

Seems to be a media blackout on it.

i did a google on it , no media stories at all that i could find . reminds me of the anti covid jab by emergency workers here in brisbane , no media coverage . at least premier palace-chook backed down after that . what is our society becoming when the media fall into line with government instead of reporting the truth

[mchughcb]

Happened during covid in Melbourne. Wasn't until social media posters started showing the size of the crowds that people could see that numbers reported by police and media were way under.

[geoff]

2 hours in Perth these days. How far does that get you, Rockingham in peak hour?

Just looking at the map I would think Kununurra, Broome, Karratha, Carnarvon, Geraldton, Albany and Kalgoorlie would've covered 98% of shooters, maybe Warburton, Paraburdoo and Eucla would've been easy enough for the rest. Rural people generally have reasons to go to town every month or two so it should've been possible to plan a trip with some notice. Having a few hundred people gathering in these towns it would've been hard to avoid media coverage.

There's still time to do it again before the election.

Classic eastern states heckler commentary here

Hold a rally in Warburton - that actually made me laugh out loud

Some people have no idea

[bladeracer]

2 hours in Perth these days. How far does that get you, Rockingham in peak hour?

Just looking at the map I would think Kununurra, Broome, Karratha, Carnarvon, Geraldton, Albany and Kalgoorlie would've covered 98% of shooters, maybe Warburton, Paraburdoo and Eucla would've been easy enough for the rest. Rural people generally have reasons to go to town every month or two so it should've been possible to plan a trip with some notice. Having a few hundred people gathering in these towns it would've been hard to avoid media coverage.

There's still time to do it again before the election.

Classic eastern states heckler commentary here

Hold a rally in Warburton - that actually made me laugh out loud

Some people have no idea

More than half my life was in WA, and half of that was in the country
It's just a town that would be easy for people in that area to gather to for a rally, there might be somewhere better, I was just offering suggestions that might've helped. Having a rally there would surely have gotten media attention, wouldn't it, even if only a hundred people showed up?

[mchughcb]

2 hours in Perth these days. How far does that get you, Rockingham in peak hour?

Just looking at the map I would think Kununurra, Broome, Karratha, Carnarvon, Geraldton, Albany and Kalgoorlie would've covered 98% of shooters, maybe Warburton, Paraburdoo and Eucla would've been easy enough for the rest. Rural people generally have reasons to go to town every month or two so it should've been possible to plan a trip with some notice. Having a few hundred people gathering in these towns it would've been hard to avoid media coverage.

There's still time to do it again before the election.

Classic eastern states heckler commentary here

Hold a rally in Warburton - that actually made me laugh out loud

Some people have no idea

Mehh, you are talking to 2 sandgropers. Who has a better perspective?