shooting meeting.

[alexjones]

I can guarantee that if all 90k gun owners showed up and each brought several family and friends along making a crowd in the hundreds of thousands which is around 10-15% of WAs population it would make a massive statement.

That is silly reasoning as gun owners in Wyndham along with those in Esperance in the south and all those in between are not able to drop everything and do a quick trip to Perth for a one hour meeting.

You are of course aware that the WA Firearm owners presented the largest WA petition ever to Parliament consisting of over 32,000 signatures requesting that these laws be set aside for actual consultation.

The result: Totally ignored by the Minister and the fascist Labor Government so don't judge us over a meeting being held by a known wombat from the east.

Numbers in the streets far outweighs the 60 seconds it takes to fill out an internet petition.

Well to the people who can't just “drop everything” for what matters to them enjoy your new llimit on guns you can own.

A week after the canberra protests that had like 300k there the lockdown tyranny finished. Crowds work.

[alexjones]

My brain just can’t fathom this living on the knees mindset. Nothing in life comes easy but people should never give up even if it is futile.

Look at them gay people. We use to put them in jail but they stuck to their offensive to get what they wanted and now they have their own flags and parades and they let them adopt children. Seems like they have more balls than our gun community. They never said it was futile.

[Tomotron]

My brain just can’t fathom this living on the knees mindset. Nothing in life comes easy but people should never give up even if it is futile.

Look at them gay people. We use to put them in jail but they stuck to their offensive to get what they wanted and now they have their own flags and parades and they let them adopt children. Seems like they have more balls than our gun community. They never said it was futile.

Here's the difference; their community is considered "culturally acceptable", but ours is not. Before Port Arthur, it was the opposite. It would take a PLA invasion of Australia to return to "culturally acceptable".

[Oldbloke]

My brain just can’t fathom this living on the knees mindset. Nothing in life comes easy but people should never give up even if it is futile.

Look at them gay people. We use to put them in jail but they stuck to their offensive to get what they wanted and now they have their own flags and parades and they let them adopt children. Seems like they have more balls than our gun community. They never said it was futile.

And the Greene's too.

[Wapiti]

2 hours in Perth these days. How far does that get you, Rockingham in peak hour?

Just looking at the map I would think Kununurra, Broome, Karratha, Carnarvon, Geraldton, Albany and Kalgoorlie would've covered 98% of shooters, maybe Warburton, Paraburdoo and Eucla would've been easy enough for the rest. Rural people generally have reasons to go to town every month or two so it should've been possible to plan a trip with some notice. Having a few hundred people gathering in these towns it would've been hard to avoid media coverage.

There's still time to do it again before the election.

Classic eastern states heckler commentary here

Hold a rally in Warburton - that actually made me laugh out loud

Some people have no idea

More than half my life was in WA, and half of that was in the country
It's just a town that would be easy for people in that area to gather to for a rally, there might be somewhere better, I was just offering suggestions that might've helped. Having a rally there would surely have gotten media attention, wouldn't it, even if only a hundred people showed up?

It's obvious that over time, the people of WA have been beaten down into the "sit down, shut up, look for excuses" shame that they are.
WA has accepted strict gun laws getting stricter forever, each new time showing that shooters there bend over.
Quick, duck, we dont want to show our faces, hope it all goes away.
Then it was Covid. Hide in your homes from another strain of a flu virus, don't mind that Influenza A&B is acceptable in daily life. Stop the bastards from the eastern states at the border, maybe we'll succeed from the rest of Australia. Heaven forbid those mongrels stealing our opportunities. We've got Gina and iron ore and gas royalties, we don't need Aus proper.
And eventually, everyone just accepts that you do what govt tells you. My goodness, why even bother standing up and clenching that sphincter ever again.
And now the norm has been accepted forever.
You might change government at the election because of what a complete failure the Labor brand is under that slimy activist Albanese, but you're clutching at straws here.

Eastern states hecklers? Great excuse. Yes, there is hope for us yet. But only here over east.
Maybe a better result if there was another rally attempt? All those with the reasons not to fight will still not contribute to their own freedoms then just the same.
WA has proven it accepts the hand that govt deals it.

[bigrich]

now there's a idea , a bigger better more organized rally . you can have more than one in WA can't you, or have socialist labor taken that right away ......

[mchughcb]

Just got off the phone to a mate in WA. Nothing reported. Only photos online are those taken by the Lib Democrat candidate in Mandurah.

Looks like police, media and SSAA were in cahoots.

[animalpest]

So there is the biggest ever petition to the WA government and it doesn't raise an eyebrow. A rally attracts 2000 people and doesn't even rate anywhere in the media. The laws have passed and we are grappling with dealing with it

[mchughcb]

So there is the biggest ever petition to the WA government and it doesn't raise an eyebrow. A rally attracts 2000 people and doesn't even rate anywhere in the media. The laws have passed and we are grappling with dealing with it

The reality is most people struggle to do an e-petition. Let alone to write a coherent letter to their MP or get off their fat arse to go and see them.

[Fester]

As all that matters to career polifilth is numbers, a rally of 3 or 5,000 heads does make them fear a bit of opposition.
All that had Gladys dump the huge fishing lockouts was a FB group going viral and the rally of course let them know fishos cared, and voted.
It wasn't huge, just enough to fill a Sydney street.
They know any rally is only going be a tiny percentage but it works.

With shooters fighting so hard, against each other, I can't see us winning anything but more time at best.
There is still a slight hope for the East Coast outdoorsmen to get together.

If SA decides to try it on and the organizations that are supposed to represent us play along, as they seem to be doing and proof will surface soon as I know secret deals are going on in NSW, shooters may actually get off their knees and stand up.

If the woke go for too many bans and lockouts at once, lots of normal Aussies with outdoor interests may get the s**ts and speak up.
That's what I hope happens anyway

[mchughcb]

The reality is most gun dealers and sellers just can't be bothered selling to WA. They will continue to live in their shrinking bubble of reality.

[Fester]

Pretty much and they never seemed to get involved, now the big Sydney shops that were too crowded to visit in the past have more staff than customers.
I suspect the big importers think they are OK as they have the govt contracts but we are the bread and butter or were.

I like how the orgs got together and fought this WA thing off.
After failing, they still did their best to make a rally fail.

I can see why shooters keep their heads down as guns are now very bad.
I can understand the old range Fudd's view of keeping quiet and we will shoot out our last years but will never agree with them.
As for the old committee men destroying any future their clubs may have had by driving out normal shooters and young blokes, the sooner they die off the better really.

Saddest of all is the WA shooters turning on the eastern state's shooters who want to help and fight.
I expect to see a few more years of secretive license culling that must have started from the police boss's meetings because I know it is happening in Qld, NSW, and Tas.
I think Qld will go it alone as they were always a law unto themselves.
If Vic and NSW outdoor rec people can't get together and fight off the public land lockups, hunting won't have much future IMO.
They are winning now as without timber industries, they don't need state forests so they will turn into (no guns) nasho parks.
The battle to keep the last free hunting state hunting on public land and not getting all the Melbourne-accessible land locked up could be the battle that changed the path of the war IMO.

[bladeracer]

As for the old committee men destroying any future their clubs may have had by driving out normal shooters and young blokes, the sooner they die off the better really.

I was really pleased to be at a meeting last night where it was acknowledged that potential members do go elsewhere because our club doesn't offer certain pistol disciplines, and they want to change that! I'm hoping it's a start in the right direction to expand the club and bring in more members.

[bigrich]

We need national unity, new younger blood , and a UNITED NATIONAL organisation like the NRA. Otherwise shooting in Australia is going to continue to be pulled apart, piece by piece.

[bladeracer]

We need national unity, new younger blood , and a UNITED NATIONAL organisation like the NRA. Otherwise shooting in Australia is going to continue to be pulled apart, piece by piece.

Get into pistol shooting if you want to see a bunch of like-minded groups that refuse to acknowledge or work with each other

[Oldbloke]

We need national unity, new younger blood , and a UNITED NATIONAL organisation like the NRA. Otherwise shooting in Australia is going to continue to be pulled apart, piece by piece.

IIRC
That opportunity was lost when Ted Drane resigned from the ssaa president position. And the ssaa forgot it had balls.

[alexjones]

It's hard to get national unity because we are a federation of self governing states and territories.

The only thing that unifies us is the NFA, and I am sure we can agree how much we hate that.

The only thing that was close to uniting us was the now defunct national shooting council who helped members in all states.

What is needed is for every gun owner in the federation to donate some kind of monthly fee to a central committee so we can lobby politicians in the various states to get what we want.

50$ a month from a million shooters is a lot of money that we can give to politicians to get what we want. Start with one state then move to the next. Hundreds of millions of dollars buys a lot of voting power.

Money talks!

[Coxy383]

Since the new hate law speech has been passed I'm waiting for the cops to show up and take me and my guns. I don't hate anyone but if your online saying Australia day and the whites should go then ya Gona hear a word from me about it. So for me the laws probably don't matter anymore

[Coxy383]

It's hard to get national unity because we are a federation of self governing states and territories.

The only thing that unifies us is the NFA, and I am sure we can agree how much we hate that.

The only thing that was close to uniting us was the now defunct national shooting council who helped members in all states.

What is needed is for every gun owner in the federation to donate some kind of monthly fee to a central committee so we can lobby politicians in the various states to get what we want.

50$ a month from a million shooters is a lot of money that we can give to politicians to get what we want. Start with one state then move to the next.

Money talks!

People in Vic complain about paying the $88 a year for a game licence.Your never getting $50 a month out of them

[alexjones]

It's hard to get national unity because we are a federation of self governing states and territories.

The only thing that unifies us is the NFA, and I am sure we can agree how much we hate that.

The only thing that was close to uniting us was the now defunct national shooting council who helped members in all states.

What is needed is for every gun owner in the federation to donate some kind of monthly fee to a central committee so we can lobby politicians in the various states to get what we want.

50$ a month from a million shooters is a lot of money that we can give to politicians to get what we want. Start with one state then move to the next.

Money talks!

People in Vic complain about paying the $88 a year for a game licence.Your never getting $50 a month out of them

$50 was just a hypothetical number that seems reasonable for most to be able to afford to top up a war chest.

Those people can't see the forrest from the trees. Politicians are for the most part corrupt and only respond to money. Money makes the world go round.

Short term so called ‘pain’ results in long term gain.

[alexjones]

As an example I am pretty sure Paul Papalia would love guns if he was given a cheque for 5 or 10 million dollars or whatever figure.

[Coxy383]

As an example I am pretty sure Paul Papalia would love guns if he was given a cheque for 5 or 10 million dollars or whatever figure.

So the answer is in fact illegal corruption. Hand someone a check buy a vote? Ok. Well then we all should become drug dealers and pay this off pretty quickly

[alexjones]

As an example I am pretty sure Paul Papalia would love guns if he was given a cheque for 5 or 10 million dollars or whatever figure.

So the answer is in fact illegal corruption. Hand someone a check buy a vote? Ok. Well then we all should become drug dealers and pay this off pretty quickly

There is legal ways to lobby. All politicians are corrupt and ignore the voters will in some capacity. So why should our interest group not play the game? What is needed first and foremost is money, lots of money and some group to manage the money and allocate it accordingly.

[bigrich]

It's hard to get national unity because we are a federation of self governing states and territories.

The only thing that unifies us is the NFA, and I am sure we can agree how much we hate that.

The only thing that was close to uniting us was the now defunct national shooting council who helped members in all states.

What is needed is for every gun owner in the federation to donate some kind of monthly fee to a central committee so we can lobby politicians in the various states to get what we want.

50$ a month from a million shooters is a lot of money that we can give to politicians to get what we want. Start with one state then move to the next. Hundreds of millions of dollars buys a lot of voting power.

Money talks!

i used to donate to the nsc. would be glad to support and donate to a advocate/lobby group . still waiting ......

[alexjones]

It's hard to get national unity because we are a federation of self governing states and territories.

The only thing that unifies us is the NFA, and I am sure we can agree how much we hate that.

The only thing that was close to uniting us was the now defunct national shooting council who helped members in all states.

What is needed is for every gun owner in the federation to donate some kind of monthly fee to a central committee so we can lobby politicians in the various states to get what we want.

50$ a month from a million shooters is a lot of money that we can give to politicians to get what we want. Start with one state then move to the next. Hundreds of millions of dollars buys a lot of voting power.

Money talks!

i used to donate to the nsc. would be glad to support and donate to a advocate/lobby group . still waiting ......

Yes mate I was a fan of the NSC style of ‘rock the boat’. Playing nice and by the rules gets us nowhere. At least rocking the boat we can get a laugh or two along the way whilst we still probably get nowhere in the end.

Insider corruption ruined a good thing.

[Fester]

Corruption rules and it has spread like cancer, I think that is the reason the world economies have all gone down the tube.

Look at the level of Corporate greed and corruption exposed on programs like 4 Corners and it just goes on the same and old news a few weeks later,(nothing to see here)

We all just accept it and look after our selves in our own little bubble.
Look at the lengths the Liberal party went to de-power and destroy the unions as people power is their biggest fear and it stops them getting on with business, making corrupt money any way they can get in on it.

When someone mentioned the pistol club committee Fudds, I thought yeah, I can only imagine with the higher regulations and them just wanting to keep going but it's much the same with clay shooting and F-class Fudds.

It wasn't that many years back when the SSAA national bosses admitted that they wanted nothing to do with the politics, their business is in shooting clubs.
A few years back SSAA Sydney changed for the better and started advocating for us.
I suspect that new younger blood must have got in and taken over.
The surveys they send us would show what the members want and they seem to be getting involved now.
Then I hear disturbing things like they are negotiating behind the scenes about increasing mandatory attendance and other stuff.
I like shooting but attending non-SSAA ranges more as they can turn shooters off pretty easily depending how they are treated at a range. I hear other shooters say things like "it should be a great day as Little Hitler isn't here", I reply yeah, I know exactly who you mean, he once watched me for 1.5hrs before he could think up something stupid to get me on.

So sad at where shooting sports and hunting are headed.

[Wapiti]

I keep talking about "the big picture".

Some of you are still obsessed by completely unrelated issues, and they invade the issues at hand that are ruining the whole thing. Like petty individuals (range officers etc), club hierarchy, all the bullsh*t that is in any other club be it soccer, footy whatever.

How many times have I heard that a club is "the sum and wants of its members collectively". That's what club means.
Even grass roots problems, like the childish stuff above, don't seem to be solved due to pushback just not being there.
So, rather than stand up and show some balls, members leave. Let's call the old bullies "Fudds" and walk away.

If the shooters as a collective want something, they can achieve it.
But they are looking for, and listening to, the gutless head-in-the-sand attitudes of the cowards advising them. And sucking it up because who wants to stand up and say "NO" anymore and stick out, because all around them sit down to p*ss.

Look how the farmers got the woke ridiculous BS about aboriginals having to be advised if they wanted to put up a fence or do work on the own WA properties.
When their 30,000+ online whinge got only a few raised eyebrows from the Labor parasites the city-centric fools keep installing, they chucked tractors on floats and trucks and invaded the capital.
And the woke rubbish got overturned, put on hold and the public jumped on board and it became clear that Gaybor was anti-farmer, The Labor oxygen thieves had brown liquid running down their legs.
The farmers showed you up.

So don't use the pathetic excuse that people would have to travel to attend a rally and "Oh, the inconvenience!" BS.

[Wapiti]

It wasn't that many years back when the SSAA national bosses admitted that they wanted nothing to do with the politics, their business is in shooting clubs.
A few years back SSAA Sydney changed for the better and started advocating for us.
So sad at where shooting sports and hunting are headed.

Spot on.
I edited out the other stuff, the stuff distracting all of you, the irrelevant stuff. No disrespect, it's across the board it seems and people don't even realise they are being distracted.

It will come too late, and I still think it's only a very thin coat of paint, but we now see the SSAA starting to get the message. But more laws won't hurt them at all, because if you non-farmers only have one firearm or five, you will still have to attend their ranges and pay them plenty to do so.
So it will be up to the members, who are supposed to dictate the wants moving forward, to make it happen.

[Finniss]

Yep farmers do tend to be able to get the public on side. I imagine that's why they got a higher limit of firearms than hunters. Less impact to them and less likely to protest. Firearm owners divided and conquered.

To my thinking in general a farmer needs less firearms than a hunter who chases different animals on different properties in different terrains etc

I imagine a register review of firearms per farmer in a few years will see their limit halved. Perhaps a tractor blockade will be initiated then....and the apathetic hunters who it makes no difference to won't bother turning up

[geoff]

So there is the biggest ever petition to the WA government and it doesn't raise an eyebrow. A rally attracts 2000 people and doesn't even rate anywhere in the media. The laws have passed and we are grappling with dealing with it

It's just the denial stage of grief from a bunch of interstate internet personalities.

Maybe if we took their advice and held a rally in Warburton (I'm still laughing about that) we wouldn't be so feeble