WA Property Letter For Multiple Calibres

[TassieTiger]

No Glenn, my mate deano is as straight laced as they come. The problem is he exaggerated his attendances - so effectively lied to the police, never a good idea. The other problem is that he is so laid back, he will take this in his stride and say oh well - those shooting days were fun, pass me a beer and that will be that...he won’t fight it, he doesn’t see or care for the bigger picture.
It’s strange that he got the call in the first place...but for others licence holders, forewarned is foreArmed...

[glenn777]

Also it seems odd that while yes you do need a property letter for each gun you own at application, you don't need to submit a letter for each farm you visit you just need verbal or written permission of the owner (so I believe).
So he may be shooting at one of these other properties and barely get around to the farm on his original application. It just seems crazy to me are they going to start implementing minimum farm shoot requirements like pistols?

[AussieCapitalist]

No Glenn, my mate deano is as straight laced as they come. The problem is he exaggerated his attendances - so effectively lied to the police, never a good idea. The other problem is that he is so laid back, he will take this in his stride and say oh well - those shooting days were fun, pass me a beer and that will be that...he won’t fight it, he doesn’t see or care for the bigger picture.
It’s strange that he got the call in the first place...but for others licence holders, forewarned is foreArmed...

See, he probably is a nice bloke and he thought he was doing the right thing talking to the police without seeking legal advise. As a fit and proper person I do not condone lying to the police, however I am an advocate of people seeking legal advise before talking to the government. Purely for the fact that it could have long standing repercussions. He may not be able to get a passport if he has firearm related charges and if he does America and some other countries will not allow him to enter with that on his record. Fire related charges may bar him from owning firearms for a long time.

[AussieCapitalist]

I wish WA was like QLD where you just join a gun club and as long as you are a paying member of that club than that is your genuine reason to buy firearms. Or get a property letter or own a property. None of this sneaky stuff that WA is doing.

That's why so many people just join the SSAA because purely being an SSAA member( as well as many other clubs) is a valid reason to buy firearms.

[glenn777]

WA is the California of Australian gun laws.

[TassieTiger]

No Glenn, my mate deano is as straight laced as they come. The problem is he exaggerated his attendances - so effectively lied to the police, never a good idea. The other problem is that he is so laid back, he will take this in his stride and say oh well - those shooting days were fun, pass me a beer and that will be that...he won’t fight it, he doesn’t see or care for the bigger picture.
It’s strange that he got the call in the first place...but for others licence holders, forewarned is foreArmed...

See, he probably is a nice bloke and he thought he was doing the right thing talking to the police without seeking legal advise. As a fit and proper person I do not condone lying to the police, however I am an advocate of people seeking legal advise before talking to the government. Purely for the fact that it could have long standing repercussions. He may not be able to get a passport if he has firearm related charges and if he does America and some other countries will not allow him to enter with that on his record. Fire related charges may bar him from owning firearms for a long time.

He is a top bloke, but too carefree really...what ever will be will be kinda thing. I’d hazard a guess he will lose his licence without charges, wapol got what they wanted, no point going further - but hey, I was wrong on this to start with so who knows. They even took his scopes on the rifles - I told him he should demanded to remove them as they aren’t registered items...sigh.

[Jacky_Boy]

Well s**t boys, I didn't think it would be such a big deal, but now I'm reconsidering getting both.
I actually found a property near me in Albany that will do multiple calibres for a fair price on the one letter. If I had to choose, I would go the 06 as it gives me more options. It's still a heard choice though as the 308 has a nice short heavy barrel. It's tempting to try and get them both through as I would genuinely use them for different purposes. I'm buying the rifles from over east though, so they'd be sitting in limbo in a WA gunshop while I get the paperwork sorted.
What happens if one doesn't get approved, do you just get the gunshop to sell it for you and lose out some coin?

[AussieCapitalist]

He is a top bloke, but too carefree really...what ever will be will be kinda thing. I’d hazard a guess he will lose his licence without charges, wapol got what they wanted, no point going further - but hey, I was wrong on this to start with so who knows. They even took his scopes on the rifles - I told him he should demanded to remove them as they aren’t registered items...sigh.

Well hopefully they dont pursue a court case. Dont put it past the police mate. A firearms conviction will be good for their resume.

[Ziege]

Well s**t boys, I didn't think it would be such a big deal, but now I'm reconsidering getting both.
I actually found a property near me in Albany that will do multiple calibres for a fair price on the one letter. If I had to choose, I would go the 06 as it gives me more options. It's still a heard choice though as the 308 has a nice short heavy barrel. It's tempting to try and get them both through as I would genuinely use them for different purposes. I'm buying the rifles from over east though, so they'd be sitting in limbo in a WA gunshop while I get the paperwork sorted.
What happens if one doesn't get approved, do you just get the gunshop to sell it for you and lose out some coin?

Not really wanting to tell ya what to do but, if I were you I'd buy the 30-06 or a 300win then get a 6mm to 7mm of some sort, as well as a .224 cal of some sort. As well as a shotgun and rimfire, that's basically the standard WA kit lol, cops won't frown on much of that, the 30-06 will need pigs or bigger and 300win will need big game, deer upwards.

Cheers

[bladeracer]

Don't you have to buy a new property letter for each rifle every year?

[glenn777]

Don't you have to buy a new property letter for each rifle every year?

No, it's a one off with the gun application.
You can have one property letter for multiple guns if it's big enough. I got 3 in my first application just to save in the initial ($280~) cost!

[bladeracer]

Don't you have to buy a new property letter for each rifle every year?

No, it's a one off with the gun application.
You can have one property letter for multiple guns if it's big enough. I got 3 in my first application just to save in the initial ($280~) cost!

In that case I don't see why Police have any interest in how many times you'd attend the property.

Do you actually shoot on that property or is it still just a cash cow for property owners selling letters for firearm applications?

[glenn777]

Personally I'm lucky in that I have family who own large farms and friends also, so have no trouble getting a property letter from multiple sources.
I'm sure farmers do do it especially for inner city folk who want rec/hunt/shoot licences, most gun shops will provide you a letter for a price.

[TassieTiger]

Don't you have to buy a new property letter for each rifle every year?

No, it's a one off with the gun application.
You can have one property letter for multiple guns if it's big enough. I got 3 in my first application just to save in the initial ($280~) cost!

In that case I don't see why Police have any interest in how many times you'd attend the property.

Do you actually shoot on that property or is it still just a cash cow for property owners selling letters for firearm applications?

In regards to my mates mess, it appears the police were being opportunistic - rather than targeting specific questions...

[Troyus]

Any luck with the original question on multiple guns on one letter? Local gun shop can only do one gun per letter to buy.
I want to co- license a few of my old mans guns so I can take them out. One of them is a .22 he bought for me when I was 10 or 12.

[Ziege]

Well of course they can, they can even list calibres as "any" which leaves the door wide open, however it will then depend on property size and type of vermin/pests.

[bladeracer]

Personally I'm lucky in that I have family who own large farms and friends also, so have no trouble getting a property letter from multiple sources.
I'm sure farmers do do it especially for inner city folk who want rec/hunt/shoot licences, most gun shops will provide you a letter for a price.

Yes, I know, but generally you are only buying the letter, not the right to actually go and shoot on that property

[Ziege]

Who buys letters anyway, lame as... Get out off the couch and meet people and network. Why rely on something that is essentially on the chopping block as we speak?

[MinuteofGoat]

I haven't heard of anyone baking asked to justify a .30 cal outside of this post. Thankfully! I have to wonder why wapol targeted him for an answer. They aren't the friendliest bunch, but usually they don't ask unless you do something out of the norms, or have a huge cannon.

As for the original question about multiple calibres, they need to have a need. A 308 with a heavy barrel and stock is very different to a stalking 30-06. A friend has two 308s, one is a pump Action. Wapol asked about it, he said the pump is for rapid follow up shots for pigs, the other is for long range shots. They had no problems with that.

[TassieTiger]

Who buys letters anyway, lame as... Get out off the couch and meet people and network. Why rely on something that is essentially on the chopping block as we speak?

I cannot fathom “buying” letters...it makes a complete mockery of the system...wanna a gun mate? Here I’ll print and sign this for $300 but I don’t want you actually using the property...only the letter.
Maybe that’s why my mate got called Re his firearms - perhaps wapol are looking at the insane process..don’t know.

[MinuteofGoat]

Who buys letters anyway, lame as... Get out off the couch and meet people and network. Why rely on something that is essentially on the chopping block as we speak?

I cannot fathom “buying” letters...it makes a complete mockery of the system...wanna a gun mate? Here I’ll print and sign this for $300 but I don’t want you actually using the property...only the letter.
Maybe that’s why my mate got called Re his firearms - perhaps wapol are looking at the insane process..don’t know.

The letter system is stupid, but it's what wapol basically come up with. If they don't like it then too bad, let us use club membership like other states do.

[Ziege]

WAPOL would never allow club justified firearms to be used for recreational hunting, if you use club endorsement in WA your firearm will never be legally allowed to use on private land for recreational hunting.

The letter system is stupid and it's not legislated either, which is just the cops acting above the law which is in itself illegal in essence as they are not there to make up rules but to follow those put in place by ELECTED members of parliament, not non elected bigots.

[Troyus]

Who buys letters anyway, lame as... Get out off the couch and meet people and network. Why rely on something that is essentially on the chopping block as we speak?

Hard for someone with no guns, no license to convince a random farmer you are a great guy, great shot and please give me a letter to run around with a gun on your property.

[AussieCapitalist]

Who buys letters anyway, lame as... Get out off the couch and meet people and network. Why rely on something that is essentially on the chopping block as we speak?

I cannot fathom “buying” letters...it makes a complete mockery of the system...wanna a gun mate? Here I’ll print and sign this for $300 but I don’t want you actually using the property...only the letter.
Maybe that’s why my mate got called Re his firearms - perhaps wapol are looking at the insane process..don’t know.

Well its the same in QLD but instead of buying your letter from a farmer like in WA you just buy it from the shooters union or SSAA because being a paying member of those clubs is a genuine reason to buy guns.

Thats why I hate the mandatory pistol shoots. Its just a scam to make make the SSAA more money. .

[AussieCapitalist]

in QLD they give you rec use and sports use on your licence you just need to prove a genuine reason for one and they give you both. Most people just join the SSAA and use that as their genuine reason because proving a genuine reason for rec use you must provide property address and details.

[glenn777]

Maybe that’s why my mate got called Re his firearms - perhaps wapol are looking at the insane process..don’t know.

You know what that might be it, the 'letter' he used for his rifles might be getting flagged on WAPOL's end as a 'bought' letter as there's probably a million other applications for the same farm and they're trying to weed out who actually shoots on the farm and who loopholed it..

[bladeracer]

Maybe that’s why my mate got called Re his firearms - perhaps wapol are looking at the insane process..don’t know.

You know what that might be it, the 'letter' he used for his rifles might be getting flagged on WAPOL's end as a 'bought' letter as there's probably a million other applications for the same farm and they're trying to weed out who actually shoots on the farm and who loopholed it..

Which would be fine...if only loopholes were illegal.
What they need to do is change the law if they're not happy with it, then enforce that law, not make stuff up themselves.

[AussieCapitalist]

Thats what I find annoying with he term loophole when people think its a bad thing. A loophole is simply using a law or regulation to its full potential. Like how losers complain about negative gearing like its some loophole for the rich. Negative gearing is available for all to use equally.

[bladeracer]

Thats what I find annoying with he term loophole when people think its a bad thing. A loophole is simply using a law or regulation to its full potential. Like how losers complain about negative gearing like its some loophole for the rich. Negative gearing is available for all to use equally.

Yep, if it's not a _legal_ alternative then it's not a loophole

If our laws were written in fairness to all and so as to be understood by everybody we wouldn't need to look for loopholes.

[glenn777]

Maybe that’s why my mate got called Re his firearms - perhaps wapol are looking at the insane process..don’t know.

You know what that might be it, the 'letter' he used for his rifles might be getting flagged on WAPOL's end as a 'bought' letter as there's probably a million other applications for the same farm and they're trying to weed out who actually shoots on the farm and who loopholed it..

Which would be fine...if only loopholes were illegal.
What they need to do is change the law if they're not happy with it, then enforce that law, not make stuff up themselves.

100% agree, but this is WAPOL we're talking about look what they're trying to do to Ella Valla station.