bladeracer wrote:If his local dealer is good then they are the people he'll want to be building a relationship with for the future, so I'd start with them.
moopere wrote:I wonder if this will prove worthwhile? I don't know if we're talking about pistols or rifles here but almost everywhere in the USA firearms are significantly cheaper than in Australia. The amount of money to be spent in transfer fees, shipping fees (dangerous goods? I'd expect so), the possibility of some form of tax being levied on the way in - and that before we even get to the paperwork and stress.
I wonder if it would prove better overall, cheaper anyway, to just give up the .22's here in Aus and buy from a local shop once settled in the USA?
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:If he is a good friend of yours then please make him reconsider his move. WA is the worst place in the world to be a firearms owner and the US(even crappy states) are the best.
moopere wrote:I wonder if this will prove worthwhile? I don't know if we're talking about pistols or rifles here but almost everywhere in the USA firearms are significantly cheaper than in Australia. The amount of money to be spent in transfer fees, shipping fees (dangerous goods? I'd expect so), the possibility of some form of tax being levied on the way in - and that before we even get to the paperwork and stress.
I wonder if it would prove better overall, cheaper anyway, to just give up the .22's here in Aus and buy from a local shop once settled in the USA?
Rider888 wrote:moopere wrote:I wonder if this will prove worthwhile? I don't know if we're talking about pistols or rifles here but almost everywhere in the USA firearms are significantly cheaper than in Australia. The amount of money to be spent in transfer fees, shipping fees (dangerous goods? I'd expect so), the possibility of some form of tax being levied on the way in - and that before we even get to the paperwork and stress.
I wonder if it would prove better overall, cheaper anyway, to just give up the .22's here in Aus and buy from a local shop once settled in the USA?
I’ve since found out that it’s 2 x .22 rifles, 2 x shotguns 5 round mag, 2 x 9mm and sadly he’s selling the AR over there
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:If he is a good friend of yours then please make him reconsider his move. WA is the worst place in the world to be a firearms owner and the US(even crappy states) are the best.
bladeracer wrote:Rider888 wrote:moopere wrote:I wonder if this will prove worthwhile? I don't know if we're talking about pistols or rifles here but almost everywhere in the USA firearms are significantly cheaper than in Australia. The amount of money to be spent in transfer fees, shipping fees (dangerous goods? I'd expect so), the possibility of some form of tax being levied on the way in - and that before we even get to the paperwork and stress.
I wonder if it would prove better overall, cheaper anyway, to just give up the .22's here in Aus and buy from a local shop once settled in the USA?
I’ve since found out that it’s 2 x .22 rifles, 2 x shotguns 5 round mag, 2 x 9mm and sadly he’s selling the AR over there
Find out exactly what they are to ensure they're not specifically prohibited, or CatC. 5rd shotguns for example sound more likely to be pump or semi, I don't think levers or straight-pulls are big over there. Pumps and semis are CatC, so even if he is coming here to work in pest control, he can only own one of them anyway. Same with the .22's if they're semis. He could apply for a collectors licence, but that can take years due to requiring a history of collector club membership, and means the firearms can never be fired. Handguns can also take a year before being licenced to own them. That's an awful lot of storage fees.
Rider888 wrote:I believe he does have the pump,action shotguns.
bladeracer wrote:Rider888 wrote:I believe he does have the pump,action shotguns.
Then probably no point trying to bring them to Oz.
If he is a professional shooter he could apply for a CatC licence, which would allow him to own one pump/semi shotgun and one semi rimfire, but he could only use them on the specific properties they are licenced to. If he wanted another CatC gun or rimfire rifle he would have to sell the current one first.
Alternatively he could try a collectors licence, which might take a year or two to come through, but he would never be able to use the firearms in WA, anywhere, ever.
As CiC mentioned, he could apply for a CatC gun for IPSC usage only, no hunting, but if he's not interested in competition that would be annoying having to attend minimum shoots every year to maintain the licence. If he uses them for clay competition he could try applying for CatC for competition use only but would require medical grounds explaining why he needs to use a CatC gun over a CatA gun.
Rider888 wrote:bladeracer wrote:Rider888 wrote:I believe he does have the pump,action shotguns.
Then probably no point trying to bring them to Oz.
If he is a professional shooter he could apply for a CatC licence, which would allow him to own one pump/semi shotgun and one semi rimfire, but he could only use them on the specific properties they are licenced to. If he wanted another CatC gun or rimfire rifle he would have to sell the current one first.
Alternatively he could try a collectors licence, which might take a year or two to come through, but he would never be able to use the firearms in WA, anywhere, ever.
As CiC mentioned, he could apply for a CatC gun for IPSC usage only, no hunting, but if he's not interested in competition that would be annoying having to attend minimum shoots every year to maintain the licence. If he uses them for clay competition he could try applying for CatC for competition use only but would require medical grounds explaining why he needs to use a CatC gun over a CatA gun.
He's already been issued with his approvals and permits
ob1 wrote:In short, too hard.
For handguns it will be training time/probation period whenever they decide ro run an induction of trainees after joining a club club then six months for first handgun. Then wait for second gun. Monthly storage fees with a dealer, then book fees, etc all the while. Finding a dealer who will be involved in the import process at a reasonable cost will be a good trick.
For longarms it will require suitable property letters for each, no public land hunting. Storage fees, etc again.
Lots of storage fees plus the associated application fees plus getting into a club. Add hours/weeks of associated dealing with government processes.
A nightmare in the making. A lot simpler to cash out then buy in Australia.
ob1 wrote:That may still be the case for clubs that are not practical pistol movement-based matches in WA, but the old days of one-to-one training are long gone from some of the bigger practical pistol clubs in WA and some of the other target clubs schedule holster proficiency courses several times a year.
Clubs are moving to a process of casual visit to scope things out, then book an initial visit and vetting for formal requirements, apply for membership and wait for acceptance at a committee meeting, then book the next available training course (which may be several months away). Overseas experience is unlikely to count and the training course is another cost.
Some commercial venues and smaller clubs may still be doing one-to-one. West Coast (SSAA) and Pine Valley (IPSC) are scheduled groups for practical pistol.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Make sure you tell your friend he can't open or conceal carry or even use self defence.
bladeracer wrote:Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Make sure you tell your friend he can't open or conceal carry or even use self defence.
We can use them for self defence, we can use anything, but we can't possess _anything_ for that specific purpose.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bladeracer wrote:Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Make sure you tell your friend he can't open or conceal carry or even use self defence.
We can use them for self defence, we can use anything, but we can't possess _anything_ for that specific purpose.
Yes you are correct. However the court case will be lengthy and is not a guaranteed sure thing.
Basically we have to use “reasonable force” under the circumstance as we don't have castle doctrine. If someone breaks into a house whilst being unarmed and you introduced a weapon you would have to explain to the court why you used disproportionate force.
Interestingly though in Queensland once you claim self defence the prosecution has the burden of proof put on them to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was not self defence. I find that interesting as I would of thought like most laws the individual has to prove.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Did you ever see Sheriff Grady Judd? When America had those riots a year ago he warned would be rioters that if they try to do that in his county they will get killed. His county is the safest place in America.
“the people of Polk County like guns, they have guns.”
“ I encourage them to own guns, and they’re going to be inside their homes tonight with their guns loaded. And if you try to break into their homes tonight and try to steal, to set fires, I’m highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns”.
https://www.wate.com/news/florida-sheri ... like-guns/