WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[Boundry Rider]

Someone needs to clean up this thread, 60% of it is a blatant waste of electricity

[geoff]

Someone needs to clean up this thread, 60% of it is a blatant waste of electricity

Only 60? You might be underquoting it

[niteowl]

Someone needs to clean up this thread, 60% of it is a blatant waste of electricity

Only 60? You might be underquoting it

[mickb]

You know, the mental health requirements. Yes there is no doubt there are troubled individuals who should not own firearms and unfortunately many have made news this year.

Mental health is a slippery slope, full of ignorance and fear.

But these new laws will prevent people from seeking help because of the worry of having anything on record.

I know i would never now even consider going on 'stress leave' at work. I have never done so before but it it sad that i now feel i never could.

This aspect of the laws and the ability for Cops to bully someone out of their guns based on their beliefs are the most worrying aspects for the reforms for me.

Pre-crime is a very slippery slope we are on now. I know a bloke who works on the mine with me, went in for a sleep apnea test at his wifes request for his snoring and lost his HR licence. The GP said he wakes up 60 times a night and isnt fit to drive trucks any more. This bloke couldnt even use his normal licence until it is sorted, had to get planed into work 3 days late this roster, Im talking literally this last week. Now he is fighting for his job and trying to get a second opinion from specialists. He has a perfect driving record for the record, crew supervisor, heavy and light stuff on mines for over 15 years.

Fellas lets be honest, the covid thing had people in two camps, one called the other dumb, the other group called the other crazy. One thing we can agree on is some weird crap is going down now. Kids able to have sex changes, little kids being taught at school how to mast*urbate, blokes with boobs dominating various female sports, bestiality laws in some countries being relaxed. mean seriously lol

There are laws changing every day now across the 1st world countries regards privacy, surveilance, security, pre-emptive crime the average bloke isnt even aware of because he is too busy watching funny cat videos on his smartphone.

Why this sudden overhaul of our way of life, did covid effect politicians brains?

[alexjones]

^^^ In regards to medical privacy that's my biggest hate with socialised medicine and Medicare is that everything is recorded and can be used against you. I opted out of that my heath nonsense(If that even makes a difference) and use private clinics were Medicare card is not required and pay 100% out of pocket for some of my medical requirements.

I have the currency, a company has the stuff I require and we make an agreed upon exchange. That is how business works it should not involve the government at all.

[mickb]

If you went back in time, just to 2013 or so and tried to convince people that within ten years little kids would be encouraged to get the chop, UK schools would be giving 8 year olds lessons on how to pleasure themslves, kids can choose to be dogs and bark at the teacher, and muscle bound drag queens were dominating womens sport, you would be locked up as a crazy conspiracy guy. Now just pointing this out makes you the crazy conspiracy guy.

[Oldbloke]

Sounds like Papalia isnt happy ATM.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/pap ... ead%20More

[Dess787]

Pre-crime is a very slippery slope we are on now. I know a bloke who works on the mine with me, went in for a sleep apnea test at his wifes request for his snoring and lost his HR licence. The GP said he wakes up 60 times a night and isnt fit to drive trucks any more. This bloke couldnt even use his normal licence until it is sorted, had to get planed into work 3 days late this roster, Im talking literally this last week. Now he is fighting for his job and trying to get a second opinion from specialists. He has a perfect driving record for the record, crew supervisor, heavy and light stuff on mines for over 15 years.

This is very sad to hear. It is indicative of a "cover my ass" culture nowadays in companies and senior positions and it is the everyday workers paying the price.

[animalpest]

Pre-crime is a very slippery slope we are on now. I know a bloke who works on the mine with me, went in for a sleep apnea test at his wifes request for his snoring and lost his HR licence. The GP said he wakes up 60 times a night and isnt fit to drive trucks any more. This bloke couldnt even use his normal licence until it is sorted, had to get planed into work 3 days late this roster, Im talking literally this last week. Now he is fighting for his job and trying to get a second opinion from specialists. He has a perfect driving record for the record, crew supervisor, heavy and light stuff on mines for over 15 years.

This is very sad to hear. It is indicative of a "cover my ass" culture nowadays in companies and senior positions and it is the everyday workers paying the price.

As an employer, I need to "cover my ass". I am not going to jail for a serious safety issue if it goes pear shaped and he has an accident while ignoring the GP's advice that he shouldn't drive. Its not just "everyday workers paying the price" but also employers who have responsibilities for the safety of all workers and others.

Get a second opinion.

[on_one_wheel]

The older I grow the better I get at memorising the last few lines of that eye chart before I'm even asked to cover an eye

Trouble kneeling, sore joints, aches, pains, back injuries .... Nope. None of their business.
s**t If I was honest nobody would employ me yet I'm still running rings around blokes half my age

[alexjones]

So the sister of that bloke who went on a rampage in the wheatbelt last month and shot himself says he was a good bloke and blames whoever sold him the gun and says she supports the governments new gun laws.

"I would love to know where he got the gun from because they should be held responsible," she said, adding that she supports the state government's gun law overhaul."

The bloke was a crackhead and bought the gun illegally. Selling ilegal guns is already a crime. How would the new laws of stopped that? These idiots vote is worth the same as ours......


https://www.9news.com.au/national/weste ... bb674ac84e

[1886]

But more to the point as I indicated earlier he SHOULD NOT have been out on bail to have been able to threaten those innocent people given his past record as below. That is where the blame should be as it's not a whole firearms issue as the dipsh*t Minister makes out. Even with threatening to kill he was given bail and then stole a firearm and went nuts.

His list of charges included having care or control of a child and engaged in conduct that was reckless and may result in that child suffering, urging or setting a dog to attack or chase any person or animal,

He was also charged with being armed or pretending to be armed in a way that may cause fear, obstructing officers, possessing a prohibited drug and drug paraphernalia,

Also faced a count of threated to kill, being armed or pretending to be armed in a way that may cause fear unlawful assault and thereby did bodily harm with aggravating circumstances

[Oldbloke]

But more to the point as I indicated earlier he SHOULD NOT have been out on bail to have been able to threaten those innocent people given his past record as below. That is where the blame should be as it's not a whole firearms issue as the dipsh*t Minister makes out. Even with threatening to kill he was given bail and then stole a firearm and went nuts.

His list of charges included having care or control of a child and engaged in conduct that was reckless and may result in that child suffering, urging or setting a dog to attack or chase any person or animal,

He was also charged with being armed or pretending to be armed in a way that may cause fear, obstructing officers, possessing a prohibited drug and drug paraphernalia,

Also faced a count of threated to kill, being armed or pretending to be armed in a way that may cause fear unlawful assault and thereby did bodily harm with aggravating circumstances

When this sort of thing happens they should sack the judge that let him out. That would change their cavalier attitude.
But will never happen.

[Dess787]

https://thewest.com.au/politics/state-p ... c-12726527

Oh yipppeee


WA Police Union members have voted in favour of running candidates at the 2025 State election, following on from the Australian Nurses Federation deciding to set up its own political party.

The motion was among dozens debated behind closed doors at the WA Police Union’s annual conference on Monday, with the results publicly released on Wednesday.

Candidates would be tasked with championing better pay and conditions for members, which were described as having been “greatly eroded over the past six years”.

Under Upper House reforms pushed through by the Labor Government in 2021, political parties will just need to secure around 2.6 per cent of the Statewide vote to win a seat in the Legislative Council.

Another motion calling for first responders to be made exempt from the State public sector wages policy - arguing frontline police officers regularly faced greater risks including injury and even death - was also carried.

Making the case, president Paul Gale pointed to WA Police suffering its worst attrition rate in more than 50 years in 2022-23, with many quitting for a less taxing job in the private sector - and asked why this was not sounding alarm bells in the State Government.

“We are regularly portrayed as just regular public sector workers but we’re not,” Mr Gale told reporters on the sidelines of the conference.

Moments later, Police Minister Paul Papalia dodged questions on whether an exemption was feasible, joking that the rest of the Cook Government probably wouldn’t trust him with controlling officers’ wages as he’d “give them anything they want, which is not the best approach”.

Members rejected a motion calling for disaffiliation with UnionsWA from the union’s Geraldton branch, which argued more must be done to restore the force’s apolitical status.

“WAPU has rejected numerous approaches to affiliate with UnionsWA over the years because of its partisan political foundation, activities, and inherent danger to compromise police duties,” the motion read.

“A recent example of this was the ‘Yes’ campaign, which was a political issue that divided the community. Members of this Branch opposed to the Voice vehemently object to this association.”

The motion also pointed to the militant Construction Forestry Mining Energy Union being a UnionsWA affiliate, citing media reports of “examples of abhorrent behaviour by their officials”.

These included a former member of the notorious Sword Boys street gang Edmond “Monty” Margjini, who has extensive criminal convictions including assault, trespass and property damage, and former CFMEU Queensland president David Arthur Hanna, who was in 2019 jailed for rape and corruption.

In his conference address, Premier Roger Cook committed to expanding the post-traumatic stress disorder “presumption” already afforded to firefighters and ambulance workers to police, meaning they will no longer have to “prove” they suffered debilitating mental injuries on the job when seeking workers’ compensation.

[Oldbloke]

Now SIFA isn't happy.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/gun-law/ ... w-reforms/

[on_one_wheel]

Awesome work from SIFA.

[Dess787]

If the laws do go through, i wonder if any gun stores will end up shutting down. Aside from less guns being able to be bought, the secondhand market will be flooded

[Oldbloke]

If the laws do go through, i wonder if any gun stores will end up shutting down. Aside from less guns being able to be bought, the secondhand market will be flooded

Yes. IMO the industry will be Fukd in WA.

And the the tax payers will pay increasing amounts for helicopters and pro shooters to reduce pests.
And the crime rates will be unchanged.

[alexjones]

There will be a huge influx of firearms on the secondhand market which will make their way to the east coast. Which could mean the cost of some firearms may come down if supply exceeds demand.

Where will the money go that WA firearm owners would of spent of firearms once these laws are implemented? Surely it will go into other industries.


Before 1996 there were so many tournaments and competitions for firearms that would bring in a lot of money to communities. Pubs, Hotels ,motels, etc. But the government does not care about destroying industries.

[Dess787]

Cost of firearms going down isn't good for us or the industry. If companies can not make decent profit, they will abandon Australia

Like them or hate them, it is impressive that Turkish companies like Sulun Arms,Adler and Buckmaster have made guns specifically for the Australian market. If they all leave, our options will be pitiful..

[Dess787]

How Ironic is this. WA is the only state you can buy Pepper spray legally lol

[Oldbloke]

How Ironic is this. WA is the only state you can buy Pepper spray legally lol

not for long tho

[mickb]

Pre-crime is a very slippery slope we are on now. I know a bloke who works on the mine with me, went in for a sleep apnea test at his wifes request for his snoring and lost his HR licence. The GP said he wakes up 60 times a night and isnt fit to drive trucks any more. This bloke couldnt even use his normal licence until it is sorted, had to get planed into work 3 days late this roster, Im talking literally this last week. Now he is fighting for his job and trying to get a second opinion from specialists. He has a perfect driving record for the record, crew supervisor, heavy and light stuff on mines for over 15 years.

This is very sad to hear. It is indicative of a "cover my ass" culture nowadays in companies and senior positions and it is the everyday workers paying the price.

As an employer, I need to "cover my ass". I am not going to jail for a serious safety issue if it goes pear shaped and he has an accident while ignoring the GP's advice that he shouldn't drive. Its not just "everyday workers paying the price" but also employers who have responsibilities for the safety of all workers and others.

No one said the bloke is ignoring any advice, just the advice itself stinks and is terribly inconsistent.

I'd agree its both everyday workers and everyday business owners like yourself paying the price for this crapola

[Dess787]

Just what we don't need going into February

https://www.news.com.au/national/wester ... 7ba15348ce

A man has been charged following a chaotic police chase where officers were allegedly fired upon with a rifle, with dramatic footage capturing the moment he allegedly pointed it at a police helicopter.

[Tank]

More grist to their mill…..
Mental illness and societal collapse being the real issue….
But we all must know the true agenda(?)

[Lazarus]

More grist to their mill…..
Mental illness and societal collapse being the real issue….
But we all must know the true agenda(?)

That there is an agenda behind these ever tightening restrictions on our legal activity, there is little doubt.

As to the nature of that agenda, that's up for debate.

I'm not(yet) in the cohort who think every new law is a move by some mythical deep state towards our slavery.
I believe the agenda is far more prosaic.

Votes

Most Australians don't own a firearm, many have never seen one in person with the exception of those worn by cops, and many allow whatever mouthpiece makes the most noise, or scares them the most to influence ther decisions on subjects about which they know nothing.

The vote whores we elect know this and see it as a well of opportunity.

Stir up the gullible, the ignorant, the selfish, and reap the votes for it.
That's the agenda in Oz, what the agenda is in the 4th Reich, otherwise known as WA, is probably darker.
I'd rather live in Somalia.

[Dess787]

Apparently it was a Bikie, that is good news. Bikie's committing gun crimes on cops is fine.

[mchughcb]

Just what we don't need going into February

https://www.news.com.au/national/wester ... 7ba15348ce

A man has been charged following a chaotic police chase where officers were allegedly fired upon with a rifle, with dramatic footage capturing the moment he allegedly pointed it at a police helicopter.

Amazing. Here down the road from me, seconds before a cop shoots somebody point blank with a rubber bullet in the chest.

[Dess787]

When the new laws go through Parliament in February, do the public (us) get to see details of what is being submitted for approval ? or do we need to wait until it has gone through the process before we see the new laws ?

[Oldbloke]

When the new laws go through Parliament in February, do the public (us) get to see details of what is being submitted for approval ? or do we need to wait until it has gone through the process before we see the new laws ?

IIRC the state parliament Web sites list "bills" so should be able to download a pdf of the bill.