WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[bladeracer]

"Tighter storage requirements' for WA? They already have to store empty brass cases to the same level as loaded ammunition / firearms...

This is incorrect, but they do have to secure bullets to the same security standard as their firearms.

[Oldbloke]

Don't argue.
Just get a gigantic chain saw.

[bladeracer]

Don't argue.
Just get a gigantic chain saw.

Should have seceded decades ago, then they could've formed their only legally-elected government and destroyed their own little country in whatever way they see fit...and make sure they can't emigrate to Australia without strict political background checks when they finally get sick of being told how they must live under that regime.

[alexjones]

I still prefer WA over VIC. In my mind VIC should be top of the list to succeed. VIC is full of freedom hating commies. WA is mostly just full of apolitical people AKA sheep.

Taking about succession though. Take away brisbane, sydney and melbourne and join the remaining area together, that would be one pretty cool country. Would have good freedom gun laws and a lot of industry.

Capital city could be cairns or something like that.

Once you leave the capital cities nearly everybody in the regions wants to just be left alone to live their life without harming others.

[bladeracer]

I still prefer WA over VIC. In my mind VIC should be top of the list to succeed. VIC is full of freedom hating commies. WA is mostly just full of apolitical people AKA sheep.

Taking about succession though. Take away brisbane, sydney and melbourne and join the remaining area together, that would be one pretty cool country. Would have good freedom gun laws and a lot of industry.

Capital city could be cairns or something like that.

Once you leave the capital cities nearly everybody in the regions wants to just be left alone to live their life without harming others.

Victoria is the only state that has millions of acres of public land open to hunting and shooting, all year round, for free. The only place to be if you enjoy hunting and shooting I reckon. You don't have public land in Qld so perhaps you don't know what you're missing, but I reckon it's pretty amazing. NSW will allow you to hunt public land, after you pay for and sit an additional licence, and book ahead every time you want to go bush, but they don't require a deer licence up there.

[Oldbloke]

Umm, Western Victoria looses a most of SF to NP in 2030.

There is still a push to convert about half of the remaining to NP.

IMO in 15 - 20 years we will be identical to QLD

[bladeracer]

Umm, Western Victoria looses a most of SF to NP in 2030.

There is still a push to convert about half of the remaining to NP.

IMO in 15 - 20 years we will be identical to QLD

I can't disagree with you on that, but for now we're still in a much better position than Qld.

[Florey55]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

[Wapiti]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

Mate, contact them and voice your concerns, but ask first what they are doing before accusing them of anything.
Then jump on here and inform others what they can do to join in.

[Faedy]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

Really - are you an active member?
If so you would/should know that they can't do a thing until it is law and the legislation has finished being written.
KC's are waiting ti begin action that very day.

[bladeracer]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

Really - are you an active member?
If so you would/should know that they can't do a thing until it is law and the legislation has finished being written.
KC's are waiting ti begin action that very day.

I thought they already had the buyback?

[Coxy383]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

Really - are you an active member?
If so you would/should know that they can't do a thing until it is law and the legislation has finished being written.
KC's are waiting ti begin action that very day.

I thought they already had the buyback?

Yep won't even get the 500 now. And every gun listed on used guns in WA wants top dollar. Sell to us eastern states boys but your going to have to take a hit on them.

[Oldbloke]

Ummm, hasn't the new Act been passed in both houses yet?

[Oldbloke]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

[bladeracer]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

[Wapiti]

My wife gave me a t-shirt that says "I lost my guns in a boating accident".

Be a lot of good guns going out the cop-shop back doors I bet...

[Oldbloke]

My wife gave me a t-shirt that says "I lost my guns in a boating accident".

Be a lot of good guns going out the cop-shop back doors I bet...

That's how Martin Bryant got them.

[alexjones]

My wife gave me a t-shirt that says "I lost my guns in a boating accident".

Be a lot of good guns going out the cop-shop back doors I bet...

That's how Martin Bryant got them.

Not directly how he got it. But indirectly.

The armalite AR10 he bought from an add in the paper and the Colt SP1 carbine and daewoo shotgun he says he bought from terry hill a gun dealer. Terry hill never admitted to selling martin the guns. He said he only sold him shotgun ammo which he remembers martin showing him a licence but he remembers the name being martin ryan not bryant. He also said martin dropped the ar10 off for repairs because it was jammed with 223 ammo in it not 308. The SLR they have no idea how he got it and he never admitted to owning it. They also found an Australian automatic arms rifle in martins hallway when the raided his house which he also never admitted to owning or how he got it. Terry Hill was given immunity from prosecution and he still did not admit to selling the guns to Martin so I believe him.


Bill Drysdale a farmer handed in the Colt SP1 carbine in 1987 when communist John Cain stole the guns. It was marked as destroyed but used by Victorian police SOG for training. In 1994 it was sold by the police on to a Bendigo gun dealer and was to be sent overseas for sale. However somehow it ended up in Tasmania.

[Barbarian]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

Part 10 of the bill as passed still allows for the surrender of a firearm at a police station and makes no distinction about the licensed status of the firearm but the buyback specifically ended.

I’m not doing or changing anything till I see the new regulations published and decide what my options are.

[Barbarian]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

Part 10 of the bill as passed still allows for the surrender of a firearm at a police station and makes no distinction about the licensed status of the firearm but the buyback specifically ended.

I’m not doing or changing anything till I see the new regulations published and decide what my options are.

[alexjones]

Extortion: the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats

If we do this we go to jail. So much for basic human rights of property.

[bladeracer]

At the pistol club yesterday some guys were saying WA just banned handloading last week. I haven't seen anything in that regard yet, is this true?

[alexjones]

At the pistol club yesterday some guys were saying WA just banned handloading last week. I haven't seen anything in that regard yet, is this true?

Wasn't there talk about banning owning manuals or books on repairing or manufacturing guns? Maybe they were referring to that and they were misinformed? As having load data and such could be seen as manufacturing thus making reloading ilegal?

It is hard to keep track of what is happening in WA. So much conjecture and nothing appears to be law yet.

[alexjones]

Why aren't the useless SSAA launching a class action on the behalf of WA shooters so they can be correctly compensated ?

Receiving $500 for something you paid $10K + for is damn unfair..

I agree, I wouldn't take the $500. Wait and see. I'd bet they will pay a fairer amount if you wait.

I thought the amnesty ended when the buyback ended? Now when the legislation goes through if you still own the firearms they simply come and take them for destruction.

Am I crazy to think that it was a scare to make people hand in guns before it even becomes law because IT WONT BECOME LAW. There will be some kind of grandfather clause for the ones who held the line. Everyone who handed in their guns did it voluntary before it was even a law. In my mind only a limp wrist does something like that.

Is that a to out there theory?

[bladeracer]

At the pistol club yesterday some guys were saying WA just banned handloading last week. I haven't seen anything in that regard yet, is this true?

Wasn't there talk about banning owning manuals or books on repairing or manufacturing guns? Maybe they were referring to that and they were misinformed? As having load data and such could be seen as manufacturing thus making reloading ilegal?

It is hard to keep track of what is happening in WA. So much conjecture and nothing appears to be law yet.

Yes, my assumption was that they were mistaken but I did some Googling when I got home and couldn't find any such announcement. I follow enough political and shooting groups that I would expect such an announcement would've popped up for me somewhere.

[Wapiti]

Story goes now that Albanese and Labor are now going to hit WA hard with funding like Miles did in Qld... they see that Labor have disrespected everybody in WA and enough of a majority now hate Gaybor with a passion, enough to lose them government.
They saw the disgust Qld'ers have for socialist government now.
So go in hard people, support the Nats that stick up for you and make sure you tell the hopeless Libs what you expect too...

[alexjones]

Story goes now that Albanese and Labor are now going to hit WA hard with funding like Miles did in Qld... they see that Labor have disrespected everybody in WA and enough of a majority now hate Gaybor with a passion, enough to lose them government.
They saw the disgust Qld'ers have for socialist government now.
So go in hard people, support the Nats that stick up for you and make sure you tell the hopeless Libs what you expect too...

So far with 70% of the vote counted labor has 33% of the vote and the greens 9%. Thats nearly 40% of the state. So as much as I hate socialists that is not showing disgust thats 40% of the people who are scumbags or at minimum apathetic.

[Wapiti]

Story goes now that Albanese and Labor are now going to hit WA hard with funding like Miles did in Qld... they see that Labor have disrespected everybody in WA and enough of a majority now hate Gaybor with a passion, enough to lose them government.
They saw the disgust Qld'ers have for socialist government now.
So go in hard people, support the Nats that stick up for you and make sure you tell the hopeless Libs what you expect too...

So far with 70% of the vote counted labor has 33% of the vote and the greens 9%. Thats nearly 40% of the state. So as much as I hate socialists that is not showing disgust thats 40% of the people who are scumbags!

Who's using the word "scumbags"?
I call to your attention how may seats just changed hands from Labor to the LNP?
Might even be a KAP seat yet.
AFAIAC this is exactly the result I reckon it is.

[alexjones]

Story goes now that Albanese and Labor are now going to hit WA hard with funding like Miles did in Qld... they see that Labor have disrespected everybody in WA and enough of a majority now hate Gaybor with a passion, enough to lose them government.
They saw the disgust Qld'ers have for socialist government now.
So go in hard people, support the Nats that stick up for you and make sure you tell the hopeless Libs what you expect too...

So far with 70% of the vote counted labor has 33% of the vote and the greens 9%. Thats nearly 40% of the state. So as much as I hate socialists that is not showing disgust thats 40% of the people who are scumbags!

Who's using the word "scumbags"?
I call to your attention how may seats just changed hands from Labor to the LNP?
Might even be a KAP seat yet.
AFAIAC this is exactly the result I reckon it is.

I am using the word scumbag! For the 40% of the people who voted for greens and labor.

Campbell Newman in 2012 left labor with like 12 seats. That was a hiding. Labor now has like 31 seats still. The election was not really a hiding and was kind of close.
Lnp at 42% of the vote to labor 33% with only a 7% swing against labor.

[Wapiti]

7% is a pretty fair swing. I didn't get my way, but we high-fived alright.
LNP has 51 seats, maybe gain another or two, and Labor has dropped to 33. They've been caned.

And yeah, I'm disappointed at the percentage still voting Labor/Greens (even though the Greens have suffered a lot), but I'm starting to agree that the divide between city and country isn't getting any smaller.
Hopefully, WA people that have also suffered under Labor will make the most of the time they have left and make some noise. The alternative Govt there must be tasting blood, if they don't then they are hopeless. They need to be told that to get the votes they need, they have to listen. Didn't 30,000 people sign an e-petition against these WA gun laws? There's a start, all of them are looking for a leader, and a place to put 1 next to.