Anchors for gun safes - new WA regulations

[Oldbloke]

"you can move a 500kg safe easily around with one person,"

Agree.

But if you live on the third floor of a unit, your in trouble. Same if your house is timber.

[Wapiti]

So I'd have to add a stolen sledge hammer to the list to smash some bricks out to so I can choke the safe and rip part of the wall out with the safe

You got it in one mate.
These new requirements are all bullsh*t, and they are either:
1. Dreamed up by the dumbest, most parasitic taxpayer leeches there ever was, or
2. Deliberately designed to make them impossible to comply with by most folks by evil, narcissistic monsters who want to be able to control every facet of your lives.

[Wapiti]

"you can move a 500kg safe easily around with one person,"

Agree.

But if you live on the third floor of a unit, your in trouble. Same if your house is timber.

Absolutely, exactly what these new requirements are designed to do - make it impossible.

So, people, find a way. Do not give up.

[alexjones]

So I'd have to add a stolen sledge hammer to the list to smash some bricks out to so I can choke the safe and rip part of the wall out with the safe

You got it in one mate.
These new requirements are all bullsh*t, and they are either:
1. Dreamed up by the dumbest, most parasitic taxpayer leeches there ever was, or
2. Deliberately designed to make them impossible to comply with by most folks by evil, narcissistic monsters who want to be able to control every facet of your lives.

Its the 2nd one mate.

They are not stupid. They are cunning, deceiving and tyrants of the highest order.

They know exactly what they are doing.

[Oldbloke]

100kn is 10,197 kg
Yet,
A 500kg safe is acceptable?

Could it be its a miss print and should be 10kn?

Wishful thinking?

Has to be intended to screw us.

[Wapiti]

Yes, so there you go. Doesn't make sense, does it.

I agree that firearms security is very important, nowadays especially, because of how society has deteriorated.
Those of you old enough to remember the 70's when guns sat in cupboards and were not to be touched or a beating would result, and houses were left unlocked.
The politicians and the "pass me another little XX" judges are solely responsible worldwide for the deteriorating of societal values that have resulted in the perverted society we now have to endure.

But there comes a point where extra security is pointless because anyone with any practical knowledge and skills will defeat it just as easily as a Bunnings Land-of-China cheapie made from melted down bicycles.
Unfortunately, the people that are elected by the ones now suffering are the lowest forms of human life, exerting their own fears, desperate need for power and own perversions against them.

[stihl88]

100 kN of force is equal to 10 tonnes of weight, but in real-world scenarios, pulling out a bolted-down safe depends on how the force is applied. If lifted straight up, a crane would need to exert the full 100 kN. However, if a car is pulling the safe horizontally, the required force depends on traction, torque, and anchor strength. A typical 1,500 kg car might generate only 10–15 kN in a strong pull, far below the needed force to rip out properly anchored bolts.

For example, a 2,500 kg 4WD in a controlled pull could generate around 20–30 kN of force, depending on traction and gearing. If using a snatch strap or a high-speed yank, the shock load could briefly exceed 50 kN but would still likely fall short of 100 kN in a single pull. To overcome properly anchored M16 bolts in 55 MPa concrete, multiple high-force pulls or structural failure (such as cracking the concrete) would likely be required. If you’re going to the trouble of installing anchors, increasing bolt size provides an exponential increase in strength, upgrading from a 10mm to a 16mm bolt drastically improves load capacity and resistance, making it well worth the effort for long-term security. However, bolt strength is only as good as the foundation it’s anchored into, weak concrete or poor installation can compromise even the strongest bolts, making high-quality concrete just as important as the bolt itself.

[noneyabussiness]

the above... or the courts do their job and actually lock up the criminals that are doing these things... oh wait, that takes actual leadership...

[bigrich]

the above... or the courts do their job and actually lock up the criminals that are doing these things... oh wait, that takes actual leadership...

leadership has been missing for a long time in this country . he might not have made the smartest choices , but in my opinion bob hawke was the last true man of the people we had . i'd almost forgive him for being labor , almost

[Oldbloke]

the above... or the courts do their job and actually lock up the criminals that are doing these things... oh wait, that takes actual leadership...

leadership has been missing for a long time in this country . he might not have made the smartest choices , but in my opinion bob hawke was the last true man of the people we had . i'd almost forgive him for being labor , almost

And these are the best we can do.

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[Wapiti]

100 kN of force is equal to 10 tonnes of weight, but in real-world scenarios, pulling out a bolted-down safe depends on how the force is applied. If lifted straight up, a crane would need to exert the full 100 kN. However, if a car is pulling the safe horizontally, the required force depends on traction, torque, and anchor strength. A typical 1,500 kg car might generate only 10–15 kN in a strong pull, far below the needed force to rip out properly anchored bolts.

For example, a 2,500 kg 4WD in a controlled pull could generate around 20–30 kN of force, depending on traction and gearing. If using a snatch strap or a high-speed yank, the shock load could briefly exceed 50 kN but would still likely fall short of 100 kN in a single pull. To overcome properly anchored M16 bolts in 55 MPa concrete, multiple high-force pulls or structural failure (such as cracking the concrete) would likely be required. If you’re going to the trouble of installing anchors, increasing bolt size provides an exponential increase in strength, upgrading from a 10mm to a 16mm bolt drastically improves load capacity and resistance, making it well worth the effort for long-term security. However, bolt strength is only as good as the foundation it’s anchored into, weak concrete or poor installation can compromise even the strongest bolts, making high-quality concrete just as important as the bolt itself.

The further above the rear fasteners the straps are, the less force will be required. Additionally, if the safe is only fixed at the base and the pull is at the top of a 1500mm safe, again the force required will be less again. I'm not even going to bother to apply the formulae, it's pointless because the excuses for it are so pathetic.
Actually, it will be more pointless because as I've said, most safes are thicker in the door and sides to satisfy politicians, but the thin floor and backs will just have the nuts and washers pull right through before the supposed essential concrete or fasteners yield.
Washers must be 50mm in diameter... yeah good one stupid, unfortunately they're made of 3mm Chinese cheddar cheese. Rip, pop.

[niteowl]

they look like they would cost more than what you could fill them with...

NUP, if you knew what is in them.