KC engaged to fight new WA gun laws

[Oldbloke]

I recieved an email from WA Fox Busters a few days ago and just opened. As I suggested sometime back get lawyers involved.

Well someone seems to be doing just that.

Suggest all WA members have a gander.

Just passing it on boys. I hope it's legit.



Dear fellow fox hunters

I heard today that if firearm owners and firearm dealers that still have banned firearms such as button release shotguns by the end of March, police will seize the firearm and prosecute the owner with no warning. There is a likelihood of other firearms being banned with no notice as well. If you are a state other than WA, be aware your state government and police may follow what has happened with our Firearm Laws. (see attached) Be careful who you vote for in the next election.

“Lady Liberty” is making plans to fight WA firearm laws in court, https://ladyliberty.com.au/blogs/shooti ... the-courts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARNld5U2QnM&t=42s

If you care about her cause, consider financial support.


Good luck

Graham

[Wapiti]

It's a con.

[geoff]

Yep this is just the same old grift you see all over niche interest groups

Kate fentanyl isn't fighting anyone. She's taking donations to get a letter written up, probably one that tells us what we already know (that it's a perfectly valid law of the land).

She isn't going to court, there isn't going to be some big dramatic scene where a small town lawyer finishes up slamming the photocopier and yells IT'S MABO ITS THE CONSTITUTION ITS THE VIBE

[Oldbloke]

Well, that's a shame. Bugger.

Still, got me beat how they can confiscate without fair compensation.

[geoff]

Well, that's a shame. Bugger.

Still, got me beat how they can confiscate without fair compensation.

Because legally they haven't confiscated anything. They've:

- Offered a voluntary buyback (at criminal rates, mind you)
- Given shooters the opportunity to sell (in a completely flooded market with limited freight options)
- Given you the option of getting it rendered
- Given you the option of disposing of it through a dealer
- Now they've given us a "replacement swap" onto your licence e.g. straight swap with no fees a lever release for a bolt action

It's all absolute nonsense, don't get me wrong. I'm not defending it at all. But I'm also not lying to you to scam donations - anyone telling you they are gonna challenge it in court is selling you up the garden path

[on_one_wheel]

I don't want to fund her next holiday

[Wapiti]

There is some pretty damning information on this woman. Best suggestion is to do the research before posting up stuff supporting this new con.
People dont waste your money.
It does look like, from some YouTube video channels, that in desperation, and in times of such distress for people, that many are losing more money in this scam.

[No1_49er]

I don't know the woman or anything of her "history", but I'd be careful WRT defamation/libel law.
Maybe comment would be best reserved until after the date she has suggested her update from the KC is announced.
Just sayin'.

49er

[Oldbloke]

Well, if it's a scam:

It's a low act.
A bloody shame because shooters in WA seem to be getting screwed big time

[geoff]

I don't know the woman or anything of her "history", but I'd be careful WRT defamation/libel law.
Maybe comment would be best reserved until after the date she has suggested her update from the KC is announced.
Just sayin'.

49er

Hard disagree. She is preying on a group of people who feel vulnerable and subjected to unfair treatment, for her own silly grift.

She knows what she's doing

People are giving her big dollars - it's important that we stop that imo

[Wapiti]

Well, if it's a scam:

It's a low act.
A bloody shame because shooters in WA seem to be getting screwed big time

You spend a lot of time on other forums. Suggest you look at another one for all the real history, with suggestionsfor you do look up that have led to so many people's distrust here, and links to where and what all these donations are allegedly only going towards.

The horse has bolted, at least with the current organisational and practical possibilities.

[Oldbloke]

Well, if it's a scam:

It's a low act.
A bloody shame because shooters in WA seem to be getting screwed big time

You spend a lot of time on other forums. Suggest you look at another one for all the real history, with suggestionsfor you do look up that have led to so many people's distrust here, and links to where and what all these donations are allegedly only going towards.

The horse has bolted, at least with the current organisational and practical possibilities.

Not certain what your getting at.

Inclined to think I'm sorry I posted it.

Perhaps next time I won't bother.

Who knows what that will be?

[Over The Hill]

No more of a scam than the several firearms groups that I joined and paid a couple of years subscriptions to on the promises of supporting WA firearms owners and fighting the "proposed" law changes. As far as I am concerned they just took the money and did nothing other than a few pathetic bleats and a bit of sabre rattling. I don't see any group that isn't running its own agenda which may be aligned with some but definitely not all. That's the problem with shooters in general, there are too many different interest groups that each think they are more important than the rest. anyone who thinks that shooters will unite en mass under a common banner are deluding themselves. The attitudes of WA shooters is just a microcosm of the whole country so best you buckle up boys because when the focus moves to the next state I dont think you will see the level of support you think you're going to get from your fellow shooters. Im sure there wil be plenty of noise from a few affected factions but only time will tell in the end.

[Oldbloke]

No more of a scam than the several firearms groups that I joined and paid a couple of years subscriptions to on the promises of supporting WA firearms owners and fighting the "proposed" law changes. As far as I am concerned they just took the money and did nothing other than a few pathetic bleats and a bit of sabre rattling. I don't see any group that isn't running its own agenda which may be aligned with some but definitely not all. That's the problem with shooters in general, there are too many different interest groups that each think they are more important than the rest. anyone who thinks that shooters will unite en mass under a common banner are deluding themselves. The attitudes of WA shooters is just a microcosm of the whole country so best you buckle up boys because when the focus moves to the next state I dont think you will see the level of support you think you're going to get from your fellow shooters. Im sure there wil be plenty of noise from a few affected factions but only time will tell in the end.

True I did same.

[alexjones]

This is why paying lawyers to write letters is BS! The only thing that matters is people showing their disdain. That's why the rally was so important. 90k gun owners each with several family members would be a crowd in the hundreds of thousands. A sit in of hundreds of thousands of people in the middle of Perth is a powerful show of unity that sends a message. Not paying a lawyer to write a letter that gets ripped up by some commie clerk at the police ministers office.

Again WA gun owners can cry all they want about how it would make no difference but they have a defeatist attitude. Even if it does make no difference its called being a man.

[Wapiti]

It's as ridiculous as someone saying "I ditched my SSAA membership because I didn't see them being politically active enough" or "i only hunt on me mates place so i stopped paying for my membership" or "I can hunt on crown land so my moneys better spent on home brew supplies"

Then when the sh*t hits the fan, people either scramble to join or start whining. Too late then.

[Wapiti]

This is why paying lawyers to write letters is BS! The only thing that matters is people showing their disdain. That's why the rally was so important. 90k gun owners each with several family members would be a crowd in the hundreds of thousands. A sit in of hundreds of thousands of people in the middle of Perth is a powerful show of unity that sends a message. Not paying a lawyer to write a letter that gets ripped up by some commie clerk at the police ministers office.

Again WA gun owners can cry all they want about how it would make no difference but they have a defeatist attitude. Even if it does make no difference its called being a man.

You are 100% correct, but I know you're just talking to hardwood fence posts with ears just painted on.
Online polls, posts on gun forums or any other social media wasn't such a great achievement, like some said it'd play out.
Can't call you a "Mondays expert", because you've been saying that all this time.

A huge crowd, supported by all affected, with just one or two family members along, at a legally permitted protest meeting, scares the micro-equipped politicians all the way to their loosening sphincters. Imagine the news around the world, mate.

[Coxy383]

It's a con.

Been watching her from the start. It's not a con at all. What makes you say that? WhereS your proof.

[Coxy383]

I don't think anyone here replying has actually watched the content lady liberty has put up? Because nothing you guys have said even remotely comes close to what she is doing or Howa it's been gone about. Maybe actually watch a few .

[Wapiti]

Like I said, look at the historical facts, not the shiny coat of paint on the rotton walls. I'm not going to be drawn into a potential legal predicament to educate you.
Nothing like a tragedy to make people open their wallets.

[Coxy383]

Like I said, look at the historical facts, not the shiny coat of paint on the rotton walls. I'm not going to be drawn into a potential legal predicament to educate you.
Nothing like a tragedy to make people open their wallets.

So on this topic your answer is no you haven't watched her videos and have no idea what she is doing. Ok have a good one

[on_one_wheel]

Nothing like a tragedy to make people open their wallets.

I literally fell into that trap with a go fund me set up by a human (inhumane) resources manager on a mine sites after one of the miners wife crashed her car and lost one of her twin boys in the accident.
I donated very generously.
Eventually we all learned that she took the money and went on am overseas trip with her daughter.
Her only punishment was being fired.

[Oldbloke]

Well, credit to you

[safeshot]

Kate, 'Lady Liberty' has had minor wins with the govt now reinstalling buy back and to have those whose property was taken to be paid.

Btw I have written to the new minister ([email protected]) and recently his office told me they had received 30+ letters and the ministerial office in Parliament have received over 300.

I understand this is her latest update.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAWcDfyF_YQ

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and where has SSAA been?

[Wapiti]

Like I said, look at the historical facts, not the shiny coat of paint on the rotton walls. I'm not going to be drawn into a potential legal predicament to educate you.
Nothing like a tragedy to make people open their wallets.

So on this topic your answer is no you haven't watched her videos and have no idea what she is doing. Ok have a good one

Yes I've watched all her videos. If you're perving at what I'm doing through the blinds, you need new glasses.

[geoff]

A fringe lunatic YouTuber is not even on the Ministers, or the Commissioners, radar. Absolutely howling at her taking an inch of credit there

[bigrich]

well , after reading all your posts on this young lady , i took a look at her online profile , youtube video's . i couldn't find anything negative . if she's engaged lawyers to influence a reintroduction for fair compensation, that's better than it was . if letters to police commissioners and others in government add weight to getting these laws repealed, or at least some real consultation with shooters that's also better .

all i see from some off you is pessimism and ragging on the young lady . what have YOU done ? what has SSAA done on a political/legal level? i came across a article by ssaa on her as a liberal democrats candidate for the upcoming election .
i also came across a greens group saying to put her last on the ballot paper . so she must be good
as well as articles by "the australian" and other media outlets bringing attention to the public about unfair railroading gun laws. SU does excellent work , but their not trying to get onto main stream media as a PR campaign like lady liberty

can anyone name somebody/organization who's stood up and done more to get the firearms laws issues out to the general public ? in this modern world public opinion matters to politicians , and youtube "influencers" can shape public opinion , specially with younger generations. or are we going to remain a rabble that argues amongst ourselves , too petty and pessimistic to unite as a group for our best interests.

to me , it seems she's taking action . as a woman it's also harder for the media to troll her , some crusty middle aged/elderly male gun owner is easy to stereotype and denounce by the media. she's the next generation of shooters trying to stick up for everyone , and i can't believe the attitudes of some on this forum . as it stands gun ownership in this country will die with divided crusty old men if action isn't taken .

good on her i reckon

[Coxy383]

Well, that's a shame. Bugger.

Still, got me beat how they can confiscate without fair compensation.

Why straight out believe these two guys...don't. This forum is nothing has nothing but a bunch of winging dicks. If they actually watched the videos, read what's happening. And listened to a few other channels who completely have her back you would see what's happening. Pathetic little forum with half a dozen trolls doing all the commenting.....f*** this place

[animalpest]

Well, that's a shame. Bugger.

Still, got me beat how they can confiscate without fair compensation.

Why straight out believe these two guys...don't. This forum is nothing has nothing but a bunch of winging dicks. If they actually watched the videos, read what's happening. And listened to a few other channels who completely have her back you would see what's happening. Pathetic little forum with half a dozen trolls doing all the commenting.....f*** this place

Glad you enjoy it.

[on_one_wheel]

Well, that's a shame. Bugger.

Still, got me beat how they can confiscate without fair compensation.

Why straight out believe these two guys...don't. This forum is nothing has nothing but a bunch of winging dicks. If they actually watched the videos, read what's happening. And listened to a few other channels who completely have her back you would see what's happening. Pathetic little forum with half a dozen trolls doing all the commenting.....f*** this place

f*** you to
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.