Rick Mazza at it again

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Rick Mazza at it again

Post by MeccaOz » 18 Jul 2014, 10:24 am

License Fee's!

Mazza shoots down firearm licence fees

FIREARM license fees have come under attack from Shooters and Fishers Party Upper House Member Rick Mazza ,who moved a disallowance motion in parliament last month.

It was the second time in less than 12 months Mr Mazza had resorted to moving the motion as discontent with increasing fees continued.

On July 1 last year, firearm licence application fees went up by as much as 147 per cent as part of the Police Department's plans to recoup costs.

Following the outrage at the department's fee rises, the State Government announced its intention to have the law reform commission review the Firearms Act 1973.

But Mr Mazza said it was now made clear a report from the Law Reform Commission wouldn't be available until September 2015.

"I moved the disallowance motion in September last year and nothing has happened since then," he said.

"There was a promise of a review of the act and nothing has been done."

To add insult to injury Mr Mazza said there had been another increase on July 1 this year.

"They raised the fees again this year and while they are only incremental increases, there has been no improvement to services," he said.

"The bottom line is there was supposed to be changes made to make the department more efficient and that hasn't happened."

According to Mr Mazza, firearm licence fees in WA were out of whack with fees in other States and a review would make WA's system more modernised and force the reduction of the fee to be consistent with other States.

Liberal Member for Southern River Peter Abetz, last year chaired a report into firearm regulations and said he wouldn't expect any change in legislation before 2016.

"It is disappointing this has taken so long but the wheels of government turn exceedingly slowly," he said.

"The downside is these exorbitant fees will continue to be in place for at least another year."

Acting Police Minister John Day said the Law Reform Commissioner has been requested to undertake a full and thorough examination of the Firearms Act in accordance with its terms of reference, which includes a public consultation process.

"The review will result in a detailed report and recommendations for any changes to the Firearms Act," he said.

"The current fee structure is based on the recovery of costs to run the system.

"Until the review is completed the State Government is not prepared to comment on any possible outcome or impacts on fee structures. "


http://www.farmweekly.com.au/news/agriculture/agribusiness/general-news/mazza-shoots-down-firearm-licence-fees/2705336.aspx
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Post by MeccaOz » 18 Jul 2014, 11:44 am

It still has me stuffed.. Apparently shooters arent really people who pay taxes anyway ???
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Post by Shotfox » 18 Jul 2014, 1:18 pm

Mecca - What the hell is going on over there with fees??? You guys need to collectively wack the SSAA for support on this and get some action going
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Post by MeccaOz » 18 Jul 2014, 2:32 pm

They are using the "User Pays" system .. Even if we do pay tax, and they bring in some bulls**t licensing scheme that makes each step of the application go through the same hands several times ... So basically we have to pay for there wages and computer systems, time etc etc etc
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Post by Shotfox » 18 Jul 2014, 2:39 pm

I see. ? I think ? :shock: Charging an hourly rate it seems.I still think the SSAA should be on their case and support you guys.
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Post by MeccaOz » 18 Jul 2014, 2:47 pm

I agree shotfox .. And I am a member of the SSAA, but with Rick in power we all tend to gravitate toward him I guess (He is actually really easy to chat to) But I might send the SSAA El Presidente in WA an email too and see if there getting up them like happy hour at Hay st
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Post by Kater » 19 Jul 2014, 1:07 pm

Shotfox wrote:I still think the SSAA should be on their case and support you guys.


I'm having trouble getting behind the SSAA these days.

Other than the occasional letter I'm not sure what they're doing for us...

Tough when they're the only body though I guess. Who else do you back to try and help yourself...
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Post by lole » 19 Jul 2014, 1:07 pm

We need to get some of the NRA bigwigs down here to show them how it's done! :)
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Post by Bark » 19 Jul 2014, 1:09 pm

Kater wrote:I'm having trouble getting behind the SSAA these days.


You're not the only one.

Plenty of subscriptions getting cancelled from reading comments around the place.
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Post by MeccaOz » 19 Jul 2014, 1:26 pm

I cant say Im a huge fan of them, they seem to have sold out to a certain degree. But in some cases they are a means to an end, so I will back them, until a better option comes along.. Even then i'll prolly still back them, as they are technically on our side.
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Post by Bark » 21 Jul 2014, 4:20 pm

I'd just like to see a few more wins for the sport and a few less advertisements in a magazine.

When was the last "victory" the SSAA can claim for shooters?

Seriously... I want to know if someone can tell me.
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Post by bm777 » 26 Aug 2014, 3:44 pm

Shotfox wrote:Mecca - What the hell is going on over there with fees??? You guys need to collectively wack the SSAA for support on this and get some action going

Yeah, we pay hefty fees to the SSAA and they sit on their butts, wish we had a body like the NRA in the US..they kick arse for sure!
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Post by 1290 » 26 Aug 2014, 5:45 pm

Funny think is what Mazza means in Italian (probably dialect).....

As far as ssaa goes, the 96 PAM laws were a veritable bonanza for them, shooters were compelled to join up if they wanted a licence, of course there were limited alternatives but show me the $$$$$$ :roll:
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Post by Shotfox » 27 Aug 2014, 6:57 am

1290 wrote:Funny think is what Mazza means in Italian (probably dialect).....

As far as ssaa goes, the 96 PAM laws were a veritable bonanza for them, shooters were compelled to join up if they wanted a licence, of course there were limited alternatives but show me the $$$$$$ :roll:


Agree 1290 it was a certain bonanza. Latley the SSAA seems to be turning into a paper tiger when it comes to action and here is a case where support is needed in WA for a fair go on fees. So where are they?? we all pay our membership and apart from other issues I feel this one need their direct attention. If the NRA started here in Australia no one would join the SSAA however as the closest alternative and as a member I find this and other issues ever frustratiing with their lack of concern or action. WA needs to take up a protest to the SSAA , monitor and publish their results and then just mabey they will get of their ass and support us more.
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Post by bm777 » 27 Aug 2014, 1:39 pm

1290 wrote:Funny think is what Mazza means in Italian (probably dialect).....


Mazza means club..as in golf club (driver, irons, etc) or can also mean the club that cavemen used to get their women into their cave....
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Post by bm777 » 27 Aug 2014, 1:44 pm

Bark wrote:I'd just like to see a few more wins for the sport and a few less advertisements in a magazine.

When was the last "victory" the SSAA can claim for shooters?

Seriously... I want to know if someone can tell me.


Mate, I absolutely agree with you. Also if they do something they only publish it on the magazine...Nothing like preaching to the choir! We pay you to represent us, do your effing job and provide assertive support, ya bunch of pew-warmers... :evil:
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Post by Bark » 27 Aug 2014, 4:02 pm

bm777 wrote:Nothing like preaching to the choir! We pay you to represent us, do your effing job and provide assertive support, ya bunch of pew-warmers... :evil:


It's just a business now as far as I can see... Running ranges and printing a magazine to pay salaries.

Bugger all industry and member representation.

In my observations.
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Post by Shotfox » 28 Aug 2014, 9:55 am

Bark wrote:
bm777 wrote:Nothing like preaching to the choir! We pay you to represent us, do your effing job and provide assertive support, ya bunch of pew-warmers... :evil:


It's just a business now as far as I can see... Running ranges and printing a magazine to pay salaries.

Bugger all industry and member representation.

In my observations.


You are correct bark. If the SSAA were fair dinkum they would publish their agenda for the year, update progress on that agenda regularly and report , detail a performance review on the SSAA as a whole which includes local issues (EG fees in WA), get membership feedback, review issue outcomes and lesson learned . BUT what do we get - A magazine full of advertising, top brass oponions, one or two boring stories and a gun review. The ssaa have lost the plot focusing on community based agendas which wont upset the green movement. Come on SSAA lets see some real action in our magazine with issues relating to shooting in this country.
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Post by FuzzyM » 28 Aug 2014, 11:25 am

Hmmmm, I am currently trying to decide if I should join the SSAA or not. Still no closer to deciding :?
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Post by 1290 » 28 Aug 2014, 1:36 pm

FuzzyM wrote:Hmmmm, I am currently trying to decide if I should join the SSAA or not. Still no closer to deciding :?


For the hunting insurance and monthly toilet reading..... it's worth it IMHO
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Post by FuzzyM » 28 Aug 2014, 2:29 pm

Planning on heading out to little river when the .223 is paid off, so there is $15 I would save with a membership I suppose.
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Post by Morro » 28 Aug 2014, 3:09 pm

There was a big conference involving major stakeholders and the NSW FAR recently and the Aus Pistol Assoc had a lot to say to defend the target shooting sport disciplines that were under serious threat of sanctions in line with the Greens agenda. Guess who sat quietly when support was needed at the critical time then took accolades for winning the argument for the shooters?
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Post by flymy » 29 Aug 2014, 1:49 pm

FuzzyM wrote:Hmmmm, I am currently trying to decide if I should join the SSAA or not. Still no closer to deciding :?

Have you given any thought to joining Shooters Union Australia ,that's what I did and gave SSAA the rrss
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Post by veep » 30 Aug 2014, 11:02 am

FuzzyM wrote:Planning on heading out to little river when the .223 is paid off, so there is $15 I would save with a membership I suppose.


That'll do it then. If you go to the range 5+ times a year it pays for itself anyway.
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Post by jennageit » 30 Aug 2014, 11:27 am

After reading through all of these posts, I'm no closer to deciding where to put my money either.

I was thinking FGA or SSAA, but I'm not sure it's worth it for me anymore.

Being on a tight budget, I've probably picked one of the worst hobbies, as I will be shelling out just over $500 in license and club membership fees, and that's without any gear.

I'm a member of ACA, not H&FP, but I've pretty much had it with all politicians. Do they actually do anything for us any more?

Can anyone tell me the benefits (in a way I can understand - I'm blonde, remember) of joining SSAA or FGA?
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Post by scrolllock » 01 Sep 2014, 12:07 pm

For the SSAA you get discounted range fees as discussed.

$30 for non members or $15 for members, so if you're going to an SSAA range more than 5 times a year its worth it.

And from their website:

As a financial member of SSAA, you are entitled to public liability and personal accident insurance while enjoying your firearms
or archery sports.
• Public liability coverage is under the SSAA Group Liability policy for legal liability to third parties for bodily injury and/or property damage caused by negligence in the field, at a range, or while providing conservation work. Limit of liability is $20 million for any one claim. Cover excludes professional hunting.


That's kind of good peace of mind IMO. Up to you though.

No idea about FGA.
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