Muzzle loaders

[on_one_wheel]

Seriously concidering getting a muzzle loader for a bit of fun and something different. They are also apparantly great training for reinforcing the need for follow through. I am yet decided on flintlock or caplock but am looking at a Lyman deerstalker in 50cal. http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/muzz ... -rifle.php Has anyone here got a muzzle loader, any advice on makes ?

[Aster]

A mate of mine was mad on them for a while, endless trouble with flint locks though.

He had quite frequent hang fires, or failures to fire with them. Little bit of moisture and it went downhill quick.

He's given it up now but switched to percussion caps and never had an issue.

[AusC]

Flint is fussy to get right, but once you've got the hang of it it's not too bad.

If you want trouble free shooting thought, caplock is the way to go.

[Hardcast]

Yep I agree,

Although my favorite is a Flinter, I prefer the percussion caps.

If you think you might want to hunt a bit with it, the .50 Deerstalker is a good option because they will fire the minnie well.
With the minnie ball, there is no need for a lubed patch as in round ball, so one less thing to get right.
I honestly think flint lock is best left alone untill you have some experience with the whole deal. It's different.
Setting the flint, knowing a good flint from a s**ty one, learning how to keep the frizzen clean etc..
It's an art. Watching a good flint lock shotgunner in action is worth while.
Then if you like black powder, you can have both.

Where are you in S.A. send me a PM, if you not too far away I can give you some practice.

[Khan]

.50 cal black powder rifle must make a hell of a bang?

[Wobble]

Shame you're not in WA.

There is the Perth Muzzle Loading Club which have muzzleloading state Championships.

Must be a similar club in SA somewhere though, similar event? That'll be the place to learn a tonne.

[feedr]

.50 cal black powder rifle must make a hell of a bang?

Must kick like a mother too.

[Weepy]

Must kick like a mother too.

Muzzle brake on a black powder loader kind of ruins the charm though

[Noisydad]

Front stuffers are a hundred tons of fun! You wont be sorry but be warned - the slippery slope that you're about to step onto is a quick ride to the dark side!

[feedr]

You wont be sorry but be warned - the slippery slope that you're about to step onto is a quick ride to the dark side!

Not sure if that's a recommendation or not

[bawoog]

That huge ploom of glowing smoke when you fire a muzzle loader does bring up some childish thrill I reckon

[on_one_wheel]

Thank you for your fantastic replies people, it has helped to make my mind up between flint and cap, I'm going for the cap (just need to decide between traditional steel or stainless now)

I'm pretty sure there is a black powder club that shoots near me at the Monatro complex, I'll find out when they get together and head out for a look.

Just waiting to hear back from my shop regarding price and lead time... I see them around for $560 for blued and $670 in stainless, but I'd rather shop local if I can.

[AusC]

Post pics once you're up and running

[Noisydad]

Don't you dare get one of those modern stainless "inline" fool things! If you want a modern gun get a modern gun! If you want a muzzle loader then do it properly and get a "traditional" type so you can then come and play "Daniel Boone" with the rest of us kids!

[Aster]

Well that's encouraging Noisy

[on_one_wheel]

Point taken ! Man you blokes make it easy...After all I don't want to be that bloke that everybody is keeping a wide birth from and whispering behind my back " look he's got a stainless muzle loader " lol. I guess its a bit like getting a carbon fibre alloy compisite model T Ford !

[SendIt]

I guess its a bit like getting a carbon fibre alloy compisite model T Ford!

Or those friggen Cobra kits

[on_one_wheel]

Right o, Just heared back from Fishers. It's going to be 4 to 6 months wait.

[Kipper]

Right o, Just heared back from Fishers. It's going to be 4 to 6 months wait.

Bugger.

Going to hang out for one still?

[Hardcast]

Hey one wheel,

Give Allen or Jenny a ring at Green River Rifle Works, here in Adelaide, he has a second hand Euro Arms Plains rifle, which look similar to
the Lyman. $450.00 I think he said. He's the go to man for all your bits and pieces. Being second hand it might come with a stainless Ram rod included.
They're good people to deal with and there is no more well informed Black Powder person in Australia.
Green River... Ph...82933686.

[on_one_wheel]

Cheers Hardcast for the great leed.
I'v got the rest of the week off and will get in touch with them tomorow if I can.

[on_one_wheel]

OK... I laid a deposit on the Euroarms Plains rifle today and picked up a book about muzzle loaders from Allan and Jenny's today. Cheers Hardcast.

[Press]

Cool. When the pickup date

[Hardcast]

Welcome aboard.

Just don't blame me if you end up with half a dozen B/P rifles, guns and pistols.

Offer still goes if you want to have a go one day.

[Noisydad]

Not only will you end up withhalf a dozen BP rifles, guns and pistols but you'll find yourself learning leather work, bullet and ball casting, dress ups, wood work, Youtube trawling, metal machining, making a new safe.....I told you - it's a slippery slope your on now!

[SendIt]

Get out while you still can

[Beau Nottage]

Just going off what Ive heard is that the best of the best flintlocks aren't nearly as reliable as a cheapest percussion rifles, in terms of what happens when you pull the trigger, not accuracy so much though

[Hardcast]

No, no, no young man, you are very ill informed.

They are an art, that's for sure, but a well tuned Flint lock in the hands of a good shooter, can quite easily win a Clay pidgeon shoot
up against Percusion locks.
I think it was 'Mythbusters" who showed the two different rifles side by side fired simultaneously, and the impact on
the target was almost identical.

Biggest problem is more likely too many people wanting a Daniel Boon style rifle but not interested in getting proper tutoring.
All locks can be 'tuned' just like modern rifles.
My opinion is to start with a Percusion, then go to a Flint when you've had plenty of B/P practise.
Pedersoli, supply both locks with at least two of their models. (the Kentucky and the Alamo). I had one, fantastic rifle.

Carry on men.

[dustin]

I've gotta get off this forum. Makes me want to buy too many guns

[Hardcast]

Don't be weak dustin,
get into a shop tomorrow and get another one.