And so it Begins... SMH opens up on the Gun Lobby

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Post by wanneroo » 15 May 2018, 4:30 am

Well hopefully Australian gun owners have learned that all these big government people want is total control and to do it they need all guns out of the hands of citizens. I think many Australians thought that after Port Arthur and all the new laws that it would be the last they would hear of it, but no, that's the not the way it works. Us in the USA fight this all the time at the local, state and federal level.
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Post by PaddyT » 15 May 2018, 8:25 am

bentaz wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:
PaddyT wrote:The tragedy is WA is simply awful.


I know this is most likely a typo, but from all reports if you're a gun owner, it sounds about right.

Lol!


Yeah it was a typo but from what i understand of the laws in WA im glad im not there! Despite the fact that I like WA as a place :D
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Post by bullzeye » 15 May 2018, 12:47 pm

LAFOs are some of the most responsible people in the community.

Of course there are always a few bad eggs in any bunch. But why punish us all when 99.9% of us do nothing wrong.

Usual left wing hippy BS, like usual.
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Post by Daddybang » 15 May 2018, 5:41 pm

bentaz wrote:https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/premier-police-defend-gun-laws-in-wake-of-margaret-river-tragedy-20180513-p4zf1p.html
Some common sense from the WA gov and police so far is a good sign!



Yep as much as it annoys me to say it the political and police response to this tragedy seems to be well balanced and commonsense based :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by Daddybang » 15 May 2018, 6:23 pm

I just find it annoying that they are capable of looking at firearms in a fair and reasonable manner but all too often they choose not to!! :lol: :drinks:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 15 May 2018, 7:25 pm

Good response from the police, but the reporter still managed to conflate the number of guns owned with the chance of becoming a mass murderer by pointing out that both Peter Miles and Stephen Paddock owned more than one firearm.
One thing we forget sometimes is that the police don't enact the discriminatory laws they are employed to enforce, and have little discretionary ability in many cases.
Then there is the fact that, being people, some of them are just cunning stunts.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 16 May 2018, 8:35 am

bentaz wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:Good response from the police, but the reporter still managed to conflate the number of guns owned with the chance of becoming a mass murderer by pointing out that both Peter Miles and Stephen Paddock owned more than one firearm.
One thing we forget sometimes is that the police don't enact the discriminatory laws they are employed to enforce, and have little discretionary ability in many cases.
Then there is the fact that, being people, some of them are just cunning stunts.

More and more though the police are influencing or at least trying to influence the laws!


Those would be the cunning stunts to which I refered, who aren't doing so because they are rozzers but because they are just c**ts.
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Post by pedro4977 » 17 May 2018, 6:44 pm

Spot on Paddy T but,
He’s most likely a vegan cyclist who doesn’t own a car.
He wouldn’t know how to operate a mower most likely or has issues with petrol mowers or pays someone to mow his lawn.
He is obviously to stupid to be a prostitute.
As far as using him having a penis, that sounds debatable. If he did I don’t think he’d have any balls to go with it.
People like this are to be ignored and be pittied. It’s not his fault his parents were breeding from a limited gene pool.
He’s just a crow on a slaughter yard fence
You can’t legislate against ignorance, stupidity or an opinion made up of both!
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 17 May 2018, 7:24 pm

Just watching The Drum on ABC24, surprise surprise, the murdering bastard Peter Miles, who annihilated his entire family was a serial domestic violence perpetrator.
As we have all known from the start, this is a violent bastard issue, not a firearm issue.
The worthless f**kbag that commited this atrocity, Peter Miles, even composed violent , abusive "poetry" to intimidate his daughter.
Well past time those in power focus on the the perpetrator and not the tool.
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Post by Southpaw » 17 May 2018, 10:38 pm

You know how there’s all the other news stories at the bottom of the article? This one was at the bottom of his.
In the words of that song “isn’t it ironic, don’t you think?”
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Post by Heckler303 » 26 May 2018, 4:23 pm

That was a garbage-truck fire of an article.

Urban gun owners should not be allowed to hold their weapons in houses in the suburbs and the sale quantity of ammunition should be highly regulated. Guns should be held in a secure lock-up in a police station and the gun enthusiast must provide two weeks’ notice of intention to use the gun, with details of where and with whom they will go with the weapon. They would pick up the weapon on the morning it is required and return it within seven days. No non-farmer should be allowed to own more than one firearm.


Oh look at Mr Authoritarian here. I don't think he understands the concept of private property. Why do they feel the need to dictate what I can and can't own?

Anyone, especially someone like us as law abiding licensed gun owners should be able to keep our guns locked up in our own homes, not centralized in one place for crooks to steal at will. This w@nker is so out of touch with reality that its laughable.
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Post by grandadbushy » 26 May 2018, 7:35 pm

Yeah bentaz and I can't wait till they all go broke I haven't read a newspaper since my son drove his Toyota over the side of a mountain
they reported all sorts of things that caused the accident and none of it was true even wrong location all this was done minutes after we were
told he may not survive ( thankfully he did )
This whole gun debate will always raise its ugly head when some poor person or peoples have had a horrible and sad happening in their life
Unfortunately that's the nature of the beast when you have bias media and anti gun lobby that couldn't lay straight in bed if they tried
I don't know the answer to it all but have a few thoughts like try and get someone to video range shoots and try and get it out to the public more
show the fence sitters that guns aren't the demons the anti's make them out to be and you can have fun with them
Once you get them to try it they are hooked, or have the ranges to have a youth day for learners and their parents or have a member bring a
newby in for a shoot
I suppose most have thought of this but I thought I would put it out anyway
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Post by magnum56 » 11 Jun 2018, 6:28 pm

PaddyT wrote:So- let me get this right- according to this article- I own a firearm so therefore I am a mass murderer in waiting- not to mention ice user, manic depressive etc etc. Well the good news is that I have something in common with Phil West - I have a penis which makes me a potential rapist- Im guessing he has one too so that makes him one too- Oh hang on he might be a trannie- which either makes him a potential rapist OR a potential prostitute- or he might have petrol in his lawnmower which makes him a potential arsonist. Im also guessing he drives a car which makes him a potential road raging maniac. The logic of that article is simply mindbogglingly stupid. The tragedy is WA is simply awful and ultimately probably not preventable . A sad week really.


Unfortunately it is not just uninformed anti gun proponents that try to claim this, last year Queensland LNP Gold Coast MP John Paul Lanbroek stated in the media, that any increase in licensed firearm owner numbers, would equate to a rise in crime, this is another of many examples of how many major party MP's are out of touch with the reality of firearms issues.
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Post by grandadbushy » 11 Jun 2018, 7:09 pm

G;day Magnum56 mate you're dead right and there are the three magic words that the anti gun lobby
should heed and they are ''OUT OF TOUCH''
It's not only the pollies that are out of touch its pretty much all the anti's because they won't sit down and have a rational discussion
on the use of firearms because they have their own agenda's and don't want to see the facts as they are
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Post by magnum56 » 11 Jun 2018, 7:28 pm

grandadbushy wrote:G;day Magnum56 mate you're dead right and there are the three magic words that the anti gun lobby
should heed and they are ''OUT OF TOUCH''
It's not only the pollies that are out of touch its pretty much all the anti's because they won't sit down and have a rational discussion
on the use of firearms because they have their own agenda's and don't want to see the facts as they are


G'day back to ya :thumbsup: Our greatest nemesis is divided into a few areas, negative false exposure via the media and anti gun proponents, lack of positive exposure in getting the facts out to the non shooting community and disunity among ourselves.

There are solutions, if we had the resources to project the facts out to the many voters who are not shooters, the effect of the anti's would be reduced, and more shooters need to get more political, the restrictions and laws are made and changed in parliament, so it is there we need to have our representatives.
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Post by Littlegem » 12 Jun 2018, 4:01 pm

So at no point did he see any tragedys as "oh the farmers need political suppourt or even more mental health suppourt" it was straight to the whole "it wad 110% the guns fault" can you imagine what the persons where put through before snapping and doing what they did in the cases mentioned, at no point does anyone wake up and say I'm going to shoot my kids or whatever. Fair dinkum how about rallying for more suppourt and help in rural communities instead of more blame game
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Post by magnum56 » 12 Jun 2018, 6:55 pm

The anti gun lobby rely on sensation and sound good rhetoric, unfortunately the greater majority of non shooters believe this deliberate misinformation without question, licensed firearm owners are painted in a very negative light, we suffer greatly from a lack of positive exposure, thanks largely to the heavily biased media, following are some facts and points that pretty much dispel the claims of the anti gun brigade.

The common claim that the Howard inspired 96 gun laws, have been responsible for a reduction in gun deaths, is not backed up by statistics, firearm related deaths started to decline during the mid to late 70's, this decline has continued at much the same rate to date, unaltered by the 96 NFA and resulting laws, while firearm related deaths have fallen, there are now many more firearms held by licensed shooters than in 96, this fact actually shows that more firearms in the hands of licensed shooters does not equate to more gun crime and deaths.

In 1979 there were 685 firearm related deaths, such deaths have declined at a steady rate up to 2016, where there were 211 firearm related deaths, by contrast, in 2015, 159,052 people died of various causes, 19,777 of these were from heart disease, in 2016, there were 1,293 people killed as a result of motor vehicles, yet we do not see the same level of media and political coverage of those causes of death that rate far higher than firearms.

In 2014 more than 2800 people committed suicide, this is more than double the national road toll, around 150 of these were committed in the rail corridor, yet we don't see the same level of concern and calls for bans, I am wondering where the media, politicians, Gun Control Australia and the Alana and Madeline Foundation, are when these deaths happen, they jump up and down and call for tighter gun control when 7 people are killed, what about 2,793 deaths, do they not matter, those calling for gun control, seemingly not.

The main point purposefully overlooked by anti gun people is, legal firearms and licensed shooters are involved in a very small percentage of firearm related crime and deaths, yet we see an inordinate amount of resources and funds spent on the regulation of the very people who are not committing the vast majority of crime, licensed shooters, these resources and funds would be better spent targeting criminals.
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Post by PaddyT » 13 Jun 2018, 9:00 am

having just read that a bloke got fined $200 for drinking a beer whilst fishing in WA-my accidental statement that WA is a tragedy looks to be pretty true!
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