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Re: Australian vs US vs China

Post by allthegearandnoidea » 22 May 2020, 11:21 pm

We always like to say we are a lucky country and I am in no doubt I won the lottery at birth to be able to live here but ponder Donald Horne's opening lines to his book The Lucky Country...

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Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.[2]


This was written in the 60's but I reckon still holds true. It's that lack of curiosity and imagination that have led us where we are today. Dig stuff up and sell it. Open your uni enrolments to all comers - easy money. Literally sell off the farm. We have a national business model based on mass immigration to fuel demand and increase govt tax base rather than the tougher task of tax reform and productivity increases

An example of a country with leaders with imagination is Norway which started its oil profits-based sovereign wealth fund in 1990 and currently has assets of over 1 trillion $US

We haven't got a lot to show for 30 years of uninterrupted economic growth. What a squandered opportunity.

As to how we deal with China, I dont know but if youve ever been on an American forum - I'm frequent visitor to several, I'm always amazed at the value Americans put on Made in USA and the premium they will pay to buy American.

Personally cant see manufacturing industries bouncing back on any scale any time soon in Australia. We made our last car engine here in 2017. WE need 2 things we dont have a lot of - skills (RIP TAFE) and cheap energy. Sure we can import skilled workers - there's that lack of imagination again!
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Re: Australian vs US vs China

Post by wanneroo » 23 May 2020, 12:02 am

China is an evil country. It unleashed a virus upon the world which could have been prevented many times over and which has caused significant human and economic destruction. It has millions in concentration camps. It disappears anyone that criticizes the regime. It actively suppresses any sort of free thought or human freedom as it pleases. It enslaves countries around the world with debt and projects they cannot afford. It's working on violating the agreement with the UK over Hong Kong. It has threatened to obliterate Taiwan for the past 70 years. It illegally builds islands out in the South Pacific and harasses shipping in international waters.

In regards to Australia it is seeking to draw the country into it's sphere of influence by hook or by crook. If you do not comply you will pay in one way or another.

China wants to be a big player in the world but the problem is that it is rotten to it's core, much like the USSR. I think covid-1984 has the potential to be China's Chernobyl.
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Re: Australian vs US vs China

Post by Ziege » 23 May 2020, 12:28 am

The CCP shouldn't be encouraged or perpetuated, but pissy little trade restrictions aren't going to hurt them, full global embargoes would crush China in mere days. But war would ensue as they face starvation and complete recession
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Post by womble » 23 May 2020, 5:04 am

It’s also a real opportunity to wipe out communism globally.
And that chance might not come again.
I think their hysterics reflect their panic.
Trump and Putin just need to hash over who gets what and its a sure thing
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Post by Ziege » 23 May 2020, 9:04 am

Womble I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the end of Communism/socialism and all of its fascist greed and corruption gone.
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Post by Bugman » 23 May 2020, 10:26 am

Ziege wrote:Womble I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the end of Communism/socialism and all of its fascist greed and corruption gone.


Totally agree.
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Post by AussieCapitalist » 23 May 2020, 11:46 am

I don't understand how Australia can be the called the "lucky country". I would say QLD was the lucky state years ago but those days are over. This country sucks in a lot of ways.

We cant say what we want
We have zero rights against the government
We cant shoot whatever action we want
We pay a lot of taxes for stupid social programs for lazy people.
Everything costs more here
We don't have concealed carry or castle law
Everything fun is illegal or highly regulated.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 23 May 2020, 1:35 pm

AC can i ask why did you come back? For so much hate of Australia its only recently i found you came back from over there, and it doesn't make sense, either you are a gca stooge trolling us, or infact Australia is better. Otherwise doesn't make sense why you come back.

Unfortunately it's not as easy as Apple pie, to build industry from ground up, and unless we all want to pay triple the price for Australian made, manufacturing is not likely to come back. I mean how many posts i see here of howa love compared to lithgow which are double the price of howa. Even though lithgow is a better rifle?

The unfortunate reality is that we need China to buy our stuff, while we are but a tiny market for them. So they can easily buy Russian coal.. and Russia would love to sell their coal to China. And trying to find a new market for our coal....So say India, Russia would probably be trying their best to sell them coal and with lower wages in Russia it will probably be cheaper to dig it out there than here. And just like us buying the $2 tshirts from kmart everyone wants to save a buck.

This is not a trump or covid19 thread so ill only say while the first known cases are from China, there is no certainty that it originated from China. And while China, Australia controlled the virus other countries couldn't not. This fact reeally doesn't look good on their management (govt). Even third world countries like India, Pakistan, iran have less cases and deaths than some western countries. So whoop is to blame for all these deaths China that gave you the cold...or your management where you kept denying its existence.

And i am going to call bullshot on economic collapse. if you look at the share market its nearly back to last year levels, you look at companies that are allowed to open like coles, petrol stations, construction sites etc everything is going gang busters.

I got a part time worker, he's getting another $550/ fortnight extra from centrelink. I know plenty of kids working 1 or 2 shots at a local shop getting extra 1500/fortnight. House prices are still on the up. I look around and apart from businesses that are forced to close i don't see nothing bad


Honestly it almost feels like a big con job from the governments across the world to control their citizens or some similar bulldust
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Post by TassieTiger » 23 May 2020, 1:48 pm

Retail businesses here are allowed to open full time - yet many are only opening for those 2-3 days to preserve the govt hand outs And ensure they don’t have to contribute to wages...it’s quite unbelievable but it says an awful lot. Money...the root of all evil.
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Post by AussieCapitalist » 23 May 2020, 1:50 pm

Sergeant Hartman wrote:AC can i ask why did you come back? For so much hate of Australia its only recently i found you came back from over there, and it doesn't make sense, either you are a gca stooge trolling us, or infact Australia is better. Otherwise doesn't make sense why you come back.

Unfortunately it's not as easy as Apple pie, to build industry from ground up, and unless we all want to pay triple the price for Australian made, manufacturing is not likely to come back. I mean how many posts i see here of howa love compared to lithgow which are double the price of howa. Even though lithgow is a better rifle?

The unfortunate reality is that we need China to buy our stuff, while we are but a tiny market for them. So they can easily buy Russian coal.. and Russia would love to sell their coal to China. And trying to find a new market for our coal....So say India, Russia would probably be trying their best to sell them coal and with lower wages in Russia it will probably be cheaper to dig it out there than here. And just like us buying the $2 tshirts from kmart everyone wants to save a buck.

This is not a trump or covid19 thread so ill only say while the first known cases are from China, there is no certainty that it originated from China. And while China, Australia controlled the virus other countries couldn't not. This fact reeally doesn't look good on their management (govt). Even third world countries like India, Pakistan, iran have less cases and deaths than some western countries. So whoop is to blame for all these deaths China that gave you the cold...or your management where you kept denying its existence.

And i am going to call bullshot on economic collapse. if you look at the share market its nearly back to last year levels, you look at companies that are allowed to open like coles, petrol stations, construction sites etc everything is going gang busters.

I got a part time worker, he's getting another $550/ fortnight extra from centrelink. I know plenty of kids working 1 or 2 shots at a local shop getting extra 1500/fortnight. House prices are still on the up. I look around and apart from businesses that are forced to close i don't see nothing bad


Honestly it almost feels like a big con job from the governments across the world to control their citizens or some similar bulldust


I came back home because my visa ran out but also because it is home. I don't hate Australia sarge, it just angers me how s**t it is and how it has changed for the worse. I know you know deep down it has changed over the years and is not what it once was. I love QLD and want to live here for the rest of my days. The red dirt and the sugarcane is now in my blood as a first generation son of German immigrants. I would just like to tweak some of the laws to make it more free, safe and enjoyable for everybody.

In America there is a sense of pride for "made in the USA". People are happy to pay more and they actively seek out to buy local. We need that in this country. We need that green/yellow triangle kangaroo on everything.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 23 May 2020, 3:36 pm

I have to say i agree with you on that. I mean it pisses me off how you can but a $2 teeshirt made in Bangladesh which lasts 2 washes or $150 designer shirt which is still made in China.

Or things where government giving out billions of dollars to support a foreign owned car manufacture... but then most govt departments are allowed to buy toyota corolla (cheap imports). And worse even though it's known that the money is being transferred back to US no conditions are placed on the handouts.

On the other hand it also pisses me off as we become obsessed with a particular country's ownership of some farms while no one complains when the farm was sold to US/UK/SA based groups. And even now a huge percentage of farms are owned by us/european interests.

I think China is both good and evil... also i do think we should realise our stature in the world... we are nothing. So just relax and chill, be friends with China and USA, but not make them our enemies.

Be more like NZ, they didn't jump into iraq/Afghanistan, they don't have terrorism, they haven't upset China or USA. they are just themselves. If we were more like them but with a bigger population and economy...we be better than we are now.

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Post by AussieCapitalist » 23 May 2020, 3:53 pm

Alright mate good. We have found some common ground on somethings. This is a good day. :drinks:
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Post by marksman » 23 May 2020, 4:49 pm

" I mean how many posts i see here of howa love compared to lithgow which are double the price of howa. Even though lithgow is a better rifle?"

why do you say the lithgow is a better rifle :unknown:
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Post by Shootin Stuff » 23 May 2020, 5:22 pm

Personally I would be overjoyed if this winter is a lot less nippy than the last.......
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Post by Tiger650 » 23 May 2020, 6:51 pm

The CCP is indeed rotten to the core and hopefully the whole s#itshow will collapse, possibly another Chinese civil war which would be unfortunate but perhaps brief if / when Taiwan becomes involved. .
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The current situation brings to mind Europe circa 1936, it perhaps need not be said that did not end well.
We certainly have no shortage of Neville Chamberlains nor Oswald Mosleys, "our" ABC is the communist Volkischer Beobachter.
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Post by marksman » 23 May 2020, 7:14 pm

Shootin Stuff wrote:Personally I would be overjoyed if this winter is a lot less nippy than the last.......


well said :thumbsup: :lol: l think it goes with the current trend of thought :drinks:

theres a lot being learnt because of the ccp virus, we do not need china and have been manufacturers before and will be again
l was talking to a farmer this morning who has been getting phone calls from a chinese land buyer for 4 years now because he had a 200 acre block up for sale but he wont sell to them and neither will anyone in the area although they offer very good money for it without even seeing it
the majority of people, actually all the people l have contact with are looking very carefully at what they buy trying to get an alternative to anything from china

l dont understand why as a beekeeper ziad you are not annoyed with the cheap chinese imported fake honey that is blended with australian honey then reexported as australian honey which means australia is now considered a high risk country to buy honey from because australian beekeeper’s are receiving an unfair price because it is blended with the chinese fake adulterated syrup. new zealand banned imports and their wholesale price of honey is $12 a kilogram because of imports australian beekeeper’s are being paid as low as $3.10 a kilogram. as a beekeeper you must be aware of this adulterated fake syrup that is hurting the local industry
your also probably aware that capilano LTD, has announced it will sell out and support a take over by a china focused consortium of private investors and that consortium player wattle hill RCH was founded by shrewd chinese businessman mr albert tse (husband of former prime minister kevin rudd’s daughter jessica rudd)

https://www.change.org/p/imported-honey ... u/23555089
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-03/ ... y/10187628

ziad why is it you want to stay friendly with a mob who is killing the industry you are apparently in :unknown:
are you a member of this chinese focused consortium :unknown:
is your real name albert :lol:
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Re: Australian vs US vs China

Post by womble » 23 May 2020, 7:18 pm

I just want to see China liberated by Team America, live on CNN, with a freaking awesome sound track
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 23 May 2020, 7:31 pm

Ohhh you caught me i am actually Chinese....jk

Actually i am 99.9% sure i never said i was a beekeeper. I did say i worked at a university... which is true. I wasn't a dean or head of department. Lol

But i do know about the adulterated honey...aka corn starch from China.
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