NT self defence trial

[alexjones]

NT doing a 12 month trial letting people buy capsicum spray for self defence.

Step in the right direction and hopefully this changes publics perception that personal defence is a basic human right. I want to be able to legally carry my Glock to defend my family.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-11/ ... 1yKTm75SMw

[Wapiti]

When my wife was looking after some EDs in WA, all the Docs and nurses had tiny aerosol capsicum sprays on them. They are so often assaulted by patients. They carry the stuff.
Yes there's police, but they aren't standing around doing protection. When seconds mean life or death they are a half hour away. If you're lucky.

Should be available for everyone. But then again, so should a semi-automatic 9mm with a heap of training.

[No1Mk3]

Pity they didn't extend the same right to a Policeman defending the life of his mate from being stabbed in the neck with a pair of scissors. Hope the trial is a success, all Nurses should be issued with it, seen a few that were assaulted in car parks after working late shifts, and women wanting to go jogging in a park should not have to do so without any recourse to protection.

[bigrich]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

[deye243]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

Simple mandatory minimum 20 years in prison for using one in the commission of a crime.

[No1_49er]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

OK, I think I can see where you're going with this.
Therefore NOBODY is permitted to defend themselves - we have to phone constable plod and he will come (eventually) and help (the corpse??)
Get off the f^kin grass.

[bigrich]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

OK, I think I can see where you're going with this.
Therefore NOBODY is permitted to defend themselves - we have to phone constable plod and he will come (eventually) and help (the corpse??)
Get off the f^kin grass.

not on "the f^cken grass" mate.

this is a forum and debate on issues from all angles and playing devil's advocate is a smart way of looking at things . you've made quite a leap thinking i'm dead set against it , or castle law/personal defence for that matter , which is not where i'm going with this . chill mate . i'm just sayin' these personal defence sprays could be misused . i don't reckon i'm wrong on that either , just applying a bit of common sense

[bigrich]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

Simple mandatory minimum 20 years in prison for using one in the commission of a crime.

absolutely . prison sentences in general for serious crimes are a joke . if murders get a life sentence , it should be life . not 10-12 years with good behaviour . if they had a mandatory prison sentence for these machete wielding idiots of 5 years minimum ya wouldn't see the sort of behaviour we've been seeing

[Wapiti]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

Yes but mate that's the anti - gun argument they use against us too !!!!
Don't fall for it. As has been said above,
If the pathetic self-important judges (don't forget to buy leniency in the judges private rooms) did their jobs with the laws as they are, problem solved.

Prison needs to be a bast@rd of a place, forced hard work to keep fit, not scheming gangs in the yards pumping iron and setting up their next crime when let out for pretending to be rehabilitated.
If I was El Presidente they would be in tents in the desert, wearing pink dresses and behind high razor wire patrolled by commandos with belt fed 7.62.
And breaking rocks with 28lb sledgies.

[bigrich]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

Yes but mate that's the anti - gun argument they use against us too !!!!
Don't fall for it. As has been said above,
If the pathetic self-important judges (don't forget to buy leniency in the judges private rooms) did their jobs with the laws as they are, problem solved.

Prison needs to be a bast@rd of a place, forced hard work to keep fit, not scheming gangs in the yards pumping iron and setting up their next crime when let out for pretending to be rehabilitated.
If I was El Presidente they would be in tents in the desert, wearing pink dresses and behind high razor wire patrolled by commandos with belt fed 7.62.
And breaking rocks with 28lb sledgies.

hey mate , i'm not falling for that side of the argument , just posing the question . i like to look at a situation from all angles .

el presidente hey i like it

[No1Mk3]

The problem I see with the "if it's legal for the public crims will use it too" argument" is that whilst it is illegal for all the crims STILL have access to these things and more. Shooting someone is illegal but crims do it quite a lot, no law will prevent this. Even many years back when I stood on the door in some places I saw OCS spray, stun guns, handguns, knives, knuckledusters, you name it some wags had it.We don't need to increase maximum penalties as a majority of beaks won't apply them but increase the Minimum and take away the Courts ability to bypass them. Do away with time off for good behaviour, sentence to be served, and introduce time ON for bad behaviour.

[womble]

NT government to trial civil rights on a small segment of the population is what i read,

[deye243]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

Simple mandatory minimum 20 years in prison for using one in the commission of a crime.

absolutely . prison sentences in general for serious crimes are a joke . if murders get a life sentence , it should be life . not 10-12 years with good behaviour . if they had a mandatory prison sentence for these machete wielding idiots of 5 years minimum ya wouldn't see the sort of behaviour we've been seeing

How woke of you
For that it should be 20 at least

[bigrich]

The problem I see with the "if it's legal for the public crims will use it too" argument" is that whilst it is illegal for all the crims STILL have access to these things and more. Shooting someone is illegal but crims do it quite a lot, no law will prevent this. Even many years back when I stood on the door in some places I saw OCS spray, stun guns, handguns, knives, knuckledusters, you name it some wags had it.We don't need to increase maximum penalties as a majority of beaks won't apply them but increase the Minimum and take away the Courts ability to bypass them. Do away with time off for good behaviour, sentence to be served, and introduce time ON for bad behaviour.

i agree , i still had to voice the negative opinion of misuse of the spray though . as others have stated it would be a good thing for at risk people like shift working nurses and the elderly . i'll be interested to see how this trial plays out . i was up in darwin a few years ago and in some regards it's like a frontier town from days of old . i found myself at night time on guard like i was when growing up in a rough area of logan qld . in darwin at the pub next door to the hotel i stayed at a drive through attendant was stabbed and died a few months after i was up there.

[bigrich]

Don’t get me wrong fellas I agree with your views on these points, but I can also see that criminals would like the sprays for car jacking and mugging

Simple mandatory minimum 20 years in prison for using one in the commission of a crime.

absolutely . prison sentences in general for serious crimes are a joke . if murders get a life sentence , it should be life . not 10-12 years with good behaviour . if they had a mandatory prison sentence for these machete wielding idiots of 5 years minimum ya wouldn't see the sort of behaviour we've been seeing

How woke of you
For that it should be 20 at least

yes, your quite right, i'm soft

if we draw and quarter car thieves i reckon you'd see a drop in car theft

[deye243]

absolutely . prison sentences in general for serious crimes are a joke . if murders get a life sentence , it should be life . not 10-12 years with good behaviour . if they had a mandatory prison sentence for these machete wielding idiots of 5 years minimum ya wouldn't see the sort of behaviour we've been seeing

How woke of you
For that it should be 20 at least

yes, your quite right, i'm soft

if we draw and quarter car thieves i reckon you'd see a drop in car theft

I wish they would around here small country town and we get about four or five cars nicked a week

[alexjones]

Just because people will misuse something does not mean we should all be penalised. I never went on a mass shooting in Tasmania yet everyday I get fingered for it.

[Wapiti]

The NT is a complete clusterf**k law-wise.
The fact that this trial has been announced is a typical political BANDAID and a con. Sure, the people should be able to defend thermselves and have tools to do it, but this is a band aid on a huge cancer and it will grow underneath it.

We have a hugely successful medical practice in a large town south of Darwin, and the place is a warzone. It isn't the Caucasian business owners, defence personnel and surrounding farmers doing the damage either. We actually run this town from a medical perspective, solely due to my brilliant wife, and have taken all of the patients from the other practices and caused them to shut down because we provide the service they want.
But we are leaving by June 30, and trucking it all back to country Qld and setting up shop there. And the reason for that is because the place is quite frankly, unsafe for good people. Someone else will have to reopen one of the other practices or the hospital ED will be filled with unfortunate everyday people again and the hospital will crash again. Not our problem.
Walk down this reasonably large town's streets, and the shops that aren't closed and boarded up are for sale, and there are very few buyers in the future. In the streets, the houses are up for sale and the residents are desperate to get out of the NT. The only reason this town will continue to survive is the Tindal Airbase, which is expanding fast from all the US Personnel and aircraft now based there, with more to come.

Where are the media showing the public this lawlessness? The ABC interviewed my wife on indigenous health and the REAL reasons they have such terrible health outcomes and inter-family violence and rape and that it's solely self-inflicted (because she is a well-respected indigenous Doctor) on all this and they completely edited and inserted the ABC's doctrine instead of the truth she told. Never again will the scum at the ABC get another chance, and they have tried a few times for comment since, forget it. Because they are there to run an agenda, not the facts. And the stupid public believe it.

And there are trolls online, even here for one pretender, who dare to dribble the line that the ABC is informative and neutral. 24 hours a day they comment from their lounge-room, exercising their right to repeat the bullsh*t and treating the readers like idiots.
The ABC there has already been desperately promoting misinformation there that "First Nations People" will suffer from this trial! Yep, because they cannot behave.

I take the trouble to type all this out for the info of the good members here. You are being conned, and NO WAY will this result in a Castle Doctrine.
You will continue to be bashed and killed, your daughters raped, by the protected class in your own "castle", and arrested if you use a firearm to defend yourself and be judged and found guilty by the ABC and it's brain-dead fanbase.

[Wapiti]

Some of you guys might find this interpretation of the capsicum spray trail in the NT, and the distinct possibility of actually causing more harm than good to the victims relying on it.
It's relevance to defence using firearms is also discussed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tnj1aLaSv4